Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[Nik's Mom]

I guess I have a different take on this girl then everyone else does. I am a mother of 3 who may have a glass of wine once a week and I stay at home and read the dis board.LOL So as you can see I am not wild by any means.LOL
When I was in highschool and my early 20's I was a wild child. I did somethings that I would not want posted all over the world. I was lucky and did not have any pictures of me taken to posted. I am a different person now then I was then and I am no way proud of the things that I did but I was a kid and that is how I look at her. She is a selfish kid who longs for attention just like I did. I know that there were some people married with kids by that age and had a lot of responsibility but that does not change the fact that they were just kids also.
Who knows how this girl is going to be when she is in her 30's, she could be a staight arrow like me. I just hate that so many people are saying how bad she is and what a loser she is. Right now she is acting like one but who knows what she will be like in the future.
Now with that said I still would not want her around my kids. but I think people should be focusing more on Jon and Kate and not some 22 year old kid. Plus everything that has been written about her has been from a friend of a friend of a friend.LOL I guess I just see it differently then most.

I hear you. But if I had the skeletons in my closet like she apparently has, then I would not be dating someone who is in the tabloids all of the time. I'd lead a quiet life and be glad that my wild past is behind me. kwim?

 

[madge]

He really does seem to be a really immature individual who has lost his sense of what it is to be a father.

I absolutely agree about the immature part.

I'm not sure about the lost sense of what it is to be a father, if only because we do not know what the situation is. Don't get me wrong, I think it's crappy of Jon to have taken the girl to France with him... any girl. It's too soon after the children were told their parents are splitting up. Way too soon. But other than this trip to France, we don't know anything about Jon's (or Kate's, for that matter) relationship with the children. It's entirely possible that he could be the same father they've known their whole lives.

It seems to me that this thing swings back and forth .. for weeks, Kate was in the hot seat of publicity, and now it's Jon's turn. Who knows what will be news next week? Lord knows it will be one of them, because this thing isn't going away any time soon.

 

[jpaxton1118]

I hear you. But if I had the skeletons in my closet like she apparently has, then I would not be dating someone who is in the tabloids all of the time. I'd lead a quiet life and be glad that my wild past is behind me. kwim?

At 22 I would not have cared. I would have not thought about it until it happened like she is now.

 

[Buckalew11]

I just think this type of 22 yo behavior is sounding a lot like Paris Hilton type behavior.

And nowadays their are cameras catching you everywhere. These "kids" take pics of themselves and their friends and post them everywhere.

I cannot and will not excuse bad behavior (drugs etc.) by saying they are only young.

That, to me, is a lot like my dislike for the ol' "boys will be boys", "men will be men" type thinking. Those things are not an excuse for bad behavior. While men do men things and I understand that (and boys and girls and women) and I get ALL that. I will not be someone that passes it as OK because of something like, "she's young".
So what?
And maybe she'll be ok when she's 30. And maybe she won't. But who is she today and is she thinking about that. I do not buy that type thing. being young doesn't give you a pass to make stupid mistakes and party like an animal and do drugs and get laid by anyone and everyone.
I think it is safe to say that Miss Hailey is an attention seeking young woman who is seeing this as an opportunity to be in the limelight. She may even feel entitled to it because so many do these days.
She could also take 1/2 of a sec. and think about the Gosselin children. She could think of what this type thing would do to them. but no, I do not think she is. I think she is thinking of herself, her fame and pleasure.
It is all sickening and sad.
Esp. for those children. famous or not, TV show or not, this kind of thing hurts children.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I guess I have a different take on this girl then everyone else does. I am a mother of 3 who may have a glass of wine once a week and I stay at home and read the dis board.LOL So as you can see I am not wild by any means.LOL
When I was in highschool and my early 20's I was a wild child. I did somethings that I would not want posted all over the world. I was lucky and did not have any pictures of me taken to posted. I am a different person now then I was then and I am no way proud of the things that I did but I was a kid and that is how I look at her. She is a selfish kid who longs for attention just like I did. I know that there were some people married with kids by that age and had a lot of responsibility but that does not change the fact that they were just kids also.
Who knows how this girl is going to be when she is in her 30's, she could be a staight arrow like me. I just hate that so many people are saying how bad she is and what a loser she is. Right now she is acting like one but who knows what she will be like in the future.
Now with that said I still would not want her around my kids. but I think people should be focusing more on Jon and Kate and not some 22 year old kid. Plus everything that has been written about her has been from a friend of a friend of a friend.LOL I guess I just see it differently then most.

True, she is immature and has a wild side. Isn't it disturbing that Jon is attracted to that though? Seriously, this young girl is 22 and has a party girl reputation. How on earth can Jon relate to that unless he himself is attracted to it. He is just as immature and like Dr._Finklestein said, this is probably the same Jon as always except that TLC edited it out. Now it all makes sense...Kate always on him to do things, taknig control because he's incapable. He's got his freedom now and what's he doing? Hooking up with 22 year olds and acting like frat guy. I wonder what Kate is thinking...

 

[jpaxton1118]

True, she is immature and has a wild side. Isn't it disturbing that Jon is attracted to that though? Seriously, this young girl is 22 and has a party girl reputation. How on earth can Jon relate to that unless he himself is attracted to it. He is just as immature and like Dr._Finklestein said, this is probably the same Jon as always except that TLC edited it out. Now it all makes sense...Kate always on him to do things, taknig control because he's incapable. He's got his freedom now and what's he doing? Hooking up with 22 year olds and acting like frat guy. I wonder what Kate is thinking...

That is my point. People should be focusing on Jon not on this girl. He is the one with the problem. He is immature and acting like an a$$. I am not excusing her and saying she is ok for the things that she is doing. What I am saying is that he should be the focus and not what this girl did 5 years ago. I think it is kind of silly.

 

[jpaxton1118]

I just think this type of 22 yo behavior is sounding a lot like Paris Hilton type behavior.

And nowadays their are cameras catching you everywhere. These "kids" take pics of themselves and their friends and post them everywhere.

I cannot and will not excuse bad behavior (drugs etc.) by saying they are only young.

That, to me, is a lot like my dislike for the ol' "boys will be boys", "men will be men" type thinking. Those things are not an excuse for bad behavior. While men do men things and I understand that (and boys and girls and women) and I get ALL that. I will not be someone that passes it as OK because of something like, "she's young".
So what?
And maybe she'll be ok when she's 30. And maybe she won't. But who is she today and is she thinking about that. I do not buy that type thing. being young doesn't give you a pass to make stupid mistakes and party like an animal and do drugs and get laid by anyone and everyone.
I think it is safe to say that Miss Hailey is an attention seeking young woman who is seeing this as an opportunity to be in the limelight. She may even feel entitled to it because so many do these days.
She could also take 1/2 of a sec. and think about the Gosselin children. She could think of what this type thing would do to them. but no, I do not think she is. I think she is thinking of herself, her fame and pleasure.
It is all sickening and sad.
Esp. for those children. famous or not, TV show or not, this kind of thing hurts children.

It is not Haley's job to look after those kids, it is Jon's. I was not saying that what she is doing is right what I was saying is that we should focus more on Jon and not this girl. Whether you like it or not she is a girl. A selfish girl I agree.

 

[happygirl]

It is not Haley's job to look after those kids, it is Jon's. I was not saying that what she is doing is right what I was saying is that we should focus more on Jon and not this girl. Whether you like it or not she is a girl. A selfish girl I agree.

How old was Jon when the twin were born

 

[madge]

It is not Haley's job to look after those kids, it is Jon's. I was not saying that what she is doing is right what I was saying is that we should focus more on Jon and not this girl. Whether you like it or not she is a girl. A selfish girl I agree.

I've got a funny feeling this girl is just one in what will be many girls in Jon's life.... I don't see Jon settling back down into marriage again anytime soon.

 

[jpaxton1118]

I've got a funny feeling this girl is just one in what will be many girls in Jon's life.... I don't see Jon settling back down into marriage again anytime soon.

I don't either and she probably is not ready to settle down either that is why she is hanging out with him.

 

[jpaxton1118]

how old was jon when the twin were born

23?

 

[madge]

http://www.seattlepi.com/tvguide/408104_tvgif14.html

Jon told them he was bringing his stylist?

 

[madge]

I don't either and she probably is not ready to settle down either that is why she is hanging out with him.

absolutely. neither are the marrying kind.

 

[happygirl]

23?

I wonder if he feels he lost his youth when he had the twins. That why he's dating young girls to feel young again and reclaim his youth

 

[jpaxton1118]

I wonder if he feels he lost his youth when he had the twins. That why he's dating young girls to feel young again and reclaim his youth

I think so. He has said many times that he had 8 kids by the time he was 27. No matter what people say I am sure that has effected him. We don't know that he cheated but we do know that he is dating young girls and I think that is his way of rebelling. Whether we think it is right or wrong I believe that is what he is doing.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I've got a funny feeling this girl is just one in what will be many girls in Jon's life.... I don't see Jon settling back down into marriage again anytime soon.

I don't either and she probably is not ready to settle down either that is why she is hanging out with him.

absolutely. neither are the marrying kind.

I agree, I think this is going to be a new trend for Jon...20 something girlfriends and none of them long lasting relationshiops. I honestly can't see him marrying again. Of course he did say he imagined himself in his 50's married to a 19 year old. I guess we should wait till he's 50 and see what pop tart he's with at the time.

 

[NY Disney fan]

I've got a funny feeling this girl is just one in what will be many girls in Jon's life.... I don't see Jon settling back down into marriage again anytime soon.

...and God help him if he decides to have more kids.

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

I guess I have a different take on this girl then everyone else does. I am a mother of 3 who may have a glass of wine once a week and I stay at home and read the dis board.LOL So as you can see I am not wild by any means.LOL
When I was in highschool and my early 20's I was a wild child. I did somethings that I would not want posted all over the world. I was lucky and did not have any pictures of me taken to posted. I am a different person now then I was then and I am no way proud of the things that I did but I was a kid and that is how I look at her. She is a selfish kid who longs for attention just like I did. I know that there were some people married with kids by that age and had a lot of responsibility but that does not change the fact that they were just kids also.
Who knows how this girl is going to be when she is in her 30's, she could be a staight arrow like me. I just hate that so many people are saying how bad she is and what a loser she is. Right now she is acting like one but who knows what she will be like in the future.
Now with that said I still would not want her around my kids. but I think people should be focusing more on Jon and Kate and not some 22 year old kid. Plus everything that has been written about her has been from a friend of a friend of a friend.LOL I guess I just see it differently then most.

I agree that she may well turn into a reformed character in later years, but in my experience, how you behave in your 'youth' can be a good indicator of what you will be like when you are older. Yes, she's young but she's not a teenager anymore. For the 'drug issue', while I think it shows a lack of judgement she's not alone in that behaviour at 18. But she's 22 now, and I think it still shows a lack of judgement to hook up with a married man who has 8 kids (which she was very aware of!) who has been getting a lot of media attention lately. She can't cry foul if she's in the tabloids - walking around in public in St Tropez with him would obviously have generated publicity.

But my main 'criticism' is of Jon - he is 30+, he really has no excuse, yes he was 23 when the twins were born but so are a lot of fathers. You don't want kids when you're young? Don't get married and go and get fertility treatment - he did have a say in all this.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

But my main 'criticism' is of Jon - he is 30+, he really has no excuse, yes he was 23 when the twins were born but so are a lot of fathers. You don't want kids when you're young? Don't get married and go and get fertility treatment - he did have a say in all this.

Yup, he sure did. It wasn't like Kate had to manually extract his sperm from him. He was totally aware and played a part in the making of his kids. It's too bad he considers it a burden, his kids are some the cutest I've ever seen, apart from mine own of course!

 

[Dr_Finkelstein]

Yup, he sure did. It wasn't like Kate had to manually extract his sperm from him. He was totally aware and played a part in the making of his kids. It's too bad he considers it a burden, his kids are some the cutest I've ever seen.

Yeah! I do get a bit worked up over the whole 'he was young when they had twins' issue. While neither me or my DH were as young as Jon & Kate we were still in our 20's when we had our twins. Totally unexpected (though it was a planned pregnancy, just only planning 1!) Yes it's hard and a total culture shock, but you deal with it, and I would not change it for the world. I guess I just take it a bit personally because of my personal circumstances!

Rant over now!