Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[katieam1]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20292198,00.html
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[madge]

I worked at a car dealership in college and we gave the UK basketball coach a free Explorer.

Go Big Blue!

 

[madge]

Okay - his kids are in town (the town he will live in) and he does not spend time with them? Shouldn't he take them to his new place so that they can at least see where Daddy will be when he is not with them? Just show up at the photo shoot and then leave? Sad when the only time you spend with your kids is "job" related.

I haven't checked all the links and such, but I thought I read Jon wasn't at the photo shoot...

maybe it was Kate's turn to have the kids and he'll take them to the apartment when it's his day? we haven't heard the details of their custody arrangement -- maybe if it isn't his turn, he's not allowed to be with them unless it's like the doctor's appointment the other day. (or vice versa, Kate not with them on Jon's day)

 

[redrosesix]

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20292198,00.html
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There's only one thing stated in the article that I don't find plausible -- that he spent time at the doctor's place rather than with one of his brothers -- he did just recently spend time with his mother.

Even if it is all true (which it could be) I think Jon would be the only one to stick by this version of the events. IMO, Kate would never want to look like the bad guy in this divorce, especially publicly eg. her statement re filing for divorce.

If it isn't true, it will be yet another tabloid story that people will forget about (like Jon's supposed engagement to Deanna). If it is true, I think we're going to be in for a very bitter divorce that will be played out endlessly in the press.

I haven't checked all the links and such, but I thought I read Jon wasn't at the photo shoot...

maybe it was Kate's turn to have the kids and he'll take them to the apartment when it's his day? we haven't heard the details of their custody arrangement -- maybe if it isn't his turn, he's not allowed to be with them unless it's like the doctor's appointment the other day. (or vice versa, Kate not with them on Jon's day)

Some divorces are so bitter that the parents never actually see each other again -- kids get 2 birthday parties, 2 Christmases, etc. But other couples get along well enough to share special and important events, although I don't think the courts would ever mandate that in the custody arrangments since it would be impossible to predict how things will change in the next 10 or 15 years I think that when they do share events it's because they make side agreements eg. since July 4th fell on Jon's days, he suggested they spend it together.

A jeweler has supposedly stated the he did sell an engagement ring to Jon while he was in Paris.

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/07/17/jon-gosselin-engaged/

I go back and forth on this one. On one hand, I think Jon has really lost his way and this may very well be true. On the other, this makes no sense at all. Why would a 22 year old party girl want to marry a man with 8 kids?
And why would Jon want to get tied down when he hasn't even gotten untied yet?

exactly! I believe this rumour about as much as I believed he was engaged to Deanna (although the difference here is that Jon and Hailey are actually saying they're dating)

 

[DMRick]

Even if it is all true (which it could be) I think Jon would be the only one to stick by this version of the events. IMO, Kate would never want to look like the bad guy in this divorce, especially publicly eg. her statement re filing for divorce.

If it isn't true, it will be yet another tabloid story that people will forget about (like Jon's supposed engagement to Deanna). If it is true, I think we're going to be in for a very bitter divorce that will be played out endlessly in the press.

Or, if it isn't true Jon may still insist it is, so he won't look like the bad guy. Even if part of it is true, that Kate tossed him, the reason why may not be true. I'm sure there will be three sides..his, hers, and the truth, just like most divorces.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I find it pretty hard to believe. If she liked her life so much she would realize the best way to keep was to keep Jon not kick him out. Their bread and butter was a couple who were working together to manage 8 kids.

Yeah, I don't think I buy the reported seriousness of Jon and Hailey. Of course either way it works out he can probably kiss his friendship with the Glassmans good-bye.

Not to be too crass or morbid, but Hailey doesn't seem the type to play stepmom to 8 kids. And, she needs to think--if she marries him, she is one car wreck away from fulltime mom of 8. I'm sure she would run for the hills.

 

[redrosesix]

Or, if it isn't true Jon may still insist it is, so he won't look like the bad guy. Even if part of it is true, that Kate tossed him, the reason why may not be true. I'm sure there will be three sides..his, hers, and the truth, just like most divorces.

Absolutely!

I think the part about them being "separated" for a year is probably true, but who did the tossing is anyone's guess.

But this is the first time People has done a pro-Jon article. Funny how it comes out just days after Jon met with the reporter from Star.

So...just out of curiosity, would anybody's opinion of how Jon has acted in the past few months if the entire story were true? I think it would change my views A LOT.

 

[DMRick]

So...just out of curiosity, would anybody's opinion of how Jon has acted in the past few months if the entire story were true? I think it would change my views A LOT.

I think no matter what or how this happened, Jon has not given much thought to what his kids could see on the rag mags. The fact that Jon is dating is no big deal to me, since he is now legally separated. The picture op's has provided, which could hurt his children if they see them, is what makes him a jerk in my eyes. He could very well have kept his girlfriends under wraps until some time had gone by.

Plus, if his good friends the Glassman's had given him a place to go (and why go to that place, when there must be a number of places he could go? I'm guessing there was already something going on with him and Hailey), I'm pretty sure they didn't expect their daughter to be holding his hand and traveling with him. Make's him a bigger jerk IMO.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I probably wouldn't think he is as much of a "dog" or "pig" (sorry PETA). But I would kind of think that Kate had reached a frustration level with his consistent unhappiness. I just go back to something she said about Jon never being happy and that she had offered many fixes but it always came back to him wanting her to make him happy...not an exact quote but pretty close.

I suspect that they have suffered a bit from what many marriages do and that is the "roles" you take on in the beginning are often the thing that is resented later. Like Jon was young and laid-back so it didn't bother him that Kate was bossy. As years go on, it is the same quality that bothered him. I think it is one of the hardest struggles in a marriage.

 

[DMRick]

I probably wouldn't think he is as much of a "dog" or "pig" (sorry PETA). But I would kind of think that Kate had reached a frustration level with his consistent unhappiness. I just go back to something she said about Jon never being happy and that she had offered many fixes but it always came back to him wanting her to make him happy...not an exact quote but pretty close.

I suspect that they have suffered a bit from what many marriages do and that is the "roles" you take on in the beginning are often the thing that is resented later. Like Jon was young and laid-back so it didn't bother him that Kate was bossy. As years go on, it is the same quality that bothered him. I think it is one of the hardest struggles in a marriage.

You put this well!

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

Thanks! I married a laid-back, party boy who decided to grow-up 10 years into our relationship. Suddenly, he started to complain that I made all the important decisions. This was quite a surprise to me! It took me awhile to negotiate a new normal. I remember being really shocked when he offered to call and have the ultilites turned on when we were moving (always me job)!

I'm not sure we would have made it if we had 8 kids and a couple of million dollars thrown into the mix! But I would like to give the couple of million dollars a try

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

The truth is most likely somewhere in the middle of what Jon and Kate both say. Who are all these "sources" that keep commenting about these people?

I don't believe that suddenly Kate was just done with Jon for no reason. For now...Kate's version makes more sense to me. I think Jon got the attorney first and told her she better do the same because he was the one that was done.

The vow renewal obviously didn't work, Kate was into it and Jon was not. The bigger house didn't work. They traveled together to do interviews and Jon didn't like that so he stayed home. Then he didn't like just staying home. Kate stated that they tried several things to bring Jon happiness. In my opinion, it is all part of the mid life crisis he seems to be going thru. Jon is searching for something to make him happy and he is looking in all the wrong places.

 

[WaltD4Me]

So...just out of curiosity, would anybody's opinion of how Jon has acted in the past few months if the entire story were true? I think it would change my views A LOT.

No it wouldn't change my views all that much. Even if Kate was the one to kick him out, I still think he isn't thinking much of the kids. Going out and partying while Kate was gone when he was with the kids, moving to New York so soon, posing all over St. Tropez with Hailey, knowing his picture would be on magazine covers that the kids could/would see, ect....so even if the People story is all true, I would still think the way he has been acting is selfish and immature and that he needs to grow up and stop only thinking of himself.

 

[MM27]

I haven't checked all the links and such, but I thought I read Jon wasn't at the photo shoot...

maybe it was Kate's turn to have the kids and he'll take them to the apartment when it's his day? we haven't heard the details of their custody arrangement -- maybe if it isn't his turn, he's not allowed to be with them unless it's like the doctor's appointment the other day. (or vice versa, Kate not with them on Jon's day)

I don't remember which article I read this in yesterday, but it said that Jon went later to the photo shoot. I wonder if they had him go by himself after Kate and the kids left. They said that he was still moving things into his apartment in the morning and apparently spent some time in Central Park.

 

[torinsmom]

No it wouldn't change my views all that much. Even if Kate was the one to kick him out, I still think he isn't thinking much of the kids. Going out and partying while Kate was gone when he was with the kids, moving to New York so soon, posing all over St. Tropez with Hailey, knowing his picture would be on magazine covers that the kids could/would see, ect....so even if the People story is all true, I would still think the way he has been acting is selfish and immature and that he needs to grow up and stop only thinking of himself.

I don't care if she "kicked him out". My ex has always said I kicked him out as well. Never mind that he was out til 2-3am every weekend and came back drunk smelling like other women. Never mind that he did not speak to me. Never mind that he was spending our money on things we could not afford, like fancy cowboy boots and drinks at the bar. Yes, I finally said, "We need to get help for our marriage or you need to leave." He laughed and said there was nothing wrong with him, it was all me. So he left.

Something similar could have happened with Jon and Kate. He was living it up with young ladies and making her look like a fool. She probably gave him an ultimatum and he chose to leave rather than give up his little girls and partying. JMHO

Marsha

 

[redrosesix]

No it wouldn't change my views all that much. Even if Kate was the one to kick him out, I still think he isn't thinking much of the kids. Going out and partying while Kate was gone when he was with the kids, moving to New York so soon, posing all over St. Tropez with Hailey, knowing his picture would be on magazine covers that the kids could/would see, ect....so even if the People story is all true, I would still think the way he has been acting is selfish and immature and that he needs to grow up and stop only thinking of himself.

I thought of this too, but then realized that all of these issues came up in the last few months ie. if it really had been a year since they "separated" and he was beyond miserable just trying to keep up appearances for the sake of a show he no longer wanted to do and to still have some time with his kids, I can see him indulging every other whim, like getting earrings for example. Drinking more and partying -- yes, I could definitely see that happening. OT, but the guy who bought the house across the street from me did so because his wife left him and his teenage son. One week he thought he was happily married, the next week he was moving into a new home. And he did some serious partying the next few weeks, at times literally falling down drunk, when his son was away at hockey games.

And this new People story has about the same validity as all of the others ie. none, since we really don't know anything other than that they're getting a divorce, they are already living separately and taking turns staying with the kids. There have just been so many contradictory articles, and I'm not going to believe one more than the other either because: A. I'm a woman too; or B. I often disagreed with things Kate did or said on the show.

But the St. Tropez pictures -- that was just plain wrong, wrong, wrong. No way his kids need to see him with anybody other than their mother until it's veeerrrry serious.

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

Agree with pp. I'm shocked as I get older and know more men who have remained single well into their late 20s and early 30s...dating professionals...that many of them will not actually break-up with a girlfriend. Their strategy is to p*ss them off until they break-up with them. In the spirit of non-man bashing--I'm sure there are girls who do this too. Afterall, a few weekends ago my brother's GF of two years broke up with him via text message and removing him from her Facebook friends.

 

[redrosesix]

Agree with pp. I'm shocked as I get older and know more men who have remained single well into their late 20s and early 30s...dating professionals...that many of them will not actually break-up with a girlfriend. Their strategy is to p*ss them off until they break-up with them. In the spirit of non-man bashing--I'm sure there are girls who do this too. Afterall, a few weekends ago my brother's GF of two years broke up with him via text message and removing him from her Facebook friends.

How rude!

 

[DreaGirl]

Kate's New Boyfriend?

http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrities/hollywood/kate-gosselin-new-beau-215790/

 

[madge]

I don't remember which article I read this in yesterday, but it said that Jon went later to the photo shoot. I wonder if they had him go by himself after Kate and the kids left. They said that he was still moving things into his apartment in the morning and apparently spent some time in Central Park.

I just saw the same thing on Us Weekly, thanks!