Jon and Kate Plus 8, Official Thread-Part 3

[Promomx2]

IMO, if you look up the defiintion of "hypocrite-one who pretends to be pious, virtuous, etc. without really being so." = Kate Gosselin.

 

[madge]

True.

But now that J&K (and the kids) have had a taste of the "good life" it would/will be hard to give it all up. It's got to be nice to have a big beautiful house, go on wonderful vacations, be able to send your kids to good schools and not have to worry about money in general.

Mady and Cara have always gone to the same school -- when the show started, they went on scholarship or on the donations of others. I'm not sure if they still do.

 

[C.Ann]

No one is questioning whether or not Jon & Kate love their children (I'm certainly not), just if what they are doing is or will be best for their children in the long run.. My opinion is that it is not and will not be in their best interest..

"Lack of love" - from either parent - is definitely not one of the things that concerns me..

Everyone has their own opinion - and is every bit as entitled to that opinion as I am to mine.. Certainly not worth arguing about..

 

[MM27]

I don't hate Kate and there are many others on here that feel the same. However, she does make me crazy when she is saying one thing and doing another. Case in point...on Larry King Live this past Thursday she said the kids are her focus, the most important thing and she loves them to pieces. Their b-day is Sunday and she is so thankful and excited. Right, that's why today she's in Arkansas and then 2 days after their b-day she's gone again for days.

But she'll be there for their birthday right? Isn't that what matters?

 

[Buckalew11]

But she'll be there for their birthday right? Isn't that what matters?

that's what I was thinking.

 

[pweyl36]

But if they didn't have the show, books, and interviews how would they make a living? If Jon went back to being an IT guy and Kate went back to being a nurse I wonder if they would get by financially, even in a more modest house. I can see where Kate is coming from. It may not be ideal, but maybe it's better than the alternative.


The same way every body else with 8 or more kids. Look at the table for 12 family. The dad works and the mom stays home. How do they do it?

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

The same way every body else with 8 or more kids. Look at the table for 12 family. The dad works and the mom stays home. How do they do it?

Um, they have a reality show.

 

[DreaGirl]

Mady and Cara have always gone to the same school -- when the show started, they went on scholarship or on the donations of others. I'm not sure if they still do.

I think Cara and Mady were going to a public school for K and switched to the private school for 1st grade.

 

[pweyl36]

Um, they have a reality show.

They just got the show, The dad worked and still works.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

They just got the show, The dad worked and still works.

They had a special before that, and we don't know, at least I don't know, as much about their history. Were they making it? Did they have helpers? Jon worked in the beginning of their show, too.

 

[Buckalew11]

So what, do you know how many part time parents (at best) there are out there? That's life; is it ideal??? Of course not, but it is life. Ppl. have to go away and sacrifice for their jobs ALL the time, she is no different, and I don't know why ppl. try to act like it's fine for the rest of us to be part time parents (at best) but if Kate does it, then she doesn't love her kids and doesn't care about them Kate was a full time only mom of 8 kids for years, while Jon worked. Jon's not working, and she feels the need to provide for her family, and yes she's making more money than most of us, but I'm sure she feels it's what her family needs (since she never knows when it'll all go away.) Yes, she's said many times that she loves what she does...hmmm instead of critizing her, why don't we congratulate her on finding something she enjoys and is able to make money at???? I really enjoy my job, and I'm sure most ppl. would like to enjoy their career. Also, in all honesty we really have no idea how much she's home or not, although I'd bet my money that in reality I'm sure she's home more than a good amount of other career driven parents.

I think it's all about your perspective. In all honesty, most ppl. don't necessarily only work to just "make ends meet." They work to make their ends meets (just like Kate) but in all honesty, most ppl. that are "part time parents" don't necessarily have to be. They're doing it to make their ends meet, and what they've come acustom to as their way of life (just like Kate.) Sure right now, they make a lot of money (also have a lot more expenses than I do,) but Kate's not stupid, she knows none of it will last for ever, and I'm willing to bet the show ends long before her speaking engagements, book writing ect. It's all in perspective. I don't think there's anyway that if they quit the show right now and the speaking (or even just one of them) that they'd be able to keep the lifestyle they have right now (just like me or other ppl., just for me on a smaller scale.) Almost everyone can live more modestly than they are, but they and Kate choose not to for a number of reasons, and I don't think it makes them love their kids any less, I think most if not all do it for their kids. Don't get me wrong, as an outsider looking in, I can say they may need to take a break for a while (although really I have no idea what things are like at home ect.) but I think to say that Kate's only doing these things for herself, is blantantly incorrect, at least as I've always seen things when watching the show and following their story.

I'm wondering if all these people who are critizing her and judging her are stay at home parents winning mother of the year awards.
And who knows, things may have been going downhill all season for this family. Kate may have decided that she wants to be able to spport herself and kids if they divorce. maybe this is her way of doing a back-up plan. People's lives change all the time. Often mothers return to work. I just don't understand the "fun" in tearing down this woman.

Geeze, cry me a river. I know families right now whose husbands have been laid off or have taken a lower salary job because of the economy. Sorry, J&K have it good even paying taxes on their millions of dollars. Why are their kids entitled to that lifestyle, just because there's 8 of them? Kate says that her kids "deserve" to have the big new house, deserve all kinds of things. I know many families busting their butts to make ends meet and we're all supposed to feel sorry for J&K having to pay taxes on their millions? I don't feel that way. This wonderful opportunity has put her children in the care of a nanny, has taught them to be self-centered and to believe that everything revolves around them because they're on TV. How's that for learning experiences, as Kate loves to say. Sadly, they are setting up those kids to be selfish, demanding and egotistical. Years from now when Kate is pulling out her hair over her teenage kids, I wonder if she'll still think it was all worth it.

The bolded is very telling of why people are so critical of Kate Gosselin.

Um, they have a reality show.

yes, even if the dad does work and the mom stays home and even though this is new series, they took it for a reason, didn't they? honestly, i watched it one night and wondered how anyone could live like that. maybe they'll grow on me.

 

[pweyl36]

They had a special before that, and we don't know, at least I don't know, as much about their history. Were they making it? Did they have helpers? Jon worked in the beginning of their show, too.

The point I was trying to make,is that people with large families get by fine with out any help. If the show stops then its back to work for the both of them. And the just might have to sell the house,because the taxes in Pa are high.

 

[3prettyprincesses]

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I'm wondering if all these people who are critizing her and judging her are stay at home parents winning mother of the year awards.
And who knows, things may have been going downhill all season for this family. Kate may have decided that she wants to be able to spport herself and kids if they divorce. maybe this is her way of doing a back-up plan. People's lives change all the time. Often mothers return to work. I just don't understand the "fun" in tearing down this woman.



The bolded is very telling of why people are so critical of Kate Gosselin.

Hmmm, so are you now being critical of me? I'm not in the least jealous of J&K's income. My DH makes very good money which allows me to stay home with my 3 daughters. I am grateful and thankful (especially in this economy) for that opportunity. I also have friends/family who aren't as fortunate.

You are completely missing my point. Completely. Let me be more clear. If you actually read the post I was responding to, I was addressing the fact they have to pay taxes on their millions of dollars. I don't feel sorry for them in that respect that they have to pay taxes on millions. To me, that's not a reason for Kate to continually write books and go on book tours which takes her away from her family. My point is that they're not anymore entitled just because they have a large family. Geez, you made it seem like I was acting like I wish it were me that was generating that income. Anyhow, I certainly wouldn't choose the lifestyle they have given what they're (in my opinion) sacrificing. Silly me, here I thought I was allowed to express my opinion. It's too bad you read more into my statement than was implied.

 

[Skatermom23]

Hmmm, so are you now being critical of me? I'm not in the least jealous of J&K's income. My DH makes very good money which allows me to stay home with my 3 daughters. I am grateful and thankful (especially in this economy) for that opportunity. I also have friends/family who aren't as fortunate.

You are completely missing my point. Completely. Let me be more clear. If you actually read the post I was responding to, I was addressing the fact they have to pay taxes on their millions of dollars. I don't feel sorry for them in that respect that they have to pay taxes on millions. To me, that's not a reason for Kate to continually write books and go on book tours which takes her away from her family. My point is that they're not anymore entitled just because they have a large family. Geez, you made it seem like I was acting like I wish it were me that was generating that income. Anyhow, I certainly wouldn't choose the lifestyle they have given what they're (in my opinion) sacrificing. Silly me, here I thought I was allowed to express my opinion. It's too bad you read more into my statement than was implied.

I wish I knew how to cut and paste multiple comments but since I don't, I will just say that it does sound like you might be a bit envious of her situation. You might not want that income potential, but your posts indicate that no one should want it either. Sure no one is entitled to anything, but the fact that she is willing to do this for her family doesn't make it wrong. We have no idea what is going on between this couple. They may have tired to keep some sense of private time to themselves and Kate is just trying to keep her childrens future in focus.

 

[madge]

I think Cara and Mady were going to a public school for K and switched to the private school for 1st grade.

I thought I understood that they'd always been at the same Christian school, the same place they went to preschool? I guess not. LOL

 

[Buckalew11]

Sorry, that was the the way I read it.

I just wonder why people care so much that Kate wants to write books and go on book tours? Would people be critical of other working mom's schedules? Or volunteering moms? Or mom's that don't work/have to work but put their kids in daycare/preschool a few days a week anyway? Why would anyone need to judge that mom's decision?

Of course you can express your opinion. We all can. It is what we do on message boards.

I see a difference in saying, "Gosh, that Kate treats Jon terribly on camera" and saying that she is making a mistake by writing books and doing a book tour (as all or most all people do when they write a book) and being away from home during that time. I just do not understand why anyone thinks they should judge that.
That's just my opinion though. And we all have one...

 

[DMRick]

I'm not sure why you quoted what you did from what I said. I didn't say you said they didn't love their children. I don't know why you bolded what you did and then responded how you did.
And no one is flaming you. It's called a discussion. I don't happen to agree with you that Kate needs to be home all the time in order to be considered a good mother. A lot of assuming, but I assume that is why Jon became a sahd..so Kate could fulfill the book tour. I also said I have no idea how much time she is away from home. Perhaps she has an agreement that she is never away more than 3 days..I have no idea.
All logic is not being ignored LOL. Just not everyone agrees with YOUR logic. Since we don't really know the private lives beyond the taping, we don't know what the logic is.
Heck we don't even know how long the traveling for the book is going to last. How much traveling makes her a bad mother? A week at a time? A month, three days with just dad (and who knows who else) home? Six months? As I said earlier, I assume it was part of the book deal, and if so, I imagine it will not last forever. I thought that was pretty logical.
Maybe she really is selfish and is doing all of the traveling just for herself. I don't know that either.

As for the family of twelve..how do we know how long before they have a book and do some traveling? How much are they getting paid? Will they end up down the same path if the money gets to be more, if they end up popular? Will they then be criticized? Who the heck knows. I don't.

DMRick, I will again state that "I have not said they don't love their children."

I traveled for the first year of my current job. However, I was furtunate enough to have my DW as a SAHM. I love my job, but I traveled to make ends meet.

I knew my comments would get flammed by the ardent followers. However, I didn't think that all logic would be ignored.


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I will agree to disagree with you.

 

[MM27]

As far as the Table for 12 family, cops in NJ are paid very well. I have a friend that has been on the police force for the same number of years that I've been teaching and his salary is more than double mine. Benefits are really good too.

 

[DreaGirl]

I just wonder why people care so much that Kate wants to write books and go on book tours? Would people be critical of other working mom's schedules? Or volunteering moms? Or mom's that don't work/have to work but put their kids in daycare/preschool a few days a week anyway? Why would anyone need to judge that mom's decision?

I point it out because Kate says she is a stay at home Mom. Kate used to be a stay at home Mom, but she isn't anymore. She is a working Mom. Which is fine, you do whatever works for your family. But when she makes statements like "I start everyday with my kids just like every other Mom" or "Like every other stay at home Mom" she is lying. She is gone more than she is home. I don't call that a stay at home Mom, I call that a working Mom.

 

[DreaGirl]

I thought I understood that they'd always been at the same Christian school, the same place they went to preschool? I guess not. LOL

It's my understanding that the new school is not a Christian school, but a country day school.