Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 4

[longstangetrip]

Jon seems to be enjoying the "new" Jon. Fast cars, parties, smoking, earrings...looks like he may be enjoying the single life.

I think it would be good for Jon to get a job, he and Kate were together to much once he quit his IT job. If he does move out into this NY apartment, I certainly hope they don't really split up the kids. How awful.

Depending on what happens Monday..I think I may be done with this show. It has become to depressing.

I'm not so sure this is a new Jon. From all accounts he and his brothers have always been hard hitters. He is a perpetual adolescent. Our society encourages this of course. People are "teenagers" from age 5-55. We think it's cute when little kids act like smart alek teens, the teens know everything on TV (Hannah Montana, etc.) and parents know nothing, and adults are supposed to act and dress like college kids. Jon loves the tups I feel CERTAIN, but he did not want more kids. In my experiences with spouses who disagree on this issue, it spells disaster.

By the way... I don't think anyone posting here truly believes ones clothes, hair or tan REALLY matter. It's a blog site set up for observation and critique about a family who has chosen to star in a TV show about their "real" life. Speculating about what might happen or could have been is not that different to me. Kate appears neurotic to many people. That is why she has caused such a media frenzy from the VERY beginning. Before the tups were born, she was controversial in her community. "Get a load of her" has always been the way she seems to want it. I was never a fan, but have always been fascinated. I love multiples. She is most likely not evil, mean or bad. I think she is in over her head with this reality show, and I truly hope they all come out of it healthy. I honestly think Kate is much worse off emotionally than the kids. After Monday, that could change.

 

[longstangetrip]

I If Kate says one more time that her kdis are the most important thing to her I am going to scream! That is the entire problem lady - your husband should be first, not your kids! THose kids will never know "peace" once their parents divorce - they will always long for their parents to be together... I do feel soooooooooo bad for those beautiful kids!

That's an intersting point. A regular on this thread recently said she felt it was important to put your spouse before your kids, as your marriage is there after the kids have grown up. I just don't know that Kate ever put Jon or his feelings first. We do know he wanted to stop the show, she said no. We also know he wanted to stop having babies after the twins, but they had six more. I am not on team Jon necessarily. I just think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ws-kate-gosselin-we’ve-been-dealing-long-time

not sure how long this one will be up ... I can see where someone would want it removed.

never mind .. it seems that TLC has released this video. It's also on Extra.

Well this about had me in tears. I've not seen Kate like this, she looked completely broken and I have to say my heart ached for her. To me, it looked genuine. I know they've been having problems and I'm sure a good part of that was her fault (as well as Jon's.) But still, I think she she realizes that her life hasn't turned out the way she intended. I don't think she wanted things to come to this and (I'm putting on my imaginary flame suit here!) it seems like Jon is the one who's made the decision to move on. Jon's whole demeaner seemed to indicate he was done with Kate and wants out. Kate on the other hand looked heartbroken and her voice was full of sadness. My guess is that Jon decided he was through being Mr. Mom and resented Kate being away. So Jon strayed (I really think he had an affair) and Kate found out. There was I'm sure lots of anger on both ends and Jon probably decided he didn't care anymore, he was through. Who knows what their private conversations were like and who was willing to work on their marriage and who wasn't. But I'm beginning to believe what Kate said in the season premiere 'that it's just so complicated'. She said Jon resents her because she's gone but he doesn't want her home either. I certainly don't want them to divorce and if they do, I think Kate will be full of regrets and Jon will be happy to move on. And the kids. That is even sadder. If it's true that Jon is looking at apartments in NY, that's a far way from PA. What must the kids be thinking? Having their parents divorce will be a huge adjustment for them and I wonder what they think of the fact J&K promised them at the vow renewal they'd always be together. I still think J&K have made mistakes along this ridiculous road they've chosen, but I imagine they didn't envision this for themselves. And they've only been married 10 years. Wow, I must be hormonal or something! The whole situation is sad, even though I think they are both at fault. I wonder what Monday will bring...

 

[Teresa Pitman]

I agree, it is terribly sad.

When I watched this show in the early days, I often thought that Kate reminded me of two women that I knew. They both had the same tendency to criticize and demean their husbands. (On a rerun I caught the other day, Jon is on the couch and retelling something that happened that day, and she rolls her eyes at him and says "oh, you just ramble." It's just rude.) Both of their husbands seemed to accept it, although they would at times get in their own little digs. (If they tried to confront their wives, they would get an explosion, so they tended not to.)

Both of those other couples are now divorced, so I'm not surprised to see what's happening with J&K. I just don't think anyone can take a constant diet of being criticized for everything from "not using a coupon" to "breathing." I do think Kate cared for Jon - there does seem to be some real affection in the earlier episodes - but she was so critical and bossy with him.

I'm not saying his affair (if it happened) was justified by that, or that she drove him into it. But a relationship with so much criticism, especially in such a demeaning way, is likely to fall apart, one way or another.

Teresa

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

Well this about had me in tears. I've not seen Kate like this, she looked completely broken and I have to say my heart ached for her. To me, it looked genuine. I know they've been having problems and I'm sure a good part of that was her fault (as well as Jon's.) But still, I think she she realizes that her life hasn't turned out the way she intended. I don't think she wanted things to come to this and (I'm putting on my imaginary flame suit here!) it seems like Jon is the one who's made the decision to move on. Jon's whole demeaner seemed to indicate he was done with Kate and wants out. Kate on the other hand looked heartbroken and her voice was full of sadness. My guess is that Jon decided he was through being Mr. Mom and resented Kate being away. So Jon strayed (I really think he had an affair) and Kate found out. There was I'm sure lots of anger on both ends and Jon probably decided he didn't care anymore, he was through. Who knows what their private conversations were like and who was willing to work on their marriage and who wasn't. But I'm beginning to believe what Kate said in the season premiere 'that it's just so complicated'. She said Jon resents her because she's gone but he doesn't want her home either. I certainly don't want them to divorce and if they do, I think Kate will be full of regrets and Jon will be happy to move on. And the kids. That is even sadder. If it's true that Jon is looking at apartments in NY, that's a far way from PA. What must the kids be thinking? Having their parents divorce will be a huge adjustment for them and I wonder what they think of the fact J&K promised them at the vow renewal they'd always be together. I still think J&K have made mistakes along this ridiculous road they've chosen, but I imagine they didn't envision this for themselves. And they've only been married 10 years. Wow, I must be hormonal or something! The whole situation is sad, even though I think they are both at fault. I wonder what Monday will bring...

ITA...and you are not just hormonal.

This whole thing is just so very sad. I wonder if Kate felt this was coming back when they did the Hawaii renewal thing and that was her way of trying to hold on. I just remember her saying over and over that they would always be together...almost as if she was trying to make herself believe it.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Well this about had me in tears. I've not seen Kate like this, she looked completely broken and I have to say my heart ached for her. To me, it looked genuine. I know they've been having problems and I'm sure a good part of that was her fault (as well as Jon's.) But still, I think she she realizes that her life hasn't turned out the way she intended. I don't think she wanted things to come to this and (I'm putting on my imaginary flame suit here!) it seems like Jon is the one who's made the decision to move on. Jon's whole demeaner seemed to indicate he was done with Kate and wants out. Kate on the other hand looked heartbroken and her voice was full of sadness. My guess is that Jon decided he was through being Mr. Mom and resented Kate being away. So Jon strayed (I really think he had an affair) and Kate found out. There was I'm sure lots of anger on both ends and Jon probably decided he didn't care anymore, he was through. Who knows what their private conversations were like and who was willing to work on their marriage and who wasn't. But I'm beginning to believe what Kate said in the season premiere 'that it's just so complicated'. She said Jon resents her because she's gone but he doesn't want her home either. I certainly don't want them to divorce and if they do, I think Kate will be full of regrets and Jon will be happy to move on. And the kids. That is even sadder. If it's true that Jon is looking at apartments in NY, that's a far way from PA. What must the kids be thinking? Having their parents divorce will be a huge adjustment for them and I wonder what they think of the fact J&K promised them at the vow renewal they'd always be together. I still think J&K have made mistakes along this ridiculous road they've chosen, but I imagine they didn't envision this for themselves. And they've only been married 10 years. Wow, I must be hormonal or something! The whole situation is sad, even though I think they are both at fault. I wonder what Monday will bring...

I agree. The clip is very sad. He definitely looks like he's checked out. Defiant. She looks vulnerable, bewildered. I remember seeing snippets of the family together and happy. Awful how things have changed.

Come to think of it, just about every marriage (I can think of) associated with reality TV has crumbled.

 

[TanyaLovesPooh]

I agree. The clip is very sad. He definitely looks like he's checked out. Defiant. She looks vulnerable, bewildered. I remember seeing snippets of the family together and happy. Awful how things have changed.

Come to think of it, just about every marriage (I can think of) associated with reality TV has crumbled.

You called it exacly...Jon looks defiant. And I don't think we have seen Kate look so lost.

 

[Epcot luvr]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/kate-gosselin’s-got-brand-new-set-wheels
Kate bought herself a lovey $64,755 2009 Toyota Land Cruiser this afternoon, see radar link. How's that for a carbon footprint.

 

[1stluvispooh]

That's an intersting point. A regular on this thread recently said she felt it was important to put your spouse before your kids, as your marriage is there after the kids have grown up. I just don't know that Kate ever put Jon or his feelings first. We do know he wanted to stop the show, she said no. We also know he wanted to stop having babies after the twins, but they had six more. I am not on team Jon necessarily. I just think we have only seen the tip of the iceberg.

I have always felt that way about Kate. What it really boils down to with me is do you real want to do something that will make your spouse miserable? Not me.

 

[1stluvispooh]

I agree. The clip is very sad. He definitely looks like he's checked out. Defiant. She looks vulnerable, bewildered. I remember seeing snippets of the family together and happy. Awful how things have changed.

Come to think of it, just about every marriage (I can think of) associated with reality TV has crumbled.

I just have a hard time belive that Kate is truly vulnerable. Ok there is a part of me that wonders if Kate feels like she should play "the victim" and then she might have a show when she is a single mom.

 

[jpaxton1118]

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009/06/kate-gosselin’s-got-brand-new-set-wheels
Kate bought herself a lovey $64,755 2009 Toyota Land Cruiser this afternoon, see radar link. How's that for a carbon footprint.

Well if it only seats 8 then which kid is she going to leave behind?

 

[DMRick]

Careful..I could have written this. We might end up more alike than apart .

Well this about had me in tears. I've not seen Kate like this, she looked completely broken and I have to say my heart ached for her. To me, it looked genuine. I know they've been having problems and I'm sure a good part of that was her fault (as well as Jon's.) But still, I think she she realizes that her life hasn't turned out the way she intended. I don't think she wanted things to come to this and (I'm putting on my imaginary flame suit here!) it seems like Jon is the one who's made the decision to move on. Jon's whole demeaner seemed to indicate he was done with Kate and wants out. Kate on the other hand looked heartbroken and her voice was full of sadness. My guess is that Jon decided he was through being Mr. Mom and resented Kate being away. So Jon strayed (I really think he had an affair) and Kate found out. There was I'm sure lots of anger on both ends and Jon probably decided he didn't care anymore, he was through. Who knows what their private conversations were like and who was willing to work on their marriage and who wasn't. But I'm beginning to believe what Kate said in the season premiere 'that it's just so complicated'. She said Jon resents her because she's gone but he doesn't want her home either. I certainly don't want them to divorce and if they do, I think Kate will be full of regrets and Jon will be happy to move on. And the kids. That is even sadder. If it's true that Jon is looking at apartments in NY, that's a far way from PA. What must the kids be thinking? Having their parents divorce will be a huge adjustment for them and I wonder what they think of the fact J&K promised them at the vow renewal they'd always be together. I still think J&K have made mistakes along this ridiculous road they've chosen, but I imagine they didn't envision this for themselves. And they've only been married 10 years. Wow, I must be hormonal or something! The whole situation is sad, even though I think they are both at fault. I wonder what Monday will bring...

 

[Epcot luvr]

Well if it only seats 8 then which kid is she going to leave behind?

Maybe it's a sign of things to come, hmmm. Kate plus 7?? Jon plus one??

How many cars do they have, I seriously lost track?

 

[3prettyprincesses]

I have always felt that way about Kate. What it really boils down to with me is do you real want to do something that will make your spouse miserable? Not me.

No, I wouldn't want to make my DH miserable. But perhaps she really was oblivious to her treatment of Jon since she'd been doing it all along. Now that he's most likely cheated on her, I bet that was like getting cold water thrown in her face and she woke up. Perhaps by that point Jon didn't care and just wanted out regardless of what she said or tried to do. I'm certainly not defending her behavior but I just truly wonder what went on behind closed doors.

I just have a hard time belive that Kate is truly vulnerable. Ok there is a part of me that wonders if Kate feels like she should play "the victim" and then she might have a show when she is a single mom.

I actually disagree. This was one of the first times I've seen Kate look vunerable IMO. If you looked at her eyes and the sadness in her face, I actually think it was genuine. Maybe she is playing the victim but she has me fooled then. It looked as if she was in pain and Jon looked ready to leave. His resolve was very obvious whereas Kate looked miserable to be honest. Jon is SO not innocent in this thing. I think the reason Kate is more easily criticized is that she bluntly states who she is whereas Jon is more passive and quiet. He is half the parent in this family and has just as much say as Kate in whether the show continues or not. He certainly is enjoying his new bike, new earrings, new girlfriend, new car, new tractor, new clothes and so on. It's getting harder and harder to believe that he is so disgruntled with his lifestyle when it appears he is enjoying the perks. I think he's not enjoying Kate anymore and that's why he's unhappy. I don't know if I believe it's because he feels unfulfilled as a working Dad. Who knows, I could be totally off the mark. I guess we'll see come Monday.

 

[jpaxton1118]

Maybe it's a sign of things to come, hmmm. Kate plus 7?? Jon plus one??

How many cars do they have, I seriously lost track?

I was thinking maybe he would take Mady, they seem to get along the best.

Ok people before you flame me I am joking.

 

[Epcot luvr]

l:

I was thinking maybe he would take Mady, they seem to get along the best.

Ok people before you flame me I am joking.

If what I read today in one of the tabs is true, I have a feeling that might be how things turn out. Maybe not now but when she is 16.

 

[nuke]

Well this about had me in tears. I've not seen Kate like this, she looked completely broken and I have to say my heart ached for her. To me, it looked genuine. I know they've been having problems and I'm sure a good part of that was her fault (as well as Jon's.) But still, I think she she realizes that her life hasn't turned out the way she intended. I don't think she wanted things to come to this and (I'm putting on my imaginary flame suit here!) it seems like Jon is the one who's made the decision to move on. Jon's whole demeaner seemed to indicate he was done with Kate and wants out. Kate on the other hand looked heartbroken and her voice was full of sadness. My guess is that Jon decided he was through being Mr. Mom and resented Kate being away. So Jon strayed (I really think he had an affair) and Kate found out. There was I'm sure lots of anger on both ends and Jon probably decided he didn't care anymore, he was through. Who knows what their private conversations were like and who was willing to work on their marriage and who wasn't. But I'm beginning to believe what Kate said in the season premiere 'that it's just so complicated'. She said Jon resents her because she's gone but he doesn't want her home either. I certainly don't want them to divorce and if they do, I think Kate will be full of regrets and Jon will be happy to move on. And the kids. That is even sadder. If it's true that Jon is looking at apartments in NY, that's a far way from PA. What must the kids be thinking? Having their parents divorce will be a huge adjustment for them and I wonder what they think of the fact J&K promised them at the vow renewal they'd always be together. I still think J&K have made mistakes along this ridiculous road they've chosen, but I imagine they didn't envision this for themselves. And they've only been married 10 years. Wow, I must be hormonal or something! The whole situation is sad, even though I think they are both at fault. I wonder what Monday will bring...

I agree that it's all very sad but i disagree that Jon has decided to move on. We don't know that.

What we do know from watching the show is that he said he doesn't want to do it anymore and she said well I do. In fact everything Jon has said she has dismissed. If this is how it is on the show it must be quadrupled in their real life. She has probably dismissed him from day 1. That is a sure fire way to ruin your relationship because if you aren't communicating and giving in a bit you really don't have a relationship.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

Careful..I could have written this. We might end up more alike than apart .

I know, right! The more I think it over and now that I've seen the little clip from Monday's episode, I wonder what truly has been going on with J&K. I think they're both to blame in their own way for letting it get to this point and it makes me sad. Like I've said I don't wish for them to divorce. It would make me happy (and restore my faith in people a little) if they came out of this still together and respectful of each other. I know that's unlikely given what we've seen so far but I honestly wish it were so. I've seen Kate treat Jon like a child and I've seen Jon yell right back at her. I've seen her playing with the kids or marveling over something cute or silly they've said and look so happy. I've also seen her lose her cool over small things too. And just for the record, I thought she looked fabulous in all her bikinis! I certainly wouldn't mind looking that good.

 

[OceanAnnie]

No, I wouldn't want to make my DH miserable. But perhaps she really was oblivious to her treatment of Jon since she'd been doing it all along. Now that he's most likely cheated on her, I bet that was like getting cold water thrown in her face and she woke up. Perhaps by that point Jon didn't care and just wanted out regardless of what she said or tried to do. I'm certainly not defending her behavior but I just truly wonder what went on behind closed doors.



I actually disagree. This was one of the first times I've seen Kate look vunerable IMO. If you looked at her eyes and the sadness in her face, I actually think it was genuine. Maybe she is playing the victim but she has me fooled then. It looked as if she was in pain and Jon looked ready to leave. His resolve was very obvious whereas Kate looked miserable to be honest. Jon is SO not innocent in this thing. I think the reason Kate is more easily criticized is that she bluntly states who she is whereas Jon is more passive and quiet. He is half the parent in this family and has just as much say as Kate in whether the show continues or not. He certainly is enjoying his new bike, new earrings, new girlfriend, new car, new tractor, new clothes and so on. It's getting harder and harder to believe that he is so disgruntled with his lifestyle when it appears he is enjoying the perks. I think he's not enjoying Kate anymore and that's why he's unhappy. I don't know if I believe it's because he feels unfulfilled as a working Dad. Who knows, I could be totally off the mark. I guess we'll see come Monday.

I agree with all of the above. I also think that the way Kate addressed Jon might have been habit and she truly didn't know how he perceived it. He might not have perceived it as all that bad, before the show started taping. In addition, I'm sure Jon took quite a bit of criticism from other men in his life and/or viewers for taking what Kate dished out. I bet he not only got criticism but the, "poor Jon" routine from a lot of women too.

Jon certainly looks like he's a poster boy for the song, "I'm not going to take it.". He looks like he's ready to flip off the world. But he is having his cake and eating it too. He does have all the trappings while bemoaning the celebrity.

Flaunting an affair is too much. I don't care what Kate did or didn't do. Between the attitude he displays and the flaunting of the affair, it's hard for me to find any sympathy for him.

 

[jpaxton1118]

I was thinking maybe he would take Mady, they seem to get along the best.

Ok people before you flame me I am joking.

I meant Cara not Mady. Sorry my joke is not funny anymore since i messed it up.