Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[DMRick]

What we do know from watching the show is that he said he doesn't want to do it anymore and she said well I do. In fact everything Jon has said she has dismissed. .

We really don't even know that. We only saw what TLC wanted us to see. He certainly seems to enjoy the money, and we have no idea if he (or she) has overspent and if she did want to continue, if that played into it (I'm actually making this up, because, well, we just don't know diddley). I think he liked it all until he found he couldn't do what he wanted because of the darn papazzi. We really don't know if or how long he's cheated, we don't know how much of Kate he took and what he gave back. We really don't know this family at all..just what Big Brother let us see.

 

[longstangetrip]

We really don't even know that. We only saw what TLC wanted us to see. He certainly seems to enjoy the money, and we have no idea if he (or she) has overspent and if she did want to continue, if that played into it (I'm actually making this up, because, well, we just don't know diddley). I think he liked it all until he found he couldn't do what he wanted because of the darn papazzi. We really don't know if or how long he's cheated, we don't know how much of Kate he took and what he gave back. We really don't know this family at all..just what Big Brother let us see.

I'm confused. Kate says, "what you see is us; the good, the bad, the ugly." So what are we missing? Are they loving, kind and compassionate toward one another when the cameras aren't rolling? Jon and Kate are producing right? They are TLC. Do they portray themselves negatively on purpose? We heard Jon say with his own mouth moving in time to the sound coming out that he wanted to stop the show; and Kate said she didn't. There is lots of speculation, but when they say something themselves, about themselves, what else can you believe?

 

[1stluvispooh]

No, I wouldn't want to make my DH miserable. But perhaps she really was oblivious to her treatment of Jon since she'd been doing it all along. Now that he's most likely cheated on her, I bet that was like getting cold water thrown in her face and she woke up. Perhaps by that point Jon didn't care and just wanted out regardless of what she said or tried to do. I'm certainly not defending her behavior but I just truly wonder what went on behind closed doors.



I actually disagree. This was one of the first times I've seen Kate look vunerable IMO. If you looked at her eyes and the sadness in her face, I actually think it was genuine. Maybe she is playing the victim but she has me fooled then. It looked as if she was in pain and Jon looked ready to leave. His resolve was very obvious whereas Kate looked miserable to be honest. Jon is SO not innocent in this thing. I think the reason Kate is more easily criticized is that she bluntly states who she is whereas Jon is more passive and quiet. He is half the parent in this family and has just as much say as Kate in whether the show continues or not. He certainly is enjoying his new bike, new earrings, new girlfriend, new car, new tractor, new clothes and so on. It's getting harder and harder to believe that he is so disgruntled with his lifestyle when it appears he is enjoying the perks. I think he's not enjoying Kate anymore and that's why he's unhappy. I don't know if I believe it's because he feels unfulfilled as a working Dad. Who knows, I could be totally off the mark. I guess we'll see come Monday.

I guess I feel that way because it is just sooooooooooooooo not Kate's normal behavior. And no I don't think Jon is innocent but I have a feeling that Jon would have an easier time going back to "normal" than Kate.

 

[mousey]

One of the late night talk shows describes Kate as running a sweat shop with the kids being the underpaid workers and her as the rich, uncaring boss who keeps making money off them. Nobody felt sorry for Kate when she was vacationing on the island or in San Diego. We knew this gravy train was coming to an end.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I meant Cara not Mady. Sorry my joke is not funny anymore since i messed it up.

No it's funnier because you have "messed it up "

 

[C.Ann]

We heard Jon say with his own mouth moving in time to the sound coming out that he wanted to stop the show; and Kate said she didn't. There is lots of speculation, but when they say something themselves, about themselves, what else can you believe?

Ventriloquists maybe??

 

[longstangetrip]

So after Jon clearing land and deciding where he wanted ALL those crooked houses to go, Kate said "no, I want them somewhere else."?


ventriloquist...that's good.

 

[nuke]

Ventriloquists maybe??

Must be!

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I'm confused. Kate says, "what you see is us; the good, the bad, the ugly." So what are we missing? Are they loving, kind and compassionate toward one another when the cameras aren't rolling? Jon and Kate are producing right? They are TLC. Do they portray themselves negatively on purpose? We heard Jon say with his own mouth moving in time to the sound coming out that he wanted to stop the show; and Kate said she didn't. There is lots of speculation, but when they say something themselves, about themselves, what else can you believe?

Actually didn't Jon just say that he was having trouble dealing with being Jon of J&K+8? That people know when he goes out and what he does. That's what I remember but I don't recall him actually saying he wanted to quit the show? I'm not saying your wrong just that I don't remember!

I guess I feel that way because it is just sooooooooooooooo not Kate's normal behavior. And no I don't think Jon is innocent but I have a feeling that Jon would have an easier time going back to "normal" than Kate.

Well if your DH cheated on you and the whole world knew about it and had seen the pictures I don't know that you'd have a "normal behavior" reaction. This is a huge issue so I don't know that it's quite fair to say her reaction should have been like normal Kate (ie: freaking out). Perhaps she's hurting more than we could imagine and this really is her reaction to it, the clip we saw with her looking broken and in pain. No matter what happened between them, having your spouse cheat on you would be hurtful. I just wonder how much there is we don't know, I'm guessing a lot.

What do you mean by "Jon would have an easier time going back to normal than Kate"?

 

[nuke]

Do we really know that Jon had an affair? I know it looks bad but he was never photographed doing more than sitting next to that chick.

 

[1stluvispooh]

What do you mean by "Jon would have an easier time going back to normal than Kate"?

I think that Jon wouldn't miss having the show and I think Kate would

 

[smschex]

Well this about had me in tears. I've not seen Kate like this, she looked completely broken and I have to say my heart ached for her. To me, it looked genuine. I know they've been having problems and I'm sure a good part of that was her fault (as well as Jon's.) But still, I think she she realizes that her life hasn't turned out the way she intended. I don't think she wanted things to come to this and (I'm putting on my imaginary flame suit here!) it seems like Jon is the one who's made the decision to move on. Jon's whole demeaner seemed to indicate he was done with Kate and wants out. Kate on the other hand looked heartbroken and her voice was full of sadness. My guess is that Jon decided he was through being Mr. Mom and resented Kate being away. So Jon strayed (I really think he had an affair) and Kate found out. There was I'm sure lots of anger on both ends and Jon probably decided he didn't care anymore, he was through. Who knows what their private conversations were like and who was willing to work on their marriage and who wasn't. But I'm beginning to believe what Kate said in the season premiere 'that it's just so complicated'. She said Jon resents her because she's gone but he doesn't want her home either. I certainly don't want them to divorce and if they do, I think Kate will be full of regrets and Jon will be happy to move on. And the kids. That is even sadder. If it's true that Jon is looking at apartments in NY, that's a far way from PA. What must the kids be thinking? Having their parents divorce will be a huge adjustment for them and I wonder what they think of the fact J&K promised them at the vow renewal they'd always be together. I still think J&K have made mistakes along this ridiculous road they've chosen, but I imagine they didn't envision this for themselves. And they've only been married 10 years. Wow, I must be hormonal or something! The whole situation is sad, even though I think they are both at fault. I wonder what Monday will bring...

This is exactly what I think, but worded more eloquently than I could. I keep remembering Kate with one of the kids in her lap explaining that the vow renewal meant the kids could be sure Mommy and Daddy would always be together. In the new clip she seems so broken. Maybe she honestly never realized how her absolute certainty about everything has affected Jon and those around her. The alleged affair must have been a horrible epiphany for her.

What do you think would happen if instead of trying to recapture his adolescence Jon decided to "man-up" and take responsibility for his family? He could get a real job. Surely he also has the right to refuse to let the kids participate in filming. Kate Minus Nine just doesn't sound as entertaining!

 

[DMRick]

Actually didn't Jon just say that he was having trouble dealing with being Jon of J&K+8? That people know when he goes out and what he does. That's what I remember but I don't recall him actually saying he wanted to quit the show? I'm not saying your wrong just that I don't remember!

That's what I thought he said, (as well as he said he might as well be in jail) but maybe I missed him actually saying I want to quit. I thought he also said I just don't know. And even then, there was a cut both before and after he said it, so how do we know what he said, or what she said? That's what I"m talking about, when I say we just hear what TLC wants us to hear...they seem to cut it and show them talking all in bits and pieces. I don't mean we don't hear them saying stuff..but I think TLC cuts it, to make it more what they want..for ratings. I wish they had let it play out and we heard complete paragraphs.Can someone tell me which show it was, where he actually said, I want to quit? I really did miss it, I'm not being smart. I have heard other's say he said it, but I had rewatched both shows a couple of times, and I really missed him saying he wanted to quit the show. If he said he wasn't sure he wanted to go on, do we know if he meant the show, or the marriage?

Originally Posted by longstangetrip
We heard Jon say with his own mouth moving in time to the sound coming out that he wanted to stop the show; and Kate said she didn't. There is lots of speculation, but when they say something themselves, about themselves, what else can you believe?

I have erased the last show from last year. What exactely did he say? If he actually said, I want to quit the show and when he was talking it was in it's entirety (nothing cut just before or after), I missed it. Can someone who actually has the taping still, repeat that for me?

And the other thing I find interesting, about all his remarks that he had trouble dealing with being Jon of Jon and Kate + 8..they had a 2 year contract. Perhaps he should have thought about that, when he was thinking of the money..that he would actually have to honor it.

As for producing..I'd like to see just what they produce. I wonder if they gave them that 'name' as another perk, because they obviously don't have a lot to do with what is shown, or they wouldn't show the parts that make them look like idiots.

 

[DMRick]

So after Jon clearing land and deciding where he wanted ALL those crooked houses to go, Kate said "no, I want them somewhere else."?

Maybe she'll explain further, but I had the impression she didn't want them too far from the house, down in the woods.

 

[JennaTX]

I agree that it's all very sad but i disagree that Jon has decided to move on. We don't know that.

What we do know from watching the show is that he said he doesn't want to do it anymore and she said well I do. In fact everything Jon has said she has dismissed. If this is how it is on the show it must be quadrupled in their real life. She has probably dismissed him from day 1. That is a sure fire way to ruin your relationship because if you aren't communicating and giving in a bit you really don't have a relationship.

This is what I don't understand. People who say that Jon has said he doesn't want to do the show anymore.....but oh wait, we have a chance with the OC, they will build me a bike...okay then I will do it.

IMO both Kate and Jon take advantage of the perks.

 

[Seahunt]

Back to being serious - for just one moment.. The more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to believe that this sudden, dramatic, one-hour special with a "big announcement" may turn out to be nothing more than a last ditch attempt for TLC to pull back the viewers and make a bundle of money off of it before they pull the plug.. Their viewers have been dropping off like dead flies since the Season 5 opener and I'm sure they're not happy about that..

I agree that the announcement is to bring viewers back in. I think it's going to be that Jon is leaving Kate to marry Octomom! Just kidding, it's probably just going to be that Jon isn't going to do the show anymore, but Kate and the kids will continue. I had never seen that Blind Gossip site that someone else mentioned on here, but they say that they want to do another 2 plus YEARS of the show!

http://blindgossip.com/index.php/2009/06/18/they-will-be-dragging-out-the-divorce/

In the video clip about the show, did anyone else notice how in Kate's interview (when she's wearing the pink) she has her feet propped up and it looks like her feet are filthy (directly facing the camera)? Now tell me WHY a camera or production person let that go out on air? She's such a clean freak and if I was her I would be so irate at them if I didn't know and they filmed it. Maybe I'm wrong and it's not dirt but just a shadow across her feet - I hope for her sake! It's hard to see in my pic but in the video clip they look black and the camera is right there on 'em. The next tabloid headline will probably be "Kate Strangles Camera Guy"!

Does anyone else want the big announcement to be "Our marriage is in serious trouble and we owe it to ourselves and our kids to make every effort to repair it"?

I know she gets the bad rap most of the time, but IMO he is the one who doesn't care anymore and she is doing what needs to be done.

Maybe they did unofficially separate several months ago - shortly before the pics of him with the teacher came out. With his current dress, car, etc. he just seems immature, like he's rebelling against being the dad. That's sad, too.

I would really like to see them in some type of spiritual counseling.

And speaking of rebellion, I just noticed that he now has pierced ears, are those new? Sorry it's hard to see in my pic, but in the clip they are flashy, like diamonds:

I also read some reports today that he was looking at apartments in Trump Tower. Bachelor pad?

"Kate has been with her bodyguard more than her husband."

This is from the radaronline article that newtodis posted..is this really true about Kate and her bodyguard?

Well, on one report on E they said that she had 50 engagements last year and he (Steve N) was with her on every one. He was with her on vacation in NC (in the $10,000 per week rental house), in his sandals - and sometimes shirtless - so in my mind he's not being very bodyguard-y anymore.

It could be that Kate felt that Jon was just another kid for her to raise, and that's why she was constantly on his case. Maybe being around Steve N felt like being with a real man? Could be that is very attractive to her, and so even if there were no affairs and nothing else happened, maybe Jon just didn't measure up anymore.

 

[EdiePA]

One of the late night talk shows describes Kate as running a sweat shop with the kids being the underpaid workers and her as the rich, uncaring boss who keeps making money off them.

Okay, but aren't the viewers, then, also to blame? I admit I used to watch the show, but I quit when the first "big announcement" came. If nobody watched the show, if nobody shared in the feeding frenzy of "Where is John now?", would there still be a show? Would these young victims, I mean children, still be being exploited? I think we all have take a part in the demise of this family and that saddens me.

That's why I won't be watching on Monday night.

Edie

 

[WaltD4Me]

It's only a short clip, but Kate does look heartbroken to me. Jon, again, just looks defiant and cocky. He has always had an "oh well" attitude, now it just seems magnified. I can't imagine that Jon is really considering a one bedroom apartment in New York, but who knows. He could get a nice big house near the kids in PA for probably cheaper than Trump Plaza, but I don't think that's "how he rolls" anymore. I'm sorry, but I think he wants all the perks, but none of the responsibility.

 

[MichelleVW]

ok....I can't keep up....but just popping in to say I had a dream about my BFF Kate last night.

 

[MichelleVW]

Do we really know that Jon had an affair? I know it looks bad but he was never photographed doing more than sitting next to that chick.

I've seen a few affairs and many many denials. Pretty much if people "think" you are having an affair, you probably are.

I think that Jon wouldn't miss having the show and I think Kate would

I think Jon would really really miss the perks.....