Jon and Kate Plus 8 Official Thread - Part 5

[madge]

As far as outfits go...I personally think that Kate has done a great job dressing the 'tups. They always look so adorable and Kate seems to co-ordinate the boys polos/t's with the girls sundresses.

that would be largely in part to Gymboree. they make it very easy to coordinate everything!

 

[newtodis]

I don't think they are different .. although I could be mistaken. A lot of Gymboree's lines look very similar.

The dress is from the Lady Daisy (2008) line:

here's a picture from Saturday:
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20292151,00.html

and the older picture:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the...kate-major-tricked-jon-gosselin-shocking.html

Thanks for tracking that all down!

I thought they looked the same but I honestly couldn't imagine them wearing the same outfit more than once - especially to a photo shoot!

 

[redrosesix]

OT, but my loser ex told my girls who were 7 and 9 at the time that the divorce WAS their fault and if they had done more maybe I wouldn't have left him!!



Ok...more OT, but I hate when they call the Jo Bros a "Tween" band...I bought their new cd and I'm far from a tween!!

You deserved way better than him -- glad you found somebody better.

Based on what I have read, kate has been the way she is forever. The locals have reports of her as a nurse and before the kids were born and nothing has changed. I have not read one thing that ever said she was nice or gracious or pleasant. anyway, I thought the consenus was that adults are responsible for their own behavior, other people can't make you act a certain way? Or does that only apply to Jon?

I dislike them both equally for what they are doing to their kids.

Thanks for posting this -- I think it's important for people to remember that they can't blame all of Kate's faults on Jon (or vice versa)

Kate badmouthed Jon to the kids and others that were around when they were married. I cannot imagine that she had suddenly done a 180 and is now being silent about her feelings for Jon around the kids.

But...the marriage is over now -- the fighting should be too. They both have to understand how difficult this will be for their kids, and how much harder it will be for them to hear bad things about their parents now that they're not around both of them all of the time.

Truth be told, DH and I have actually been separated for 7 years. We separated for cause, probably a result of DH's tumultuous childhood (which began when his parents divorced -- his mother had a nervouse breakdown and everything went downhill from there ) He was pretty angry for the first 2 months -- he had lost his home, car, most of the time with his daughter -- and he bashed me pretty much non-stop. Then he finally came to his senses. It only takes one person to act grown up to put an end to that type of nonsense and in this case it was me.

Fast forward to today, we consider ourselves more married than we were the last year of our marriage, never fight but sometimes argue -- we don't plan to live together ie. nobody can live with him, but he has an apartment just down the hill from our house. We talk on the phone 2-3 times a day, even when he is away working (he's a musician). Yes, it's strange to be married but not living together, but it works for us and DD is extremely happy with the way things are. We travel together, just bought a timeshare together, and never needed a custody agreement to work things out -- when he's in town, he often sleeps over at our house and we make an effort to go out on dates just the 2 of us.

Unfortunately, I don't see Jon and Kate ever being able to do what we did -- it really takes putting your kids first, being able to roll with the punches and ignore things somewhat, and really caring and trying to understand the other parent a lot.

I do know people who grew up having to hear one parent bashing the other in their absence -- in some cases that really backfired, and the person ended up hating that parent for lying to them, or involving them in a dispute which really had nothing to do with them. In other cases, it was as if the other parent died to them -- they never had a relationship with them because they believed all of the bad things they were told. Neither one is acceptable.

ITA, she never seemed to filter for the sake of his feelings or the kids feelings toward Jon before the split and likely isn't talking nicely about him now.

For those of you who always say "he gave it too," what should he have done after ten + years of her talking to him the way we all saw on TV? When you are immasculated, demeaned, degraded in front of your kids, people at a toy store, the tv audience, the camera crew, friends, etc., what should one do? I don't know. I have never heard a woman talk to her husband the way Kate did, and would be totally humiliated (for him) if I did.

I think if the tables had been turned and we saw Jon talk about Kate's weight, hair loss, inabilities to breath right, put the kids down for a nap, stay where he wanted her while shopping, load the van, etc. People would have yelled "verbal abuse." Can you IMAGINE an episode where Jon encourages solicits, lines up, and takes Kate for cosmetic surgery that she really doesn't seem that keen on?! (Like the hair plugs). People would have gone crazy!

Yes, I think he's lost his marbles and has handled this whole dating thing completely inappropriately. I feel sorry for the kids to have gone from parents married and fighting and being documented on TV, to this.

ITA! so well put

 

[madge]

Thanks for tracking that all down!

I thought they looked the same but I honestly couldn't imagine them wearing the same outfit more than once - especially to a photo shoot!

I'm on a message board similar to the DIS for Gymboree... they have a section of archived lines. LOLOL ... my DD has worn a lot of Gymbo over the years, and I remember the daisy line from last year... loved it. They wore the line on Oprah, IIRC.

I'm not sure they wore those dresses in the shoot itself. I saw pictures from later (? I think?) in the day and the girls were wearing teal/turquoise dresses.

 

[madge]

today's radaronline tidbit ...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...kate-major-still-shacked-michael-lohans-house

 

[OhMari]

today's radaronline tidbit ...

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...kate-major-still-shacked-michael-lohans-house

So much for Jon with the tups yesterday, when Kate took Maddy and Kara to the concert. Pretty soon, they are going to starting playing the game "Where's Waldo", but call it "Where's Jon?"

I thought Maddy's outfit or shirt was cute, but a little to old for her, and Kara's outfit was cute, but I have a feeling Kate had a little struggle getting her to put on a skirt. Kara is really getting tall. But she just seems so sad all the time.

 

[live4christp1]

So much for Jon with the tups yesterday, when Kate took Maddy and Kara to the concert. Pretty soon, they are going to starting playing the game "Where's Waldo", but call it "Where's Jon?"

I thought Maddy's outfit or shirt was cute, but a little to old for her, and Kara's outfit was cute, but I have a feeling Kate had a little struggle getting her to put on a skirt. Kara is really getting tall. But she just seems so sad all the time.

I was thinking she was the twin who liked dresses/skirts. From episodes I've watched and pictures it seems that one prefers dresses/skirts over pants/shorts. I'm glad that she lets them dress as individuals and doesn't try to make them match all the time.

I think all the kids look terribly sad all the time.....if you look at last seasons episodes and some photos I've looked at even prior to that a lot of them look sad or angry - and I'm talking all post seperation/divorce, especially the twins.

I feel so terrible for those children.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

So much for Jon with the tups yesterday, when Kate took Maddy and Kara to the concert. Pretty soon, they are going to starting playing the game "Where's Waldo", but call it "Where's Jon?"

I thought Maddy's outfit or shirt was cute, but a little to old for her, and Kara's outfit was cute, but I have a feeling Kate had a little struggle getting her to put on a skirt. Kara is really getting tall. But she just seems so sad all the time.

Cara has always seemed to be very close to Jon, perhaps she is sad because Daddy isn't home right now.

Okay here is something you all won't be able to resist:

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/07/24/no-kate-im-dating-jon/

I think I will pass.

 

[redrosesix]

Hey! Anybody notice what Kate is NOT wearing in this photo?
http://justjared.buzznet.com/gallery/photos.php?yr=2009&mon=07&evt=gosselin-jonas&pic=kate-gosselin-jonas-brothers-concert-11.jpg

Here's a hint: It rhymes with Bling (which she is wearing) --

 

[DreaGirl]

Here is some different concert info (I think). They were not in box seats. Do you think she was checking our thread in this picture?

http://blogs.mcall.com/lehighvalley...-jonas-fans-attention-at-philly-concert-.html

 

[DreaGirl]

http://justjared.buzznet.com/2009/07/24/no-kate-im-dating-jon/

 

[newtodis]

ITA, she never seemed to filter for the sake of his feelings or the kids feelings toward Jon before the split and likely isn't talking nicely about him now.

I don't think you should completely filter everything for your kids. DH and I will make sarcastic comments in front of the kids. Now I will say that I do try to limit anything I say about DH unless we're behind "closed doors" and are having a discussion - then we speak very openly (DH an I).

For those of you who always say "he gave it too," what should he have done after ten + years of her talking to him the way we all saw on TV? When you are immasculated, demeaned, degraded in front of your kids, people at a toy store, the tv audience, the camera crew, friends, etc., what should one do? I don't know. I have never heard a woman talk to her husband the way Kate did, and would be totally humiliated (for him) if I did.

I will be the first to stand up and say I've talked to my DH the way Kate's talked to Jon that I've seen on their show. I can also tell you that it's been, for me, to the point of frustration because I've requested/asked/told him to do something so many times that it's like I have another child. It's 125% frustrating at times. In that respect, I think I know completely how Kate feels. Yes my DH sometimes makes snippy comments back (like Jon) but generally it's an eye roll or attitude in general which ticks me off even more because he won't talk about the "issue" - he blows it off. Not to say I haven't tried to talk to him about these things....it's just the way it is between us right now. For the record, I do have a relationship book on hold at the library to keep me busy during the 15 hour drive to MI on Sunday....maybe that will have some tips for me!

I think if the tables had been turned and we saw Jon talk about Kate's weight, hair loss, inabilities to breath right, put the kids down for a nap, stay where he wanted her while shopping, load the van, etc. People would have yelled "verbal abuse." Can you IMAGINE an episode where Jon encourages solicits, lines up, and takes Kate for cosmetic surgery that she really doesn't seem that keen on?! (Like the hair plugs). People would have gone crazy!

I would love if someone would arrange all of that for me! Just because it was edited to show the person on the receiving end wasn't that interested doesn't mean they weren't. Maybe he was "day dreaming" thinking something like that would "never happen" then when it was available he wasn't so sure? I don't think it's "right" for anyone to constantly berate anyone else - partner or not. Like I said above, I've talked to my DH like Kate's talked to Jon. I've been with guys who were mouthy with me. If you don't speak your mind, they'll continue to do it. Communication is so important.

Thanks for posting this -- I think it's important for people to remember that they can't blame all of Kate's faults on Jon (or vice versa). But...the marriage is over now -- the fighting should be too. They both have to understand how difficult this will be for their kids, and how much harder it will be for them to hear bad things about their parents now that they're not around both of them all of the time.

I do know people who grew up having to hear one parent bashing the other in their absence -- in some cases that really backfired, and the person ended up hating that parent for lying to them, or involving them in a dispute which really had nothing to do with them.

So agree with the bolded part. I wish it were that easy. I'm sure it's got to be unsettling for Kate to leave the kids with him seeing how much he's changed from the Jon we were showing to now. That can't be easy for her. I'd like to think I'd take the high road if in that situation and not bash. I'm sure little things slip here or there or something that's said may not come out right - on either side.......

I grew up like that - constantly hearing how great the parent I was with at the time was. Not so much blatently bashing the other, but just how wonderful they were. I have no relationship to speak of with any of my family and it's really had an impact on my life. I so hope these kids don't have to go through that.

 

[redrosesix]

Here is some different concert info (I think). They were not in box seats. Do you think she was checking our thread in this picture?

http://blogs.mcall.com/lehighvalley...-jonas-fans-attention-at-philly-concert-.html

Ummm... why would they want to be seated early? I'd have gone in at the last minute when it was dark -- isn't that what real celebrities do? But I suppose everything had to be geared to PR, from arriving at the front of the arena in a stretch to being there waiting for her fans.

And I can't imagine spending the concert texting on my phone -- must be nice to be so rich that you find a Jonas Brothers concert boring.

No wonder the girls didn't have a good time.

 

[mrsksomeday]

And I can't imagine spending the concert texting on my phone -- must be nice to be so rich that you find a Jonas Brothers concert boring.

I am not rich but I would find that concert utterly boring.

As for the "I'm Dating Jon" t-shirts, I think we should come up with something here and sell it for future Disney trips for all of us .

A shirt for Jon "I have money for nothing and get chicks for free" (submitted by from my Bill).

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I lOVE the dating Jon t-shirt...it would be even better if it were all Ed Hardy tacky.

Maybe the girls were a little young for the Jonas brothers??? I don't know. Or it could be that they don't watch or listen a lot a home--with some many kids in the house they may demand the twins time. I took my DD to the Hannah Montana movie-concert thing. She wasn't really that interested. I think it was partly that her brothers never give her a minute of peace at home They always want her to play house or ride bikes. It is kind of a good thing--reduces the amount of TV anybody in our house watches.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I am not rich but I would find that concert utterly boring.

As for the "I'm Dating Jon" t-shirts, I think we should come up with something here and sell it for future Disney trips for all of us .

A shirt for Jon "I have money for nothing and get chicks for free" (submitted by from my Bill).

I would find it so boring my children would have to just suffer by not going.

I love the "I have money for nothing and get chicks for free" Give Bill a big high five!!

 

[GeorgiaPeach8]

I bet she wasn't all that early...they do live 70 miles away. I'm always amazed at how late people show up for that kind of stuff. I'm usually too early b/c I don't want to be late.

I'm pretty sure Kate was bored--my mom took me to an Adam Ant concert when I was about 12 (Hello 80s) and read a book with a book light. It was really funny. My friend and I still laugh about it today.

 

[DreaGirl]

A shirt for Jon "I have money for nothing and get chicks for free" (submitted by from my Bill).

I'll take one!

 

[ksjayhawks]

. . . So yes, Jon's PR people need to sit him down and have a chat. I wonder if Stacey and Clinton from What Not To Wear are just chomping at the bit to get their hands on Jon! Can you imagine what they'd say to him? I'd LOVE to see that episode!

Me, too!

 

[whitneyNC]

Ummm... why would they want to be seated early? I'd have gone in at the last minute when it was dark -- isn't that what real celebrities do? But I suppose everything had to be geared to PR, from arriving at the front of the arena in a stretch to being there waiting for her fans.

And I can't imagine spending the concert texting on my phone -- must be nice to be so rich that you find a Jonas Brothers concert boring.

No wonder the girls didn't have a good time.

ITA. Go in after the lights are down, and don't arrive in a limo if you want to be incognito. I've never understood parents basing the activities they take their kids to solely on their own likes and dislikes. Isn't seeing your kids enjoy something enjoyment enough? I don't love riding Dumbo, but I sure loved seeing my three year olds on it their first times! My mom took me to Shaun Cassidy when I was 8, and she was excited for me, and loved seeing us squealing and singing along. Seeing mom disengaged could put a damper on the twins' big Jo Bro evening.