Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

[madge]

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

Best. Movie. Ever.

 

[KATHINOWA]

My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.

I hope Ferris will be ok. Best movie!

My DS was sick last week (flu) and he kept texting everyone that he was sick--real sick. I thought we were going to have our own Ferris moment here!

 

[FinallyBoughtDVC]

I can't believe I"m commenting.
It is a big deal.
If he wants to go out with his friends,
it shouldn't be a local college bar, he should be with his friends at one of their houses, playing poker, drinking or whatever.
Married guys don't go to a "single's" bar to hang out.

I hope Jon and Kate can work it out.
It looks like both of them have serious issues.

Oh please. Give me a break. I'm 45 years old, happily married and I still meet up with friends at local bars from time to time. I'm a PTA mom, local business owner, mother of three, blah, blah. I'll go to upscale places and sometimes I just go to the local pub where most patrons are of "college age". There is NOTHING wrong with a married adult going anywhere to be with their friends.

I have two people close to me who are well-known celebrities (one much more so than the other - but both highly recognizable). No matter where we go - people ask for photos, autographs, etc. A photo like this is so benign it's laughable.

Is there trouble on the homefront? I have no idea. But I can say with certainty that a married person meeting up with friends at a local bar and having their photo taken with people does not mean anything.

 

[madge]

I just watched the video again, thanks Madge.

no problem!

Apparently, Jon's alleged mishap has turned up on a blog called ohnotheydidnt, and who knows how many others?!

One thing I did not know is there are 2 huge message board threads that go almost hand in hand with GWOP. One is at CafeMom and the other is at BabyCenter. Lots of rumor and suggestion there. I've also learned of a board/thread on Craigslist. LOL. Amazing.

Interesting to see how this all plays out ....

And new friends, as you can tell, I enjoy reading about the Gosselins .. I'm not a lover like some here Any links you can share? Sources to back up your stories? I have a blog where I write about JK8 from time to time. I'm always looking for new material!

 

[OhMari]

no problem!

Apparently, Jon's alleged mishap has turned up on a blog called ohnotheydidnt, and who knows how many others?!

One thing I did not know is there are 2 huge message board threads that go almost hand in hand with GWOP. One is at CafeMom and the other is at BabyCenter. Lots of rumor and suggestion there. I've also learned of a board/thread on Craigslist. LOL. Amazing.

Interesting to see how this all plays out ....

And new friends, as you can tell, I enjoy reading about the Gosselins .. I'm not a lover like some here Any links you can share? Sources to back up your stories? I have a blog where I write about JK8 from time to time. I'm always looking for new material!

Your own blog for JK8,
I was thinking last nite, how JK read e-mails and surf the web.
Remember when they did a whole show answering e-mails?
There poor in-box must be loaded.
I said it before, I sure hope they get some help.
I once saw myself on a video saying something really snarky.
It wasn't to my dh, but asking one dd to do something while another was doing something else. It really opened my eyes. I felt so ashamed.
Kate has to see her behavior,
not just with Jon, but also with her kids.

 

[madge]

Your own blog for JK8,

oh no, it's just a blog blog. I just write about them every now and then. No way am I getting into the Gosselin blogging business. I'm a mere casual observer... and I want to keep it that way!

 

[newtodis]

Ok so I tried to post last night and something happened to my computer while I was uploading pictures to Shutterfly.... Not only did I loose my post, but the other 100+ pictures I was trying to upload!

So here's what I was trying to say last night (at least the points I can remenber):

*I was listening to CNN last night and the Brooke chick from the night Entertainment show said TLC is NOT offering the oct mom in CA a show...maybe good news for J&K???

*I also watched the Dr Phil with Kate on last night. I have to say she seemed very scripted and fake to me. Some comments just rubbed me the wrong way. Like when she said she didn't sit down for the first year - I don't buy that. She may not have had time to rest and relax. That I can totally relate to just from having one kid at a time! Not sitting down for a year I don't buy and the way she said it, something like "and I'm not exgagerating here, I didn't sit down for the first year"...I don't buy it. Also when she said she didn't leave the house in the first two years??? Not buying that either. Didn't they have two vans to start out with - so really they could have left it just took two vehicles?? Didn't they get the van when the tups were like one-ish?? Certainly then they all started going out together. I don't know - it just didn't add up to me. And I have to say - you guys were right - it was really a bad hair day for Kate. I didn't like it at all!

*A local radio station was talking about J&K compared to the oct mom the other day and I had to share some links from this thread with them. I don't know why, but I got so upset about how they were going on and on about how J&K didn't get any help at all...so not true at all. Not that I agree with the oct mom lying (now she's looking at a million dollar house and the Dr Phil crews already rented it out for a day to do interviews in it??? - that came from CNN last night too) about the assistance she's getting - or not getting now with the sale of pictures of her kids and whatnot.

*I was in Walmart last night to buy transfer paper to make shirts for our trip next weekend and they were advertising J&K on all of the tvs hanging around the store. I thought Kate was a rep for KMart - I can't think they could represent both (I know nothing as I've never been a spokesperson for anything like that - it just seemed weird to me).

*Regarding the John out drinking business, can't say as I blame him. I'd need a break for a night to get away from things every once in awhile. (heck I need one now with two kids!!) I have to say it doesn't really look like a "party" picture (at least the one I saw) since there aren't a lot of people in the background, drinks in hand, whatever. I think everyone's entitled to go out and have fun (whatever that means for them so long as they're safe and not doing illegal things). J&K also have to be careful though about what they're doing being in the public eye - a life which they both chose and could quit doing the show/speaking engagements any time they wanted to (I know that wouldn't make them disappear).

*One thing I would really like to see is people from their lives speaking about them....how come no one's coming out in their support/defense?? I also think it's a little weird that the nanny's not being shown on the show at all...to me, it should have just been part of the negotiations that if you work for/with our family, you'll be part of our show since "the show is our life". I know my nanny is like a part of our family and does stuff but she knew that right up front when we hired her. The whole thing is just getting so unrelatable for those who do more than just watch the show....I'm kind of disappointed honestly. Yes I wanted them to succeed with their family but there's got to be a limit at some point right?? When do you say "we have enough, please donate those items to XYZ shelter/hospital/agency in the name of our children" or something like that?? Maybe I'm just cheap but I could see much better uses of the money/donations they're getting sometimes...

 

[lucas]

Oh please. Give me a break. I'm 45 years old, happily married and I still meet up with friends at local bars from time to time. I'm a PTA mom, local business owner, mother of three, blah, blah. I'll go to upscale places and sometimes I just go to the local pub where most patrons are of "college age". There is NOTHING wrong with a married adult going anywhere to be with their friends.

I have two people close to me who are well-known celebrities (one much more so than the other - but both highly recognizable). No matter where we go - people ask for photos, autographs, etc. A photo like this is so benign it's laughable.

Is there trouble on the homefront? I have no idea. But I can say with certainty that a married person meeting up with friends at a local bar and having their photo taken with people does not mean anything.

Hopefully Kate feels the same way.

 

[barkley]

no problem!

Apparently, Jon's alleged mishap has turned up on a blog called ohnotheydidnt, and who knows how many others?!

One thing I did not know is there are 2 huge message board threads that go almost hand in hand with GWOP. One is at CafeMom and the other is at BabyCenter. Lots of rumor and suggestion there. I've also learned of a board/thread on Craigslist. LOL. Amazing.

Interesting to see how this all plays out ....

And new friends, as you can tell, I enjoy reading about the Gosselins .. I'm not a lover like some here Any links you can share? Sources to back up your stories? I have a blog where I write about JK8 from time to time. I'm always looking for new material!

since you apparantly keep up on what folks are saying out there on pro and anti gosselin websites can you let us know if last night's larry king show generates any comments? the second half was on the octuplet mom and they reported that she's been looking at million dollar homes. the subject of how she would pay for this came up and weather she's banking on doing a book or a multiples type reality show (they did'nt name j&k+8 but that was definatly the comparrison). one of the panelists who is a high profile publicists made a comment about how he presumes she would be looking at this but that there's a negative public perception (that he shares) in "using your children as atm machines" and how the trade off to get the big money that's associated with tv shows, books and public speaking involves trading off too much of your child's privacy-and that's too expensive a price. there were also comments on some other talk shows recently about octuplet mom and her being seen getting a manicure recently-and there were some pretty backhanded (or so i perceived) slams at kate made when guests would say things like why are people bashing the octo mom-she's doing this while the babies are in the hospital, would the public prefer to have her wait until they are home and have cameras installed for a reality show so that they can see her complain about never having time to herself then do an episode on her "spa day"

i have'nt seen several of the john or kate recent interviews mentioned on this thread but i've caught some shows with kate recently where they've had her on to talk when the topic is the octuplet mom, and i have to presume that there's some hard and fast rules about what questions they can and can't ask her, and what kind of setting the interview has to be done in. on the same shows they've had the duggars and the parents of the other u.s. set of octuplets (now i think 10 years old/7 survived)-with the duggars and other parents the question has repeatedly come up about weather they ever used any form of public assistance, and how they financialy provide for there kids. these are never asked of kate. with the duggars/the other octuplet parents they've been interviewed with other panelists being allowed to ask questions and while some of the questions were obviously pre-selected it was much more free form (questions but discussions spinning off of questions the other guests asked) , with kate it's been segments where other panelests or guests are'nt participating with questions and comments, and just seemed much more pre-scripted.

i'de be interested to know if the anti octuplet mom sentiment is reflecting more negative criticism towards the gosselins.

 

[madge]

*One thing I would really like to see is people from their lives speaking about them....how come no one's coming out in their support/defense??

this question gets asked over and over. there always seems to be an excuse from fans as to why that is... I've wondered it, myself. Having said that, I have a feeling that the biggest percentage of anti-Gosselin folks have never met Jon & Kate Gosselin. They have their opinions based on what they've seen on TV and read on the internet, as opposed to actual life experiences. Right or wrong, I always tend to place a little more weight on what someone from Pennsylvania has to say, if for no other reason than access to local media and "water cooler" chatter. (and before anyone says a thing about PennMommy, she doesn't count. She was not really from Pennsylvania. )

the truth of the matter is, there has never been any real, substantial Gosselin chatter .. from family or friends or neighbors or locals ... good or bad. I wish there was. It might answer a lot of questions.

 

[DreaGirl]

the truth of the matter is, there has never been any real, substantial Gosselin chatter .. from family or friends or neighbors or locals ... good or bad. I wish there was. It might answer a lot of questions.

Well Jody did come out on the blog for a while with her video.

 

[madge]

since you apparantly keep up on what folks are saying out there on pro and anti gosselin websites can you let us know if last night's larry king show generates any comments? the second half was on the octuplet mom and they reported that she's been looking at million dollar homes. the subject of how she would pay for this came up and weather she's banking on doing a book or a multiples type reality show (they did'nt name j&k+8 but that was definatly the comparrison). one of the panelists who is a high profile publicists made a comment about how he presumes she would be looking at this but that there's a negative public perception (that he shares) in "using your children as atm machines" and how the trade off to get the big money that's associated with tv shows, books and public speaking involves trading off too much of your child's privacy-and that's too expensive a price. there were also comments on some other talk shows recently about octuplet mom and her being seen getting a manicure recently-and there were some pretty backhanded (or so i perceived) slams at kate made when guests would say things like why are people bashing the octo mom-she's doing this while the babies are in the hospital, would the public prefer to have her wait until they are home and have cameras installed for a reality show so that they can see her complain about never having time to herself then do an episode on her "spa day"

I didn't realize there was Octomom chat on LKL last night. I was busy watching more real reality TV (Survivor)

I have heard similar comments on various talk shows over the last couple of weeks referencing the octomom's chances of freebies and talk shows. I've heard a variety of reasons why companies aren't sending caseloads of freebies to the octomom, and while it's never been a direct reason .. Jon & Kate's name has been mentioned in the same dialogue. I, too, have heard some passive-aggressive digs at the Gosselins. Theirs is the only name that's coming up on shows I've seen ... not the Duggars, or any of the other HOM families featured on TV.

I think (JMO) that companies that have hired Kate as a spokesperson stand by that hire, but at the same time are aware of the negative press involved with JK8 and the octomom. I believe they are proceeding carefully. The octomom deal has so much negativity on its own, though ... I can't imagine any company partnering with her.

i have'nt seen several of the john or kate recent interviews mentioned on this thread but i've caught some shows with kate recently where they've had her on to talk when the topic is the octuplet mom, and i have to presume that there's some hard and fast rules about what questions they can and can't ask her, and what kind of setting the interview has to be done in. on the same shows they've had the duggars and the parents of the other u.s. set of octuplets (now i think 10 years old/7 survived)-with the duggars and other parents the question has repeatedly come up about weather they ever used any form of public assistance, and how they financialy provide for there kids. these are never asked of kate. with the duggars/the other octuplet parents they've been interviewed with other panelists being allowed to ask questions and while some of the questions were obviously pre-selected it was much more free form (questions but discussions spinning off of questions the other guests asked) , with kate it's been segments where other panelests or guests are'nt participating with questions and comments, and just seemed much more pre-scripted.

I think you're onto something with restrictive questioning of Jon & Kate, because the information is certainly out there. There are a lot of facts surrounding the Gosselins that are never brought up. And it isn't for bloggers lack of trying - the vultures at GWOP email every sponsor, every show, every publication, etc. that feature JK8. They're getting the negativity out there. (obviously, it hasn't done much good so far) It is interesting that the lawsuit to keep the nurse didn't come up on any of these recent interviews - it's a matter of public record that they sued to keep the nurse.

i'de be interested to know if the anti octuplet mom sentiment is reflecting more negative criticism towards the gosselins.

I don't think so. Not really.

Kate hasn't been on TV about it much this week, though. Maybe she's been advised to pull back?

PS. I haven't spent much time keeping up with GWOP lately. I read some other "negative" blogs with fewer posters .. it's a little less overwhelming that trying to get through hundreds of comments on GWOP. So, I can't really speak to what's going on over there these days.

 

[madge]

Well Jody did come out on the blog for a while with her video.

that is true. but it was extremely short-lived, for whatever reason... not that I blame Jodi/Julie. That whole blog/video deal was a disaster from the start. I am still inclined to believe the information posted on Julie's blog, as well as Jodi's video ... but, Lord.. so much drama. SO much drama. LOL.

I've wondered if Kate & Jodi mended fences, or if things are still tense. And I've also wondered what would have happened if Julie continued to blog, although there would be nothing to blog if Jodi wasn't involved in Kate's life anymore ...

 

[MichelleVW]

Well Jody did come out on the blog for a while with her video.

In a stupid blog that for the most part only "anti Kate" people knew about at first. I totally lost all respect for her during that video. Everything that was said could have been true, BUT that was not the way to put it out there.

And for the record, I still think she was crazy for giving 3 year old's gum!

 

[madge]

And for the record, I still think she was crazy for giving 3 year old's gum!

I do, too .. but I think it was a set up, or edited ... something.

I also still think Kate was way over the top in threatening to throw away the stuffed animal. Crazy.

I'm off for the day ... see y'all later ... hopefully there will be some posts to read!

 

[newtodis]

this question gets asked over and over. there always seems to be an excuse from fans as to why that is... I've wondered it, myself. Having said that, I have a feeling that the biggest percentage of anti-Gosselin folks have never met Jon & Kate Gosselin. They have their opinions based on what they've seen on TV and read on the internet, as opposed to actual life experiences. Right or wrong, I always tend to place a little more weight on what someone from Pennsylvania has to say, if for no other reason than access to local media and "water cooler" chatter. (and before anyone says a thing about PennMommy, she doesn't count. She was not really from Pennsylvania. )

the truth of the matter is, there has never been any real, substantial Gosselin chatter .. from family or friends or neighbors or locals ... good or bad. I wish there was. It might answer a lot of questions.

I agree with your comment (in response to mine). I agree those from PA may have a bit more "real" info since they're more "in the thick of it". I'm just surprised I guess that more people aren't coming out (either good or bad - I'd love to hear either just to clear up the rumors) speaking about J&K and the family.

I think you're onto something with restrictive questioning of Jon & Kate, because the information is certainly out there. There are a lot of facts surrounding the Gosselins that are never brought up. And it isn't for bloggers lack of trying - the vultures at GWOP email every sponsor, every show, every publication, etc. that feature JK8. They're getting the negativity out there. (obviously, it hasn't done much good so far) It is interesting that the lawsuit to keep the nurse didn't come up on any of these recent interviews - it's a matter of public record that they sued to keep the nurse.

I agree that there has to be a strict list of questions to be asked and their answers. Dr. Phil of all people, seems to be the one who would have researched this in detail before having them on the show and keeping up with them (it just seems to me that the Dr Phil staff really do a lot of homework before having people on the show- not just booking the current "hot" celeb). It also seems like he'd be the one who would call them out if he found that something didn't jive....I guess in my mind that makes it more confusing partially. (did that make sense??)

 

[MichelleVW]

I do, too .. but I think it was a set up, or edited ... something.

I also still think Kate was way over the top in threatening to throw away the stuffed animal. Crazy.

I'm off for the day ... see y'all later ... hopefully there will be some posts to read!

I agree about the threatening to throw the stuffed animal away, but I know I've said some things to my kids that I wouldn't want on film when I was mad, so I won't comment on that.

 

[TotalSnowWhite]

this question gets asked over and over. there always seems to be an excuse from fans as to why that is... I've wondered it, myself. Having said that, I have a feeling that the biggest percentage of anti-Gosselin folks have never met Jon & Kate Gosselin. They have their opinions based on what they've seen on TV and read on the internet, as opposed to actual life experiences. Right or wrong, I always tend to place a little more weight on what someone from Pennsylvania has to say, if for no other reason than access to local media and "water cooler" chatter. (and before anyone says a thing about PennMommy, she doesn't count. She was not really from Pennsylvania. )

the truth of the matter is, there has never been any real, substantial Gosselin chatter .. from family or friends or neighbors or locals ... good or bad. I wish there was. It might answer a lot of questions.

For that matter, are any of the bloggers, etc. that stick PA on a username really from Pennsylvania? Haha!! I think it's kind of suspicious that every other commenter on a blog I was looking at yesterday (can't remember which one, but it was about the Jon fiasco) was PAteacher or PAmom, etc., etc. So many people claim to be insiders but no one can ever back it up with anything.

I didn't realize there was Octomom chat on LKL last night. I was busy watching more real reality TV (Survivor)

I have heard similar comments on various talk shows over the last couple of weeks referencing the octomom's chances of freebies and talk shows. I've heard a variety of reasons why companies aren't sending caseloads of freebies to the octomom, and while it's never been a direct reason .. Jon & Kate's name has been mentioned in the same dialogue. I, too, have heard some passive-aggressive digs at the Gosselins. Theirs is the only name that's coming up on shows I've seen ... not the Duggars, or any of the other HOM families featured on TV.

I think (JMO) that companies that have hired Kate as a spokesperson stand by that hire, but at the same time are aware of the negative press involved with JK8 and the octomom. I believe they are proceeding carefully. The octomom deal has so much negativity on its own, though ... I can't imagine any company partnering with her.

I think, even just focusing on the moms, there's a vast difference here. You're right, I don't see anyone dropping Kate as a result of OctoMom. Kate's name is out there, and that's good for their business. OctoMom is coming out looking crazier and crazier, and if I had a company, I wouldn't touch her with a ten-foot pole.


Also, someone pointed out JK8 was on tv at Wal-Mart. Kate Gosselin, the individual, can be the spokesperson for Kmart. Jon and Kate Plus 8, the show, could be used in Wal-Mart. In the business sense, they are separate entities.

I think you're onto something with restrictive questioning of Jon & Kate, because the information is certainly out there. There are a lot of facts surrounding the Gosselins that are never brought up. And it isn't for bloggers lack of trying - the vultures at GWOP email every sponsor, every show, every publication, etc. that feature JK8. They're getting the negativity out there. (obviously, it hasn't done much good so far) It is interesting that the lawsuit to keep the nurse didn't come up on any of these recent interviews - it's a matter of public record that they sued to keep the nurse.

Kate talks about the nurse (Angie) in the book, how they wanted to keep her, etc. She's not hiding that. If no one's asking, it's from the journalist side. Even if Kate's publicist is stating restrictions on questioning for Kate, the journalist (whether tv, radio, print, etc.) can absolutely decline. No journalist worth his press pass would be bullied into asking or not asking certain questions (my professors would be so proud!!).

I don't think so. Not really.

Kate hasn't been on TV about it much this week, though. Maybe she's been advised to pull back?

PS. I haven't spent much time keeping up with GWOP lately. I read some other "negative" blogs with fewer posters .. it's a little less overwhelming that trying to get through hundreds of comments on GWOP. So, I can't really speak to what's going on over there these days.

that is true. but it was extremely short-lived, for whatever reason... not that I blame Jodi/Julie. That whole blog/video deal was a disaster from the start. I am still inclined to believe the information posted on Julie's blog, as well as Jodi's video ... but, Lord.. so much drama. SO much drama. LOL.

I've wondered if Kate & Jodi mended fences, or if things are still tense. And I've also wondered what would have happened if Julie continued to blog, although there would be nothing to blog if Jodi wasn't involved in Kate's life anymore ...

I still think Julie's blog had some awfully good timing for JK8 publicity. Then, all of a sudden (after the PR explosion) she quit writing.

If they quit talking about you, you're finished. Even if the conversation is controversial, they're still talking.

 

[barkley]

this question gets asked over and over. there always seems to be an excuse from fans as to why that is... I've wondered it, myself. Having said that, I have a feeling that the biggest percentage of anti-Gosselin folks have never met Jon & Kate Gosselin. They have their opinions based on what they've seen on TV and read on the internet, as opposed to actual life experiences. Right or wrong, I always tend to place a little more weight on what someone from Pennsylvania has to say, if for no other reason than access to local media and "water cooler" chatter. (and before anyone says a thing about PennMommy, she doesn't count. She was not really from Pennsylvania. )

the truth of the matter is, there has never been any real, substantial Gosselin chatter .. from family or friends or neighbors or locals ... good or bad. I wish there was. It might answer a lot of questions.

i've thought about this too. i wonder why you don't see friends and family speaking to their positive attributes but then i think that if they were to publicly do so they would be opening themselves up to the kind of public scrutiny and bashing that j&k are on the receiving end of. but i think on the other hand, it seems that if people are just forming their negative opinions based on what they see on the tv show, given that it's marketed as a "reality" show-either the habits/attitudes or whatever people seem to perceive in a negative manner is the "reality" of the way they are OR they are participating in a show that is not being truthful and forthcoming (and i would think that most people, if they were marketing themselves would fight to have themselves portrayed in the most positive light, taking steps to ensure that editing was'nt done that badly reflected on them. it might happen in the first season of a show where the participants were'nt saavy enough to realize that creative editing could misrepresent them, but esp. with a p.r. firm representing you there would be safeguards in place to ensure things were accuratly presented in subsequent seasons).


i also think that little weight can be put on those who have only encountered j&k (or the kids) at the speaking engagements or the book signings. the truth is that what a person/persons present themselves as at these types of events can be far from the truth. i saw this firsthand working in a venue that was popular for hosting and housing celebs, authors and speakers. the way some interacted with their family and support staff when they were not "on" or believed themselves to be out of view of the public or media was wholly different from the way they presented themselves a moment later walking into a public area. some were very saavy about it and kept themselves in check, others had "handlers" who were always putting out "fires" (i remember being on the receiving end of a call from a very well thought of actress's "partner" who was asking me to try and arrange at the last minute to change their dining arrangements at domaine chandon from seating in the public area to one in a private room-in the background i could hear the actress who was slated to do a book promotion speech and signing that evening ranting and raving about how "no way" was she going to be subjected to having to eat her dinner in public and have to "make nice" with the "local idiots". i could hear the partner and other people in the room trying to shush her saying that the other person on the phone (me) could hear what she was saying. she began arguing more and ranting that her partner (also her buisness partner) could tell her how to behave in public and "who" she had to be to sell her book but "no f'in way am i going to carry on that b--s---- privatly" . that night she went on to do her speech and her signing-the media covered it and said how personable she was and quoted people who got that brief positive interaction with her at the book signing-then she came back and as soon as she walked into her private area she was observed by staff to totaly drop that persona you never hear the negatives about her and some other "celebs" because of the rock solid confidentiality agreements they require of their staff, the staff of places they stay/perform at. with their families it can be a financial dis-incentive (but i doubt that's the issue with the gosselins) or it can be that they've been threatened with not being able to see their young neices/nephews/grandchildren (i personaly know one case like this-grandma has the as yet undiscovered by the media child of the person but not "legally"-in other words just by mutual agreement. grandma would never publicly say anything good or bad about her child because the reality is she's been told flat out that doing so would result in the grandchild she's raised since birth being removed from her home and all contact severed. i'm not saying the gosselins have done this, but i've always thought it was very odd that while their show is presented as a "reality" show there has'nt been since some long ago episodes anything that shows them interact with family-and even the interaction with their close friends (like beth and the "nanas") has been dramaticly scaled back. is the reality of their lives that they don't interact allot with family or friends, or is the reality that their family/friends are reluctant to be a part of the lives they present to the public (and again-if the show is what j&k say it is-just cameras following them around while they live their "real lives", then their real lives just don't seem to include much of anyone except production staff outside their nuclear family).

 

[madge]

I still think Julie's blog had some awfully good timing for JK8 publicity. Then, all of a sudden (after the PR explosion) she quit writing.

If they quit talking about you, you're finished. Even if the conversation is controversial, they're still talking.

I'm walking out the door right now, but want to comment on this point real quick ..

I still get many, many hits on my blog post titled "Aunt Jodi's video" every week. I think the interest is still out there on it. People are still talking about it.