Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[1stluvispooh]

Actually Kate did say in the People article it sounded like she was caught off guard about the whole Deanna thing...

"I don't know that we're in the same place anymore, that we want the same thing," she says quietly. "I've been struggling with the question of 'Who is this person?' for a while. I remember where I was the first time I heard her name. It's one of those things where you can try to make it go away, but there's blaring, red flashing lights."

'The name to which Kate refers belongs to 23-year-old Deanna Hummel, whose brother later claimed she'd been having a months-long affair with Jon.'

The whole contract thing is so bizarre, I don't know that I'm buying that now. We only know this because Jon went to Kevin & Jodi and said he thought Kate was being unfaithful too. He said he felt he was getting a bad rap when he thought Kate might have cheated too. Sounds like he was admitting to the affair and was irritated he got caught. As far as Kate having an affair, I just don't know if I believe that. She is so shrewd and driven that I can't imagine her succumbing to a petty affair that would jeopardize all she's worked for. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think it adds up. Sounds more like Jon wanted to have an affair and so he was trying to justify it.

Well according to Kate's ex-fiance she cheated on him so if we are going to speculate we can always say. Once a cheater always a cheater.

 

[DMRick]

I hope you aren't upset. You just stated that you thought Jon was having an affair based on your personal experience, then stated that Kate wasn't because it was speculations. Isn't it all speculations? None of us (at least I don't think) know them personally, so....

Actually, she didn't state Kate wasn't, she just gave her opinion on it. What she said was:

Yep...you're right they do, but my guess on that one is people trying to shift the blame.

Since so much seems to be Kate's fault it make sense to me thatpeople would try to mak Jon having an affair her fault because she did (not that I know if either did).

 

[MichelleVW]

I hope you aren't upset. You just stated that you thought Jon was having an affair based on your personal experience, then stated that Kate wasn't because it was speculations. Isn't it all speculations? None of us (at least I don't think) know them personally, so....

Nah...I'm not upset....I really try not to let any of this bother me since you're totally right and we don't really know anything about J&K.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Well according to Kate's ex-fiance she cheated on him so if we are going to speculate we can always say. Once a cheater always a cheater.

Well, now that is an interesting argument. Cheating before your married means you're prone to cheating in marriage? I guess I'm in trouble because my DH cheated on one of his girlfriends before we ever met! Dating and marriage are very different IMO...when you're married there's a different level of trust and commitment. It's also legally binding which tends to make people respect that relationship more, or it should at least IMO. People also mature over time as well and their attitude towards relationships change. "Once a cheater always a cheater" isn't always true I don't think. Of course only J&K know the real truth and we all can only speculate and offer our views...

ETA: How do we know this ex-fiance is telling the truth? Now he's coming forward? Of course he is, there's $ to be had in trashing the Gosselins.

 

[longstangetrip]

-concerning Jon's "affair" it was said since people think he is having one, he probably is. (based on personal experiences).

-concerning Kate's "affair" it was said since people think she is having one, they are probably trying to shift the blame.

I don't think either of them have been loyal; be it physical or not. They have likely taken each other for granted and been inconsiderate. I just HOPE she doesn't continue on with filming while they go through a divorce. I also hope that they aren't announcing their divorce on TV. I pray that still have a bit of dignity.

 

[OhMari]

Usually this thread can discuss everything pretty civil,
but let's all try to remain "civil" and not debate the situation.
The "debate" board got shut down a couple of years ago.
We all "probably" know someone who has been cheated on,
etc.
Why don't we all just sit back and wait to see what Monday brings.
Even tv tabloids and the magazines can't get anything on the announcement.

 

[Buckalew11]

Well according to Kate's ex-fiance she cheated on him so if we are going to speculate we can always say. Once a cheater always a cheater.

I disagree with the whole "once a cheater, always a cheater." I think someone could cheat and then never cheat again. Whether or not I ever regained my trust, or wanted to save the marriage would be a different story.
I wasn't exactly faithful to boyfriends when dating. I'd hate to be judged as a wife on my past relationships. I've been faithful to my DH for 22 years but was not faithful as a ''dater" before marriage.

Well, now that is an interesting argument. Cheating before your married means you're prone to cheating in marriage? I guess I'm in trouble because my DH cheated on one of his girlfriends before we ever met! Dating and marriage are very different IMO...when you're married there's a different level of trust and commitment. It's also legally binding which tends to make people respect that relationship more, or it should at least IMO. People also mature over time as well and their attitude towards relationships change. "Once a cheater always a cheater" isn't always true I don't think. Of course only J&K know the real truth and we all can only speculate and offer our views...

ETA: How do we know this ex-fiance is telling the truth? Now he's coming forward? Of course he is, there's $ to be had in trashing the Gosselins.

I have no idea of J or K cheater. I still think even if either or both did, their marriage could be saved if they deeply wanted to change and stay together.

 

[Promomx2]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/kate-gosselin’s-got-brand-new-set-wheels
Kate bought herself a lovey $64,755 2009 Toyota Land Cruiser this afternoon, see radar link. How's that for a carbon footprint.

Yea, kate is REALLY WORRIED about her financial situation and providing for all the kids on her own.

 

[WaltD4Me]

I have a really hard time believing the contract thing and Kate telling Jon he could have girlfriends. Jon doesn't seem to be the brighest bulb and for Kate to actually think he would be careful enough not to get caught??? I think she would know better than that.

 

[momrek06]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/kate-gosselin’s-got-brand-new-set-wheels
Kate bought herself a lovey $64,755 2009 Toyota Land Cruiser.

Wow! Last night watching one of those entertainment shows...it stated that Jon was looking at NYC studio apts and the rent monthly would be around $3600.00. If the shows goes off the air....how will J&K afford all this, the home in PA., the NYC apt., the new car, etc etc? What does Jon do for work and I am assuming he will be paying child support if the divorce happens?

 

[C.Ann]

Wow! Last night watching one of those entertainment shows...it stated that Jon was looking at NYC studio apts and the rent monthly would be around $3600.00. If the shows goes off the air....how will J&K afford all this, the home in PA., the NYC apt., the new car, etc etc? What does Jon do for work and I am assuming he will be paying child support if the divorce happens?

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Since Kate is the one with the high-paying job (if Jon leaves the show), it wouldn't be the first time that the "wife" would have to pay support to the "husband"..

The one bedroom apartment thing? That leads me to believe that when Jon sees the kids (visitation), it will be at the house in PA - while Kate is off doing whatever..

Did someone say Kate bought a car that only seats 8? And Jon's car seats what - 2? Sounds like they're going to have to share the big van if they want to take all of the kids out at the same time..

Is Kate cheating? I don't know.. What I do know is that Kate is a very, very savvy person when it comes to presenting herself as a "victim" (whether it's in regards to Jon's alleged cheating or moaning about how she has to do everything "alone" with no help) - so my guess is that if there is anything going on with her and the body guard she is being extremely discreet about it.. Who knows what may - or may not - being going on behind closed doors?

What a mess! If only they had cancelled the show back when they still seemed to genuinely care about each other.. I was flipping through the channels one weekend and happened to see them on the couch - being very loving towards each other.. Yes - they were jabbing back and forth - but at that point it was in a more "playful" way - not demeaning.. They loved each other once - faults and all.. Maybe if they had stopped the show then - and gone with something like a yearly update - their world wouldn't have come crashing down around them.. Somewhere along the line they forgot that money does not buy happiness.. It's a sad lesson to have to learn the hard way..

 

[DreaGirl]

I have a really hard time believing the contract thing and Kate telling Jon he could have girlfriends. Jon doesn't seem to be the brighest bulb and for Kate to actually think he would be careful enough not to get caught??? I think she would know better than that.

I agree. She barely trusts Jon to clean up the kitchen, I don't see her trusting him to not get caught.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I agree. She barely trusts Jon to clean up the kitchen, I don't see her trusting him to not get caught.

Excellent point!

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

It's only a short clip, but Kate does look heartbroken to me. Jon, again, just looks defiant and cocky. He has always had an "oh well" attitude, now it just seems magnified. I can't imagine that Jon is really considering a one bedroom apartment in New York, but who knows. He could get a nice big house near the kids in PA for probably cheaper than Trump Plaza, but I don't think that's "how he rolls" anymore. I'm sorry, but I think he wants all the perks, but none of the responsibility.

I totally agree. And if he reallly is looking at renting a $3,000 + per month apartment...Jon loves the perks.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I agree. She barely trusts Jon to clean up the kitchen, I don't see her trusting him to not get caught.

 

[DreaGirl]

I totally agree. And if he reallly is looking at renting a $3,000 + per month apartment...Jon loves the perks.

It's pretty obvious to me that he enjoys the perks. His marriage is in shambles, he is all over the tabloids, and he looks miserable so what does he do...stays on the show and gets a custom motorcycle. I don't feel sorry for him at all. He had a chance to leave the show and he didn't...

 

[mrsksomeday]

He had a chance to leave the show and he didn't...

When did he have a chance to leave the show? I must have missed that somewhere. I thought they had a contract with TLC?

 

[Buckalew11]

It sounds to me like they are trying to see who can spend their money the fastest!!! Yikes!

 

[nuke]

It sounds to me like they are trying to see who can spend their money the fastest!!! Yikes!

Crazy isn't it?? how many cars do they own now?

 

[Seahunt]

The whole family was on a show this AM (flipping channels so I don't know which one but it had "Moms" in the title). I don't know when it was taped but I thought it was interesting that Kate was talking about how they are really trying to instill family loyalty, and that it was hard - and with that she gave Jon a very pointed look. It was so obvious she was sticking it to him, and his reaction was the typically defeated Jon look.

On the other hand, about the announcement again. Wouldn't it be something if we are all being "played"? What if this is all just a big PR scenario?
Maybe they'll come back with they will be back together, and everyone will be happy. Kate seems to always be on the cell, maybe she's always talking to Jon. Maybe they knew all the drama would be big $$$.