Ok please bear with me - I know it's long. I'm finally caught up!!!
I think that was all a game on her part. She was going for sympathy. She yells at him so much in other shows and then all of a sudden she plays the "meek little housewife" who is scared of her big bad husband. In any normal show she would have been having a total hissy fit and he would just go along with it to shut her up.
I have to disagree. Regardless of what we "see" (based on TLC and the paps edits), their (J&K's) dynamic could be totally different. I don't think it was a game at all who was a "meek little housewife" scared of her husband. I took the situation as not wanting to deal with the conflict that was going to ensue with a discussion as to the location of the houses. Maybe this was the only time (with spectators for lack of a better word) that Jon would have actually taken the call or "talked" with her....we just won't know.
I think she really dreaed telling him that the woods were not the right place for those houses. And IMO, she was right.
I was glad to see Jon driving the bobcat/tractor. He looked so manly up there wearing his diamonds.
He may have been humming that ol' tune, "she thinks my trator's sexy". LOL
Completely agree that it seemed sincere about not wanting to tell him. I'm a bit Kate-like and hate "discussing" big things like that with DH. He tends to take (IMO of course!) the "childish" route and stomp around instead of discussing the issues. Am I "afraid" in the sense that he's going to do something to me? Nope - just know that it's going to take a lot more work for me to get through the day. Not saying I won't do the work, but sometimes I'm just not up for it.
You made me
with the song reference!
I don't think he handled it right either. No matter how she treated him, there isn't an excuse in what he did. He hurt not only her, but his children as well.
I do think Kate has issues of her own. But then, I'd probably have issues too with 8 kids.
I agree that from what's known, the situation doesn't seem to have played out the best for those involved.
Heck - I have issues and only have two kids! I'd think with 8 I wouldn't have time to think about my issues!
Do we know just when Kate realized where the houses were going to go? She did say she hadn't walked down to the spot, but I have no idea just when she learned where it was. Maybe Jon did some clearing a few months back, and finished it the day they were coming. I think they have stayed away from each other for months. Kate did say she thought things would be better when they got the house Jon wanted, but instead, he didn't even want her in the house, so she went on tour. Maybe that's when he worked on the area.
I agree - it doesn't seem like the communication was the best honestly leading up to the delivery of the houses.
So far, every one has denied Jon has had an affair; Jon, Kate and Deanna.
If Kate had even once treated Jon with respect and love, maybe I could buy the 'poor me all alone' charade. But she didn't and I don't.
I don't know that an "affair" has been denied. I specifically recall that "cheating" was denied by Jon. Both are subject to the person using the term's definition IMHO.
I think there was love and respect at one point in the relationship and that may have gotten put on the back burner once they had 8 kids and were more in a "survival" mode and, speaking from experience, it can be VERY hard to get that back - especially if it's not what both parties want.
Here's a link to see just how far:
http://www.dlee.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/dlee-jonandkatehouse.jpg
It looks pretty far from the house if you ask me.
Thanks for that picture. From there it does seem crazy far away and can't see why anyone would think that's a good idea. Just me though...
The load of crap is her being afraid to say something to Jon, Playing the meek little timid wife who is afraid to voice her opinion.
Totally disagree that it's a "load of crap". I could see where it could be incredibly hard to talk to him. Communication isn't one of either of their strong suits. Jon (IMO) keeps it all inside while Kate just tends to let it out. Never method is "perfect". I don't think she was afraid to voice the opinion, but more the reaction from attempting to speak with Jon about the location and what would ensue. Kate mentioned several times that there were problems "behind the scenes" so who knows what that means....
He will not talk to her and that is being unreasonable. I think she was trying to keep the peace and let him do it where he wanted but in the end, just could not. His choice was not thought out very well.
Neither will go back to being regular people.
Totally agree about the house location and "regular" people.
Obviously the choices both Kate and Jon have made have not been in the best interest of building a strong family unit. They lost sight of what is really important if they ever had that in view to begin with.
The workers who were there to deliver, install & set up the houses were there to do just that, and not be brought into a Kate drama filled soap opera of attention getting. Kate was acting like a 3 year . She had ample time to discuss with her husband the placement of the houses
I think it could be more challenging to have a "strong family unit" if that's not what both parties want. Jon said many times he was happy with the twins and Kate's the one who wanted "just one more". Maybe that was his turning point in his head. Maybe, purely speculation, Jon decided that once the kids are 5, 6, whatever, I'm done and can't keep living like this (or maybe it was an event as opposed to the kid's ages). This could have been something he'd had on his mind for quite awhile.
As for the houses, I don't think it was only Kate in the "drama filled soap opera". Jon was just as much a diva IMO and acting very childish. Just because she was at the house or whatever doesn't mean there was time to discuss the location. It also sounds like there wasn't much conversation going on at all between the two. Maybe Jon discussed the location with TLC so they'd know where to have the cameras and Kate had discussed her "plan" with TLC, while neither are actually talking to each other to try and figure out the plan....
one of the things we'll never know, but I'm curious to ask ... I wonder how much errand running Kate did before the paps came to town? did she do all that, or someone else?
and add me to the multiple errands in a week group. notsomuch in the summer, but during the school year, when I'm in town twice a day bringing the kids to/from school ... it seems like I have an errand a day then. LOLOL
It'd be interesting to know, for me more because, I guess, how was she able to get everything done as opposed to why she didn't have someone helping her out.
I try not to make multiple trips out during the week and do most of my running either one night/day or on my lunch hours if I can.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't someone from the TLC staff go on record as saying that they didn't have enough usable footage for another complete episode beyond the ones that have already aired when the "hiatus" was called?
That's news to me! What happened to the beach stuff and the other episodes already planned/filmed for this season???
While they may have lost some loyal viewers that are too sad to continue watching, come August...Jon and Kate plus 8 will still make TLC plenty of money.
I totally agree. I think the new "premire" will draw in a few more people and of course they'll loose some because people have found a new "home" on Monday nights but I think they'll be ok. They'll really pull the "big numbers" if they have the divorce show on....
happy 4th to you too, I hope you hae a good holiday.
Aww thank you! It was long. DH worked Friday so dropping him on Friday morning on the Island then back home to clean and such and pick him up from the Island Saturday morning then he had to work OT for the fireworks Saturday night. DS4 (almost 5!!!) burned his arm on a sparkler on Saturday and I burned my arm on the oven Sunday but other than that, I think it was an OK weekend!
Just wanted to wish you all a HAPPY 4TH of JULY! I hope everyone has a wonderful, relaxing time with their families! I just realized how addicted I am to this thread...we'll be gone for 6 days and I know I'm going to miss reading it! Take care everyone! 
Have a safe trip! Hopefully you won't have too much to catch up on!
Well actually you can be too careful. Being too careful would mean not letting them get near the shoreline at all. As parents we have to temper our comfort level with exposing our kids to new things. Another friend is afraid of flying and will not take her kids on a plane for a vacation (they will only go places that are within driving distance.)
I completely agree and will certainly admit I "smother" a bit more than I probably should. I am terrified of flying and have only flown twice and am a wreck the entire flight. Think of Kate's break down on the trip to Utah after being in the air all that time....I'm pretty much crying and freaking out like that the entire flight. I hate it and will not unless I really need to fly somewhere
that's what TLC said, but I'm not buying it.
there's a fan site that has several of the new episode descriptions (no idea if they're accurate or not) and before TLC put a stop to the show, there were 6 or more shows listed, and the beach shows weren't even listed. If they could get 2 or 3 episodes out of the trip to the Smithsonian, I'm guessing the could get at least as many out of the beach.
I agree - there's too much "out there" that's already been filmed. Maybe it's too late for them to use the Smithsonian stuff since the movie's already been out. Maybe they're waiting until the DVD is ready to come out?? Who knows. I'd think it's a waste of a lot of people's time to just trash what's already been taped. TLC HAD to know this was coming IMO based on the little part of the beach trip they showed on the last show with Kate alone and just some of the comments she made. I wouldn't beleive that TLC hadn't been working to make sure they had footage to get through several episodes if J&K stuff "hit the fan" like it did but in more of a private matter.
We set off fireworks in the day time and at night
We did sparklers in our backyard while it was still light out. My boys are still far too little to let them have stuff like that when it's dark out. DS4 burnt his arm (it was more DH's fault for reaching across DS4's arm) in the day light...I'm sure things are worse/more confusing when it's dark out.
You can see the garage area is what is closest to the road where the paps sit. Anywhere else on the property is not an easy view, b/c there are no streets there and it's more set back . Even with all that space, the kids play in a very tiny area in view of the people taking pictures. If it were me, I would pave a giant area right behind the garage (hey I'd even put in another door to go through on the back side) to have all the privacy in the world.
Looks like the 4th was a lot of....fun. Yeah.
In that link, it looks like the only parts they wouldn't been seen from the road in front of their house is behind the garage and a section behind the house. The rest looks like it could all potentially be seen from the road. Now why they're not using the "private" areas, I can't say since I don't live there and am not them. It seems like things like that would have been considered when they were looking at the house. If not more pavement, more trees and such near the road to create more of a "fence" or "natural barrier" between the house and the road so pictures wouldn't be as easy to get. Just a thought...
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We were on a plane and one by one she would drop them out of the plane....they went down a bit and their little parachute would open..
