Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[mrsksomeday]

The only thing about The View is they may be on summer hiatus. The show usually is in reruns for a about a month before the new season starts.

They are back to live shows, they were on the hiatus when Michael Jackson died.

 

[DMRick]

yes, the water wings can just float right off....

We must have a different type of water wings..we slide them on, and then blow them up. They aren't going anywhere. We also don't use them as a life saver, but as a swim aid. My kids started swimming young. The time my infant son went upside down, a life jacket wouldn't have helped..the stupid seat caught, turned over and stayed. It would have done it no matter what. We never used it again, and he did go in a life jacket until he was a good swimmer (we startee lessons at age 2), and then graduated to water wings, as just a little extra help, in case he got tired.

So, yes, I believe that Kate wanted the marriage to end, not Jon. But I still believe that Jon is an idiot for making any other relationship public before he was ready to settle down with somebody else.

JMHO, but I think Kate just has better PR people and they prepare her for interviews very well. But I do agree with you that Jon would have been better off taking the high road here and just issuing a statement to deny anything that was blatantly false. However, for the Team Kate people, that would never have been good enough, I'm sure.

I have no idea which one really wanted the divorce, and I have no idea if Kate was the yeller and so Jon wanted out, or if Kate was the yeller because Jon was,well out of it. I don't think it matters. And no matter which 'team' you are on (it's always been obvious to me, for instance which one you were on, and I'm sure it's vice versa, for this section of the thread, anyway..I used to be on Jon's side until I watched reruns and paid more attention), this is a shame. The ending of a marriage is always a shame. I personally think, if it be because she gets better PR or whatever, that Kate is acting more adult at this time. In any case, I really enjoyed the tent show and I can't wait to see how it goes with Jon.

 

[DMRick]

- who sleeps in the house with the kids when you is there sleeping or doing whatever above the garage?

Maybe the kids are all sleeping at dad's 'house' above the garage while he has them..or it's a fun sleepover, and he uh, needed the babysitter to help

 

[madge]

They are back to live shows, they were on the hiatus when Michael Jackson died.

right. but they'll take another break before Labor Day. They've been building up to Sherri wearing the bathing suit .. and my guess is that they'll take the rest of August off through September 8 or 14.

 

[OhMari]

Honestly, even without the product placement, I would have thought Hersheys, because Hershey bars are all I've ever used to make Smores.

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Try Nestle Crunch Bars, I couldn't find the Hersey bars in the store, and my son grabbed nestle crunch, but you have to buy the skinny one. They are so good. Which dd's asked Kate for another marshmellow, and Kate whispered to her, "you are going to puke". That's me,

 

[WaltD4Me]

So Radaronline finally has produced the pictures of the woman in the red dress.

So does Jon not sleep in the big house when it is his turn with the kids?

I'm so shocked by the woman in the red dress at the house I honestly don't know what to say.

He is with the kids for 3 days and he can't wait to get back to his new bachelor pad to have a woman over? He has to go out until 3am and bring her back to the house? Wonder what kind of quality time the kids got with their very tired and possibly hung over dad? He is absolutely disgusting.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

Maybe Kate is just smarter than Jon. But probably she has better PR people too

There is the possibility that Kate did tell Jon she wanted a divorce or that their relationship was over first. But it could have been in the heat of an argument, it could have been in an attempt to get Jon to see how serious the situation was for her. In one of the People mag articles, Kate eluded to the idea that Jon was never happy/satisfied with his life. She bascially said this was a continuing problem in their marriage. I think the number of jobs Jon has supports that idea. She may have been fed-up and willing to say anything to get his butt in motion.

 

[redrosesix]

We must have a different type of water wings..we slide them on, and then blow them up. They aren't going anywhere. We also don't use them as a life saver, but as a swim aid. My kids started swimming young. The time my infant son went upside down, a life jacket wouldn't have helped..the stupid seat caught, turned over and stayed. It would have done it no matter what. We never used it again, and he did go in a life jacket until he was a good swimmer (we startee lessons at age 2), and then graduated to water wings, as just a little extra help, in case he got tired.

I think we're talking about the same kind, but most people blow them up and then put them on (so I guess they would fit more loosely than the way you do it). All the kid has to do to get them off is jump in with their hands up in the air.

I have no idea which one really wanted the divorce, and I have no idea if Kate was the yeller and so Jon wanted out, or if Kate was the yeller because Jon was,well out of it. I don't think it matters. And no matter which 'team' you are on (it's always been obvious to me, for instance which one you were on, and I'm sure it's vice versa, for this section of the thread, anyway..I used to be on Jon's side until I watched reruns and paid more attention), this is a shame. The ending of a marriage is always a shame. I personally think, if it be because she gets better PR or whatever, that Kate is acting more adult at this time. In any case, I really enjoyed the tent show and I can't wait to see how it goes with Jon.

Actually, if I had to choose a side, I'd say I'm on the non-tabloid side. It's just that most of the articles these days are about Jon. FTR, I don't believe that Kate had an affair with the bodyguard either.

It just really bothers me that the tabloids can get away with saying anything they want, and all they have to do is say a "source" told them. The number of stories in the past few months that have since proven to be false is staggering -- remember the alleged engagement to Deanna? So, now they have a picture of a girl in a red dress looking out the door of the house -- supposedly this was taken at 7:15 when Jon was in the house, and there's no way to prove that it was or wasn't. Heck, it could have been taken a week ago when Kate was in the house.

So, for me to believe a story it has to have a named source who does not later come out and deny the story, and/or for Jon or Kate to confirm the story, and/or pictures that couldn't be construed in any other way eg. the pictures of Jon and Hailey holding hands. Believe me, I would come as quickly to Kate's defense if these types of articles were being written about her.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

It just really bothers me that the tabloids can get away with saying anything they want, and all they have to do is say a "source" told them.

What irritates me more than tabloids writing anything they want is people who believe it. I'm always amazed that people can see the hidden agenda even when it is an easy to see as money--like the tabloids.

 

[newtodis]

I guess it's time for Jon to tell his side of the story. I'm glad he didn't go to People, they are obviously Team Kate.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/content/cover/img_cover_large.jpg

That's a weird picture of Jon!

I can't wait to see the scans ...

the 45 days of silence must be over!

Can't wait to see them either actually....

It's gonna get nasty now if the time's up!

Huh? Why would you only half believe them? Because they didn't sound like they were rooting for Team Kate?

So, yes, I believe that Kate wanted the marriage to end, not Jon.

I think Kate just has better PR people and they prepare her for interviews very well. However, for the Team Kate people, that would never have been good enough, I'm sure.

The first part was pretty insulting...I personally only believe about half - if that much - of the tabloid stuff until someone can actually proove the details - on Kate or Jon's side. I'm leaning way more towards Kate just because of the dumb stuff Jon's done but that doesn't mean you can just say whatever you want about that person.

I don't think it matters who wanted the marriage to end. From what was shown in the media - both on the show and in the magazines - that he was the one who wanted out. Now that could be Kate playing the victim or whatever....I feel like he was the one who wanted out personally. I think if that's how Jon was behaving, they'd both want the marriage to end for both of their sakes.

Pre-divorce/seperation/whatever, shouldn't J&K both have had the same reps for things like that? And if not or either felt like they weren't getting "their share", they should have spoken up if not for themselves, for their spouse. JMHO You can't be someone's victim unless you let that person make you one sometimes....

You make your mind up about somebody after one tabloid article and some pictures that don't prove anything about anything? No wonder tabloids sell so well -- not only are people buying the stories they write, but they're reading soooooo much more into them.

Yikes! I don't think anyone based their whole opinion on one picture from a magazine. With the past couple of month's history, that picture is just one in a string of "situations" that doesn't look favorable on Jon's side....

As for the tabloids, I don't buy them - I will occasssionally pick them up while waiting in line or skim through them if they're posted here....

Now back to discussing the topic at hand - who sleeps in the house with the kids when you are there sleeping or doing whatever above the garage?

That would be nice to know!

 

[DMRick]

So, for me to believe a story it has to have a named source who does not later come out and deny the story, and/or for Jon or Kate to confirm the story, and/or pictures that couldn't be construed in any other way eg. the pictures of Jon and Hailey holding hands. Believe me, I would come as quickly to Kate's defense if these types of articles were being written about her.

I think most of us agree with this. That said, often times there is a hint of truth to these articles. Many celebrities have successfully sued the tabloids, but other's seem to just let them ride and enjoy the free press (not at all meanign just J & K..many celebrities). I've often wondered why more don't sue, unless there is a bit of truth in the article. Who knows, Jon may have told his little friend he loved her and talked marriage, (you know, to get the milk!) and she may be the source. She's so young, she may have believe him.

 

[barkley]

Maybe Kate is just smarter than Jon. But probably she has better PR people too

There is the possibility that Kate did tell Jon she wanted a divorce or that their relationship was over first. But it could have been in the heat of an argument, it could have been in an attempt to get Jon to see how serious the situation was for her. In one of the People mag articles, Kate eluded to the idea that Jon was never happy/satisfied with his life. She bascially said this was a continuing problem in their marriage. I think the number of jobs Jon has supports that idea. She may have been fed-up and willing to say anything to get his butt in motion.

i think the whole issue of the number of jobs jon has had and somehow tieing it into any kind of long term unhappiness he may have had/has with his life is a difficult leap to make.

we (the public) don't know what his work history was like before kate became pregnant with the sextuplets. their side of the story from day one was that he was fired from the job he held when she became pregnant because the employer did'nt want to provide them with insurance. the employer did'nt comment for several years and only in the past year or so publicly said jon was fired for cause relating to improper use of work time primarily for issues surrounding seeking donations and sponsorship funds for the sextuplets. the gosselins were vocal in their initial statements but have never countered this person's claims. had jon been fired for the insurance reason in the first place he could have pursued a wrongful termination back then-there have been long standing questions of why he did'nt take up offers of free legal representation to pursue it. in light of the employer's recent public comments, if they are untrue jon could easily pursue a slander lawsuit for it tarnishing his professional reputation. we've seen neither happen so job #1's ending seems to be related to BOTH of their choices in family size. the second job we know of is the one he held at the governor's office-both jon and kate have always said that jon quit that job so he could be with the family full time (and as i recall kate was thrilled about it because this was back when they claimed there was no outside childcare help). so job #2 ends because both of them choose for it to. we don't know what happened to job #3-that was for beth's husband. kate talked enthusiasticly about how it would allow for jon to spend even more time with the family (which i would find offputting as an employer-how does someone go from being unemployed to employed and end up with more free time), and then we hear nothing more about it-just a very apparant disappearance of beth and her family from the show and an announcement that jon has decided to go into buisness for himself. so job #3 is up in the air as to how it ended. we've never heard what jon's own buisness is or that it's not still in place but kate was enthusiastic about that one too-saying it was better for all of them because jon could work the hours around their family needs.

so all we know about are the jobs jon held during kate's pregnancy and post birth. 4 jobs-2 gone for sure because of issues related to their family. 2 taken to facilitate the family. we don't know if he had a solid long term job history before they married or before they learned she was pregnant with that many children.

i'm in no way defending jon's recent actions but the public is only aware of what has transpired employment wise with him during a portion of their marriage. it may not be that he was'nt always unhappy with his life-it may be that he was unhappy with what his life had become-what their life and marriage had become. he was vocal in his desire to stop doing the show-how do we know that their contractual obligations were'nt what was preventing him from getting his butt in motion and pursuing other employment or education (either would be difficult at best to work around what seems to be a very hectic life of filming and personal appearances balanced with taking care of that many children)? but kate was adamant the show would continue-and i think most if not all of us who are married can agree that if one spouse is unwilling to make concessions and facilitate and support the other spouse when they want to embark on a new job or returning to school it becomes an uphill battle.

jon IS making stupid decisions but to me it looks allot like he is doing what i've seen allot of other divorcing men AND women do, esp. those who married fairly young-picking up where they left off. kate has always said that jon was the wild one in their early relationship (and tellingly she's admitted that appealed to her at the time). she's said he was rather unfocused and not good at planning things out. he was dating another girl when he entered into his relationship with kate. it looks to me like history is repeating itself.

hopefully for everyone concerned it's a phase-and he will get grounding that can lead him to make solid decisions for the sake of his children.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

There is the possibility that Kate did tell Jon she wanted a divorce or that their relationship was over first. But it could have been in the heat of an argument, it could have been in an attempt to get Jon to see how serious the situation was for her. In one of the People mag articles, Kate eluded to the idea that Jon was never happy/satisfied with his life. She bascially said this was a continuing problem in their marriage. I think the number of jobs Jon has supports that idea. She may have been fed-up and willing to say anything to get his butt in motion.

It also could of been because she was fed up with his childish playboy ways. Feeling hurt and betrayed she may have blurted out that she wanted a divorce. Couple that with his supposed refusal to discuss the problems and what is left.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

i think the whole issue of the number of jobs jon has had and somehow tieing it into any kind of long term unhappiness he may have had/has with his life is a difficult leap to make.

I really wasn't trying to make a leap...Kate has bascially said Jon hasn't found himself. Also, another job was mentioned in the kitchen episode. By my count that is 5 jobs in 10 years. That is more than my husband...who only recently "found himself." I think many men's identity is very tied to their jobs.

I agree that Kate wants to the show to go on but this may be a contract issue. I'm not sure TLC would have been against him going back to school or getting another job--it would merely have been one more "angle" for the story. One more thing on the family's plate.

One thing I'm sure about is that is a weird picture of Jon on the recent magazine. Also, if Jon really wants out of the lime-light why does he care that Kate is using the kids to get more airtime. I'm also sure that his statement that nothing is the way it seems is probably so true.

 

[DMRick]

so all we know about are the jobs jon held during kate's pregnancy and post birth. 4 jobs-2 gone for sure because of issues related to their family. 2 taken to facilitate the family. we don't know if he had a solid long term job history before they married or before they learned she was pregnant with that many children..

I don't think he had a solid long term job before they were married, when he backpacked around Europe after dropping out of college. I don't remember what job he had when they met, but I thought it was a waitering type job. I don't know when he got the IT job that he was fired from for 'stealing time' as his ex boss said in one interview.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I also thought I read that J & K attorney sent a letter to the ex-boss advising him to cease talking about the reason for Jon's firing.

 

[newtodis]

Since Jon & Kate Plus 8 stars Jon and Kate Gosselin announced they were divorcing on June 22, their lives have been turned upside down. Jon's life has become a circus and he's been criticized for partying in St. Tropez and in N.Y.'s Hamptons, and for dating two younger women, Hailey Glassman and tabloid reporter Kate Major. "Things have gotten out of control," Jon tells In Touch in a revealing interview. "Many people think that everything moved too fast, that I was out partying too quickly. But Kate gave up on the marriage last October, and the divorce will be finalized by September 30." Jon, 32, met with In Touch on August 2 in New York to set the record straight about his marriage, his new girlfriend, how all of the drama is affecting his children and why he's tired of being blamed.

What is the biggest difference in your life now, compared to a year ago?

Let's go back to October of last year -- that's when all of this happened. Kate basically came to me out of the blue and said, "I am done. You are going to live your life, and I am going to live my life." I was like, "What?" I didn't really know what was going on. When she said that, I was really upset and nervous.

Why did she want to break up?

I think she initiated the split because she wanted a career. Maybe I wasn't sure what I wanted to do, and she was going to move on regardless. I said, "Are you sure about this?"

Did you want to work it out?

Yes, I asked, "What do I have to do to mend the relationship? What did I do wrong?" I was beating myself up about it. So I read a lot of books about personalities, like The Five Love Languages. Throughout the marriage, I felt like my personality had changed a lot. In December, I went to therapy. I asked Kate to come, but she didn't want to. She said, "If you have a problem, go fix it."

When did you and Kate start living separate lives?

We went to Utah on January 1. On January 12, she flew back with security and I stayed. That's when I started to just hang out and meet people, and feel free. Not too many girls, just with my guy friends. I couldn't do that for nine years. When I came back on the 17th, Kate and I weren't talking. So I just said, "I'm moving out of the house," and that was it.


What was your first relationship?

Hailey -- it started around May. She is the polar opposite of Kate. It's really different. I feel good about myself and people see my good qualities. I'm not being put down. If I want to go out with my friends, Hailey says, "Oh, go out." I'm not used to that. I was used to, "No, no, it's your fault." Sometimes I ask Hailey permission, like I used to do with Kate, and she says, "You don't have to ask permission." I was used to living like that, and now it's like a breath of fresh air. You can have a balanced relationship but also spend time with your friends.

How did you fall in love with Hailey?

We started talking and got along well. I started getting really attracted to her, like, on the phone. She really listened to me and took in what I was saying. Then she came back to her parents' house in May and I went up to see her. We hit it off. It was great. She is amazing.

Kate Major said she was dating you.

I felt like, "Okay, I have a cool new person in New York and we can just go out for dinner." Then it was a conflict of interest with her work. I have always been true to Hailey.

How are the kids handling the split and all of the drama?

Even though they are young, it still hurts them. They can't figure it out. They're like, "Why aren't they together? Why can't you hug her?" The other day, Alexis said, "I want you and Mommy to be home together." And it hurts because it's not going to happen -- and how do you explain that? I just let them know we love them no matter what. It's hard. I feel like I failed them.

When will you introduce Hailey as your girlfriend to the kids?

I think it would have to be after the divorce is finalized. I can't just show up with Hailey. I think we all need a little routine in our lives. Right now, it's helter-skelter. Once there is a routine, we'll start off slowly, like going out to dinner. We are dealing with eight different personalities, and they will each handle it in different ways. They may never be comfortable.


For the full exclusive interview with Jon Gosselin, check out this week's issue of In Touch Weekly, on newsstands now.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/08/05/jon-gosselin-stop-blaming_n_251617.html

 

[newtodis]

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - "Jon & Kate Plus 8" returned to TLC on Monday with two new episodes. In one, Jon managed the renovation of the kitchen cabinets while Kate and the kids go to the beach; in the other, Kate took the kids camping and tried to start a fire by herself.

"Will the demands of outdoor camping be too much for Kate, or will a campout with eight kids prove to be surprisingly fun?" reads the description.

Of all the questions wondered by the millions of "Jon & Kate" viewers, that one is ... yeah ... not on the list.

TLC promotes "Jon & Kate" as a show about better parenting through product placement. But the hefty 4.2 million viewers who tuned in to the premiere wanted to glean tidbits about the parents' adult relationships. The Gosselins know it. The media sure know it. The only party that seems oblivious is TLC.

"The show has always been about the parents' relationship with their children. This is a family show," TLC president Eileen O'Neill recently told television critics.

She did dramatically announce there would be one major change to the series' format. Henceforth, Jon and Kate will be interviewed in separate chairs.

"The iconic couch is gone," she said.

Holy crap -- not the couch!

Whole marriage falls apart, Jon is flying to St. Tropez with a 22-year-old, magazine covers everywhere are focused on every new detail about this shattered family, and TLC ... nervously changes the furniture.

Never before has a reality show demonstrated such an allergic reaction to its own high drama. If this was a bank robbery, "Jon & Kate" producers would be shooting a documentary about the bank's savings account interest rates. ("Sure, we know viewers are interested in the robbery, but this project has always been about savings account interest rates.")

Meanwhile judgmental finger-waggers slam the show, such as the current US Weekly: "Kate's Sad Kids," reads the cover, "Shame on the Gosselins; How the 8 are suffering as Dad humiliates the family and mom keeps using them for fame and money."

OK, hold on. TLC is blessing these kids with a pampered upbringing that few in the world could ever hope to enjoy. It's admittedly a bit embarrassing to have your childhood telecast before you're old enough to understand the consequences, though it seems far from traumatizing, especially in our privacy-is-dead-long-live-the-Internet era.

The perception that the show is somehow bad for the kids could become an issue, however. The Gosselin parents appear to guard much of their own privacy from the cameras, while their kids remain onstage through a difficult period. It's not wrong. It just feels a tad, um, wrong.

Point being: TLC could solve two problems at once by downgrading the amount of time the Gosselin kids are on camera and make "Jon & Kate" more about the grown-ups.

Not saying the kids shouldn't remain a part of the show, but ... perhaps ... less.

It would give many viewers what they want -- a broader and more realistic look at this family -- while clamping down on any criticism that the kids are reality show cannon fodder.

TLC says "this is a family show." But it's also a show about a family.

The family has significantly changed. The show should too.


http://www.reuters.com/article/entertainmentNews/idUSTRE5730Z920090805

 

[figment52]

I really wasn't trying to make a leap...Kate has bascially said Jon hasn't found himself. Also, another job was mentioned in the kitchen episode. By my count that is 5 jobs in 10 years. That is more than my husband...who only recently "found himself." I think many men's identity is very tied to their jobs.

Not to defend Jon but - Has anyone considered that John may have even held this job in while in high school or college and not since the tups were born?

I have friends who had a different job ever summer while in high school and college. They took they for the income at the time and not necessarily as a lifetime choice. Jon may very well have been a assistant of some kind to a contractor during college and picked up a few skills and knowledge that way.

 

[newtodis]

Here's the ending of an article comparing K-Fed to J.Gos:

FINAL VERDICT: Although both men appear to fail in many of the same categories that link them, it appears the biggest loser at the moment is Gosselin. While it's hard to accept K-Fed's ballooning belly or forget his embarrassing stint as a rapper, the recent shenanigans of Gosselin are hard to stomach. In the same way many men's Web sites have announced today is a Megan Fox-free day, there may have to be a future date marked as an anti-Gosselin day.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/gossip/2...ine_vs_jon_gosselin.html?page=1#ixzz0NJwvJnK7