Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[TotalSnowWhite]

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I think the idea is, if you don't "watch" the train wreck, you can't comment on it - even though every channel available has something to say about it; interviews; etc..

Way back in the beginning - when Kate was demanding they be allowed to keep the nurse for the sextuplets longer than the state allowed - she made a comment along the lines of, "I'll scream from the highest mountain to get what is best for my children" (or something similar) - and for those who feel this is not in their children's best interest, I think we pretty much feel the same way..

So - I for one will not be keeping silent on this matter - even though I will no longer watch the show..

The difference is, they are not your children and you have no say in how they will be raised. You don't have anything at stake here, so it's very easy for you to scream from the mountaintops.

Again, talking here, writing to Coca-Cola (or which ever sponsors you choose to write to) or screaming from the highest mountains will do no good. If you truly believe the children are in harm's way, do something that will get results. Write to CPS in their area. Call their local politicians. Your comments on this thread do nothing for them.

I'm not being snarky, those are the facts. If you want to be a martyr for the Gosselin kids, then do it.

Agreed...




We don't pay relatives in our family for babysitting.

We don't either. We could try, but they wouldn't take it, especially not a grandparent!! I even try to send money if they're going shopping or out to eat, and no one will accept it. Heck, I even tried to pay for our Disney trip last December, but my grandparents paid for everything. I put it all on my CC, thinking I would get away with it, but when I returned home, they had deposited all of the cost and then some back in my account (we go to the same credit union). I think I got to pay for one meal, and that's it. Why? Because, in their eyes, the trip was for DS3. I can hear them now..."It's just what family does."

 

[mistydoodles]

So what is Jon up to now? Do any of these magazines have photos of him with other women now or is he locked up in his apartment above the garage.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

You don't think if Kevin & Jodi came out 6 mos ago and said "Jon was here and he thinks Kate is having an affair, I'm hiring a PI, we are seperated etc that someone wouldn't have paid for that?

If they are only in it for the $$ perfect timing would've been around the vow renewal right?

I'm willing to bet they were approached after the "news" started spewing. However, they can't just dish the dirt for the sake of getting the money, they have to give it a purpose to keep up an image. Although it seems it's not working too well for them. Money has a way of doing that, though, as many of you have metioned about the Gosselins.

 

[DMRick]

You don't think if Kevin & Jodi came out 6 mos ago and said "Jon was here and he thinks Kate is having an affair, I'm hiring a PI, we are seperated etc that someone wouldn't have paid for that?

If they are only in it for the $$ perfect timing would've been around the vow renewal right?

I don't know. I only know that it all seemed to hit the fan when Jon got caught out with another person at 2 in the morning. That's pretty much when interest seemed to escalate. I think the vow renwel was in October, and supposedly Jon went to them six months ago..shortly before he gave a happy go lucky/things are going great interview in January.

 

[Tink&SquirtsMom]

Kate looked very sad last night.... when Jon got to the party, you could tell she was uncomfortable (as most women would be to see their philandering husband).

Jon looked like he had just come off a bender while on the conversation couch- at one point I even thought he was slurring his words.

I hate to see people all over Kate for her speaking engagements and book signings.... she's a working Mom.... get over it.

Sorry. I don't don't get it. I was a SAHM for 7+ years and when I accepted a job that would require me to travel 1-2 weeks a year and be all but unavailable for 4 days every May, you better believe that was a choice I made with my dh. We needed the money, and it was (is) a great job, but it was still something we decided on together, because my travelling meant dh needed to be available. It affected him, our kids, his career options, etc, etc. I'm not sure Kate took the full effect on Jon or the kids into account.

When I was a SAHM if dh accepted a job that required him to travel for days on end, a few months at a time AND we didn't absolutely need the money, I would have been livid... and I think a lot of the people on here defending Kate might be reacting differently if it was Jon who was travelling and leaving Kate home for days.

Jon and Kate do not need the money from speaking engagements and book tours. She wants the money to achieve a higher standard of living. BIG difference. Dh was raised with a dad who was absent because he was always out working on his career. It started from an absolutely good place (like I believe Kate did) but it spiraled to nothing ever being enough. And when the kids get old enough to realize mommy was gone because she valued a bigger house, more land, noteriety, etc, etc over time with her children then things get bad (as they have with my dh and his dad). She can have a fullfilling and successful career without missing out on so much of her kids daily lives... women do it every day.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think Jon is innocent at all here. I think he likes all the money she earns and is immature and passive-aggressive, but given Kate's domineering personality I believe it when he says he didn't have a choice. I think she decided this is what she wanted to do, and was not going to have it any other way. Meaning his "choice" was to work with Kate being gone meaning neither parent would be home daily with their children, or to suck it up and be a SAHD which is something he never wanted to do. I think he did what he thought was right, not what he at all wanted to do, and now he is feeling unappreciated and like he lost himself (like many SAHM's do). In Kate's defense I think she was also doing what she thought was best... but quickly spiraled out of control.

I honestly think Jon's "affair" (whatever happened and I believe something did) was an immature, passive aggressive cry for Kate to be home more. I don't think he is a strong enough man to stand up to her and truly fight for what he wants (or if he even knows what he really wants), so like a child he acted out for attention.

To me Jon looked completely depressed and broken. He looked so, so sad when Alexis said she missed him. Kate also was sad, but seemed so defensive like she had completely closed herself to the fact that any of the responsibility for this could be on her.

They are both majorly at fault here, and they need to back away from the show and refocus on the children and each other... and learn some healthy communication skills.

 

[Aristomommy]

I'm willing to bet they were approached after the "news" started spewing. However, they can't just dish the dirt for the sake of getting the money, they have to give it a purpose to keep up an image. Although it seems it's not working too well for them. Money has a way of doing that, though, as many of you have metioned about the Gosselins.

Looking at the interview this morning, Kevin seemed very emotional about the entire situation. Jodi not so much and I think she may feel hurt by Kate's actions. I am sure that they have seen the changes that family has gone through and how the show has taken over the children's lives. Is there some jealousy over their success or fortune? Probably, but I also think they want what's best for their nieces and nephews. Money can do strange things to people, Jon and Kate are no exception in what they have allowed for their family. Compare them to the Duggars (not a big fan of them) who allow a glimpse to their lives, not let the cameras change who they are.

 

[DMRick]

and I think a lot of the people on here defending Kate might be reacting differently if it was Jon who was travelling and leaving Kate home for days.

Actually, I think those not defending Kate would be reacting differently if it was Jon traveling. I think then, it would be ok, as it's his job.

When Kate started the books, they prob had no idea what the touring would be like. John's employment has been very sketchy, and keeping a job has been hard. I think I remember the spin on it was, Jon would stay home (and sometimes join Kate) and Kate would tour with the book (which is usually part and parcel of writing a book and do speeches. Those types of things usually help keep the interest high on these shows. Amy of Little People also goes out and speaks. Jon seemed to be OK with it in the begining. Now, not so much. But now there are prob contracts and agreements that would be very very expensive to get out of. They prob got advances as well.

Jon seemed to fine with it, until he found out that if he parties, the pictures will follow. I wouldn't be surprised if TLC has a contract saying they have to show good morals. Who knows.

Jon and Kate do not need the money from speaking engagements and book tours. She wants the money to achieve a higher standard of living. .

You know this how? There is no way that a lot of money may be funneled into the kids accounts, right? Used to pay two mortgages, and food and taxes? Heat bill? Tithing to their church?

Brings us right back to...we only see what TLC wants us to see, and we really don't have any idea how much money they have available to them.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

Looking at the interview this morning, Kevin seemed very emotional about the entire situation. Jodi not so much and I think she may feel hurt by Kate's actions. I am sure that they have seen the changes that family has gone through and how the show has taken over the children's lives. Is there some jealousy over their success or fortune? Probably, but I also think they want what's best for their nieces and nephews. Money can do strange things to people, Jon and Kate are no exception in what they have allowed for their family. Compare them to the Duggars (not a big fan of them) who allow a glimpse to their lives, not let the cameras change who they are.

The Duggars haven't had nearly the success of the Gosselins, though. That much that quickly can throw one for a loop. The Duggar parents are also older and probably were stronger in their senses of self when they started their shows. Jon and Kate were so young when they started on this journey. Heck, I'm the age now they were when they started, and I am on a constant self-finding mission. I do my best for DS and DNiece, but I still need to work on me.

 

[brittsmum1998]

I'm willing to bet they were approached after the "news" started spewing. However, they can't just dish the dirt for the sake of getting the money, they have to give it a purpose to keep up an image. Although it seems it's not working too well for them. Money has a way of doing that, though, as many of you have metioned about the Gosselins.

The internet is a big place, they could've put it out there. It would've been picked up somewhere, even GWOP. They could've easily gotten it out there. I think in their minds (right or wrong) they feel they are doing it for their nieces and nephews. I think they care. I'm sure Jon had an inkling to what they were going to do if he did in fact speak to them 6 months ago. Didn't they also say this AM that they've spoken w/ Jon & Kate within the last yr or so but not the kids? Maybe they've been trying to talk some sense into them. Who knows, maybe Jon came to them and said you are right, talk to Kate. I don't think we'll ever know the truth.

Why would you say "its not working to well for them".? They certainly seem to be getting their 15 mins. If its true what some previous posters are saying they are getting paid right?

I do find it ironic that Jodi & Kevin can talk about the family and be called "scum"etc, they're only in it for the $$ etc BUT its ok for Kate to splash personal feelings about her HUSBAND and FATHER of her eight children and thats ok? Lets not start on the $$ she/they are getting.

 

[1stluvispooh]

The internet is a big place, they could've put it out there. It would've been picked up somewhere, even GWOP. They could've easily gotten it out there. I think in their minds (right or wrong) they feel they are doing it for their nieces and nephews. I think they care. I'm sure Jon had an inkling to what they were going to do if he did in fact speak to them 6 months ago. Didn't they also say this AM that they've spoken w/ Jon & Kate within the last yr or so but not the kids? Maybe they've been trying to talk some sense into them. Who knows, maybe Jon came to them and said you are right, talk to Kate. I don't think we'll ever know the truth.

Why would you say "its not working to well for them".? They certainly seem to be getting their 15 mins. If its true what some previous posters are saying they are getting paid right?

I do find it ironic that Jodi & Kevin can talk about the family and be called "scum"etc, they're only in it for the $$ etc BUT its ok for Kate to splash personal feelings about her HUSBAND and FATHER of her eight children and thats ok? Lets not start on the $$ she/they are getting.

Good point

 

[C.Ann]

You don't have anything at stake here, so it's very easy for you to scream from the mountaintops.

How do you know "I don't have anything at stake here?" Isn't that the popular mantra - "Well we don't know....."
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Again, talking here, writing to Coca-Cola (or which ever sponsors you choose to write to) or screaming from the highest mountains will do no good.

You know this how?
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If you want to be a martyr for the Gosselin kids, then do it.
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Thank you - I will - right along with all of the others on this thread who don't agree with what they are doing - as well as the folks who have PM'd me for a list of the sponsors so they can voice their opinions as well.. Sponsors listen to what viewers have to say - contrary to what some may believe..

No one wants their children taken away.. I don't think anyone even wants to see Jon & Kate split - but it looks like that might be a done deal already.. I'm sorry if my thoughts on this differ from yours to the point where you feel as though you need to place a "label" on it.. We are both entitled to feel the way we feel - "agree to disagree" - and I will continue to post how I feel on this thread.. If anyone sees that as me being a "martyr" - in regards to my feelings about the Gosselin children - all I can say is "thank you".. I will take that as a compliment..

Now back to the "general" discussion..

 

[Tink&SquirtsMom]

Actually, I think those not defending Kate would be reacting differently if it was Jon traveling. I think then, it would be ok, as it's his job.

When Kate started the books, they prob had no idea what the touring would be like. John's employment has been very sketchy, and keeping a job has been hard. I think I remember the spin on it was, Jon would stay home (and sometimes join Kate) and Kate would tour with the book (which is usually part and parcel of writing a book and do speeches. Those types of things usually help keep the interest high on these shows. Amy of Little People also goes out and speaks. Jon seemed to be OK with it in the begining. Now, not so much. But now there are prob contracts and agreements that would be very very expensive to get out of. They prob got advances as well.

Jon seemed to fine with it, until he found out that if he parties, the pictures will follow. I wouldn't be surprised if TLC has a contract saying they have to show good morals. Who knows.

I believe thats true, that they didn't know how intense it would be. But that doesn't mean they couldn't make changes when it did become too much. That is something a couple with healthy communication would have done. And to me expensive contracts vs. priceless marriage and family... hmm, not a tough decision. There is always wiggle room in a contract (especially if she has a good manager and lawyer).

In this case I don't think he felt he could really stand up to her and make her understand what he was feeling... and I'm not sure she would have cared if he did.

You know this how? There is no way that a lot of money may be funneled into the kids accounts, right? Used to pay two mortgages, and food and taxes? Heat bill? Tithing to their church?

Brings us right back to...we only see what TLC wants us to see, and we really don't have any idea how much money they have available to them.

I know this by looking at their house. NO ONE, not even a family of 10 NEEDS a house that large. It is a want, not a need. That is her priority. This lifestyle she is living is being funded by her choices, which is fine but own it. She chose to do these things to obtain a certain standard of living.... even if that was not initially her goal (which as I said I think when she began her intentions were pure... providing for her family), it is obviously her goal now.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

The internet is a big place, they could've put it out there. It would've been picked up somewhere, even GWOP. They could've easily gotten it out there. I think in their minds (right or wrong) they feel they are doing it for their nieces and nephews. I think they care. I'm sure Jon had an inkling to what they were going to do if he did in fact speak to them 6 months ago. Didn't they also say this AM that they've spoken w/ Jon & Kate within the last yr or so but not the kids? Maybe they've been trying to talk some sense into them. Who knows, maybe Jon came to them and said you are right, talk to Kate. I don't think we'll ever know the truth.

Why didn't they do it earlier? That's the question. Why wait until the ship hit the fan (funny mental image)?

Why would you say "its not working to well for them".? They certainly seem to be getting their 15 mins. If its true what some previous posters are saying they are getting paid right?

I was referring to upholding their (Jodi's since Keving wasn't really on the show that much) image. If she'd have kept her mouth shut, people would still think she was sweet Aunt Jodi. Now she's not so much in a lot of people's eyes. And I'd tell her in person the same thing I'd say to those who think blabbing on the internet it going to help a darn thing. If it's truly about laws and rights, go to the proper authorities. The Star isn't going to help you protect the kids. Radar online just wants your face for their site and could care less about child reality star legalities.

I do find it ironic that Jodi & Kevin can talk about the family and be called "scum"etc, they're only in it for the $$ etc BUT its ok for Kate to splash personal feelings about her HUSBAND and FATHER of her eight children and thats ok? Lets not start on the $$ she/they are getting.

I think it's because KJ (not to be confused with JK) are airing out laundry that doesn't belong to them. It's leaving an icky taste in people's mouths. Most people can relate to having in-law and/or sibling issues, and that's not working in KJ's favor. Heck, there are even non-Gosselin supporters who think it's scummy.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

Now back to the "general" discussion..

This is part of the general discussion, as you've put your thoughts onto this discussion thread.

Now, do you have something at stake that the rest of don't know about? If so, then that puts a whole new spin on your posts. Do you know something the rest of us do not?

Or do you just need a cause outside of yourself and your own life and the Gosselin kids are it? That's completely fine if it's the case, just be ready to back it up, especially on this thread. I'd just think on a discussion board, you'd discuss your opinions on the topic at hand instead of deflecting.

 

[KandD]

My boyfriend came home from work and told me that Jon was going to be on KC101 in 15 minutes. I got KC101 up on my computer and it was like a gag...some guy just was acting like Jon and swearing and saying that he can't wait to get out of the house and away from Kate and the kids.

I thought that maybe I would have something new to post on the board tonight but I guess not!!

 

[longstangetrip]

This is part of the general discussion, as you've put your thoughts onto this discussion thread.

Now, do you have something at stake that the rest of don't know about? If so, then that puts a whole new spin on your posts. Do you know something the rest of us do not?

Or do you just need a cause outside of yourself and your own life and the Gosselin kids are it? That's completely fine if it's the case, just be ready to back it up, especially on this thread. I'd just think on a discussion board, you'd discuss your opinions on the topic at hand instead of deflecting.

...but on one of the previous page someone backed up their "for sure" statement by way of "having a vibe."

 

[newtodis]

We stop working with the kids (I work with the at-risk kids in our public school system) a couple weeks before school's out so they can finish out the year with everyone else, so I got out for summer on May 8. However, I start summer programs tomorrow until August 7. Then I host summer camp for kids who don't have anywhere to be during the remaining two weeks of summer at our house. Then back to school/work.

Have to say you're amazing!! I worked for awhile with children of "at risk" high school aged parents and sometimes I think the parents were worse than the kids! Of course, those kids taught me a lot. Never until that class had I had a child spit in my face or run out the emergency exit into a parking lot full of cars Certainly taught me a thing or two. I can't imagine your patience and the size of your heart.

http://www.kansascity.com/stargazing/story/1218990.html

Is Life and Style Weekly a tabloid? Do they pay for stories? I've never heard of it.

I think I've posted scans from that magazine before (on the last thread). Mabye they're local that they cover J&K so much??? I'd never heard of the magazine before.

I think her next book is supposed to be a recipe book. Of course, according to Kevin and Jodi, she doesn't really cook or bake, so that one will be interesting LOL

Didn't he say she wasn't a good cook, not that she didn't cook? I honestly can't recall.

It is supposed to be, but Kate has said she doesn't really follow a recipe when cooking.

Didn't she say that in the episode where the stove broke when she was making soup? I recall her saying it for sure.

I know a lot of people who go to spas all the time I don't see the big deal

I don't think going to the spa is a big deal. I personally don't go because I've got so many other things I could do with that time/money. It's a personal choice. If that's how you connect with your child/ren, by all means, I'd make time for it. Unfortunetly, I can't see my two boys at the spa with me!

Organic means grown free of chemical insecticides, pesticides, fertilizers and fungicides. Wouldn't have an effect on an allergy I don't think. Yes, there are always kids around me with food allergies now. Thankfully none of my own.

My DS4 is allergic to 17 things including cockroaches, shellfish, peanuts, eggs, soy, mold, dust, grass, weeds, trees, horses, dogs among other things. His "best buddy" knows he can't come over to play because Corbin will "get dead" because he's got dogs at his house. Thankfully, his parents know about the "getting dead" (that's how the boys refer to it and now we adults say it as well) and are careful about what their son eats/does before he comes out to play with my DS4. Not everyone cares that much. I would like to think Kate or someone checked to make sure all the kids could have the cake. The teacher was invited and you would think she would mention something when she was invited or called to RSVP (assuming they RSVP'd).

I can hear them now..."It's just what family does."

Oh to have a family like that. I'm so glad to hear you appreciate them. So many have wonderful families and are just ungrateful for them.

When Kate started the books, they prob had no idea what the touring would be like.

You know this how? There is no way that a lot of money may be funneled into the kids accounts, right? Used to pay two mortgages, and food and taxes? Heat bill? Tithing to their church?

Kate mentioned on Monday that they didn't do the tour for the first book, that they kind of smushed them together so maybe they didn't really have a good idea of what it was all about since the first one came out and it's wasn't a lot of "work" in the sense that she didn't have to do the traveling and such.

I'm sure money's going in a lot of directions. Imagine paying for health care alone for the family for a month. Let alone two mortgages, utilities, cable, internet, cell phones, gas, car payments, insurance, nanny/babysitter, dogs/vet bills, ect. I'm sure there are many other things in addition to that specific to their family like the security and such. We have no idea how much is coming in and going out each month. It's all speculation. And we don't know out of how much they're getting paid is actually "theirs" - meaning what's left over after putting money into savings accounts, college accounts, paying bills, paying TLC or other staff, ect. Maybe there's really nothing left. How are we to know?

Heck, I'm the age now they were when they started, and I am on a constant self-finding mission. I do my best for DS and DNiece, but I still need to work on me.

Well you certainly sound like you've got a lot of it worked out - I wish I was that "together".

 

[C.Ann]

This is part of the general discussion, as you've put your thoughts onto this discussion thread..

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I responded to a post similar to yours on the other thread.. The short version is, we don't all agree on this matter.. I have shared what I'm willing to share and that's where it ends.. I have quoted things that were said by Jon or Kate and commented on them.. I have commented on various things that have been shown on the series recently - as well as in the past.. That is a general discussion - those are my "thoughts" on those particular matters - and that's all anyone is going to get from me.. When - and "if" - I feel the need to share anything else, I will.. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that..

 

[longstangetrip]

Didn't he say she wasn't a good cook, not that she didn't cook? I honestly can't recall.

Didn't she say that in the episode where the stove broke when she was making soup? I recall her saying it for sure.

How could anyone forget "old Grandma soup?"

"defrost one old grandma,..."

 

[newtodis]

Here's another link from the J&K facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/ext/share.php?sid=85473634381&h=8EnxV&u=7OGGS&ref=nf

Jon & Kate Plus 8: Sextuplets' Birthday Montage : Video : TLC
Source: tlc.discovery.com
Take a look back at the sextuplets' birthdays and see how they've grown over the years. Watch Jon & Kate Plus 8 Mondays @ 9/8c on TLC.

I also forgot to add to my other post....for those who think they should just quit the show now - don't you think now's not the best time? The kids have already went from Mommy home full time to Daddy home full time to a babysitter/nanny around and Mommy and Daddy gone to now possibly mommy and daddy splitting up then to take away their "friends" (crew)? I think it's a bit much to try and take on all at once. I think if they decide not to continue with the show, they need to slowly scale back, like they started way back with just a few episodes in the first season, start cutting back on the number of episodes per season. JHMO...