Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

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Question, Kate mentioned about Mommy and Daddy working, are they working somewhere other than on their tv show, books or speaking engagements? I saw in a previous post about a nurse's salary, so I was wondering if Kate has gone back to nursing?
 
I read this "jealousy" accusation a lot. What would people be jealous of? Are you referring to the stuff they have? I know a lot of people with stuff, I'd sometimes like to have more stuff, but at what price? I don't hate the show or the family. I don't know them. I am amazed at their apparent lack of logic and parental warmth. Like most people on this thread, I only see what is chosen to be shown to me. Why does Kate allow herself and her family to be portrayed this way if it is in fact their worst? When a poster comes along like "the one whose name shall not be spoken", what would the motive be other than to "out a fraud?" Americans are very protective of kids and dogs; don't mess with either! Do you think they don't have close proximity to the family? I know it is offensive to be told you are clueless, blind, uninformed, or whatever. Maybe they are sharing real information in an intrusive way at a place where it isn't welcomed. I have to ask the question that has been asked over and over and over again. Where are the real people who love the Gosselin family?

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I can guarantee that some of the people who nag on JK+8, JK or just K are jealous. I won't say everyone, but I know there's jealousy going on behind some posts (here and elsewhere).

As far as our favorite carnival snacker, here's my thought...if he/she is so concerned with the well-being of eight children, he/she needs to contact the proper authorities. If he/she isn't willing to do that instead of spewing sarcastic comments and shoving "facts" down people's throats on a messageboard, I'm calling BS. Posting on the DIS will do no good. Not one tiny bit. Sure, maybe some people will stop watching the show (more than likely, they will continue to watch but with a cynical viewpoint, as most of the haters do), but there are millions of viewers who have no idea what the DIS is. The manner in which he/she offers up his/her commentary turns off 99% of people who read them and is of no help to the children he/she claims to be worried about.
 
From parkrecord.com:

TLC dad at home on local slopes
Discovery Channel shoots episode oh father, daughter's love of Park City
Adia Waldburger, of the Record staff
Posted: 01/13/2009 04:54:07 PM MST


When The Learning Channel (TLC) sent the Gosselin family to Park City last winter, it turns out it was familiar territory for one family member. Jon Gosselin, father of twins and sextuplets on the hit show, "Jon and Kate plus Eight" was an avid snowboarder long before he ever set foot in Utah.
The Pennsylvania native grew up snowboarding at Eastern ski resorts, mixing in trips to places like Jackson Hole, Beaver Creek, Vail, and even Chamonix Mt Blanc in France all before age 19. Then "real life," as he calls it, in the form of a wife and more kids than he could count came into the picture and the snowboard was stored. But after The Canyons Resort invited the family and the show to visit last year, an old love affair with the mountains was rekindled after 10 years away.

Gosselin, 31, said he took to the slopes like he had never left.

"It all came back," he said.

The more thrilling part is that his daughter, Cara, age 8, is a natural on the slopes.

Since that trip, Gosselin had been wanting to make skiing and snowboarding a daddy-daughter bonding experience, and last week he finally did something about it.

With the TLC film crew in tow, Gosselin and Cara headed back to The Canyons. When it was time for Cara to head back to school, Gosselin made the decision to stay a few days and make a more permanent mark on the area. He will be purchasing a condo within The Canyons village to give his family a little home away from home in Utah. Well, at least Jon and Cara, that is. Gosselin's wife, Kate, is an admitted indoors type and he figures she won't be in on too many ski vacations.

"I'm looking for a father-daughter place," Gosselin said.

Gosselin says the plan is to have a place to visit each winter and to continue riding on a regular basis. He says that he really enjoys Park City and the Canyons, and even in his 30s, he says that he fits right in with the young crowd on the mountain.

"It's nice because I have eight kids, two dogs and live in Pennsylvania, and I can still hang with 15-year-olds," he said.

Gosselin has been riding with friends and pro riders at the resort and spending the evenings discovering what Park City and Salt Lake have to offer. But he is most excited to set some vacation roots right here.

"You can do whatever you want here. I go places you can connect with people and it feels like a family," Gosselin said.

He had never been in Utah before last year and once said in an interview that all he knew about Utah was "powder, Mormons and Moab." Since then, his world has opened up to the warm community and top-notch snow and it looks like Gosselin will soon be a part-time resident.
 

I agree with you that parents need privacy, but kids need privacy too. My DD is 2.5 and is newly potty trained. She asks us to leave the bathroom when she goes because she wants her privacy. I don't want someone watching me go to the bathroom, so I leave. I stand around the corner to make sure she is okay, but I'm out of eye sight.

Everyone deserves that, no matter the age. Your home should be your safe haven.

I watched an old show the other day when the kids were my daughters age, and I really enjoyed it. Kate was somewhat normal and the show focused on the kids.

Now, I just can't watch anymore. Worrying about cleaning a fridge instead of helping your child...that is just wrong. They should be taking care of them selves in the bathroom at that age anyway. What do they do at preschool or what are they going to do next year at school?!

I can't imagine a 2 year old asking for privacy in the bathroom. My kids were little naked people around the house until they were about 3 but we didn't make a big deal out of it. They never shut the door when they went to the bathroom and would yell for a wipe when they got done. I can't remember when that ended, but I'm sure there are many 4 year olds in this country that still get their hiney's wiped. Especially since there are tons of kids now that aren't potty training until they are almost 4. Honestly I would rather wipe their butt than deal with the skid marks from them wiping! :scared:

roflmao, couldn't agree more!!!!

$3600/year for cable???? And I don't believe they have a dog or horse! ...someone needs a reality check on costs!

I believe they have 2 dogs now, but I have 2 dogs, 3 cats and 2 horses and I pay no where near 15K in upkeep for them a year!! I'll have to do the math later and see what they really cost, but I know it's not 15K.

I finally watched the episode last night. Kate is ridiculous, I kept saying "she's such a witch" (but maybe the word I used started with a b!). The way she spoke to Jon was terrible. And I find it very strange the kids aren't invited in their room. I'm sure little Hannah will be allowed in occasionally, they seem to favor her for some reason. I was hoping Mady would be punished for her treatment of Alexis, but all Kate said was " well you shouldn't go in her room". Um, no that's the wrong answer Kate!

I will say I'm surprised they didn't just hire a crew to clean the house. But I suppose it wouldn't be up to her standards.

I really should stop watching this show, but now it's train wreck and I can't look away!

Everyone talks about how bad Kate talks to Jon. Have you ever been in a mall or Disney and hear the way that people talk to each other? I hear way worse. Occasionally I think she goes off the deep end, but for the most part they talk to each other just like every one else. We also don't see how she talks to him every day, all we see is what they edit in to the show.

Many people don't let their kids in their rooms, its quite common and doesn't make them evil.

Yes Mady was lightly kicking Alexis to tell her to get out of her room. Not the end of the world, My kids did that stuff all the time and they are best friends now with no damage to either one of them.

If it bothers you turn the freaking channel. I can't stand that stupid Brett Michaels reality show, I think it's totally slutty and it makes me angry to watch, so guess what? I DON'T WATCH IT.....such an easy solution.
 
Nope, not dramatic. My son was delayed and those boys look and act like he did. I speak from experience.

You do realize seeing your son 24/7 (or a comparable time) is completely different than seeing two kids on a show a few times? I think it's extremely arrogant to think you can label two children you have absolutely no personal contact with whatsoever. Sure, maybe there are some challenges, but that's not unusual with multiples, preemies, etc. They have shown regular visits to the optometrist, recently a dentist visit, etc. I highly doubt anything involving the children's medical and developmental well-being is going by the wayside.

Question, Kate mentioned about Mommy and Daddy working, are they working somewhere other than on their tv show, books or speaking engagements? I saw in a previous post about a nurse's salary, so I was wondering if Kate has gone back to nursing?

I think they're referring to the books, engagements, promos, etc.
 
As far as our favorite carnival snacker, here's my thought...if he/she is so concerned with the well-being of eight children, he/she needs to contact the proper authorities. If he/she isn't willing to do that instead of spewing sarcastic comments and shoving "facts" down people's throats on a messageboard, I'm calling BS. Posting on the DIS will do no good. Not one tiny bit. Sure, maybe some people will stop watching the show (more than likely, they will continue to watch but with a cynical viewpoint, as most of the haters do), but there are millions of viewers who have no idea what the DIS is. The manner in which he/she offers up his/her commentary turns off 99% of people who read them and is of no help to the children he/she claims to be worried about.

That made me chuckle! And ITA with everything you said.
 
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I want to see the episode where they get a rake and make Kate muck that stall. I think that would be hilarious.
 
I couldn't believe when she lectured her kids about staying out of her room. They're 4 for godsakes!! Kids are always going to want to crawl in mommy's bed when they don't feel good or have a bad dream. I understand not wanting them to always be lingering in there, but to say "never ever step foot in here again or there will be severe punishment" is ridiculous!!

And Hannah getting her own room?? Favoritism, much?? I would think at least the older girls would get their own spaces before having a little kid get their own room, seems completely unfair. I understand she gets migraines and what not, but it still seems unfair. Hannah seems to get the best treatment out of all of the kids. Remember that episode where Hannah got to sit in ont he interview couch with her parents the entire episode?? I also felt bad for Cara when she was asked to wipe the kid's butt!! :sad2:

Didn't Kate say the bedrooms were small? Didn't someone say there are 6 bedrooms in the house? If J&K get the master bedroom, that leaves 5 rooms. How do you propose they split up 8 kids in 5 bedrooms without some having to share, and some getting their own rooms? Should Mady and Cara each get their own room? That would leave 3 rooms for the other 6 -- explain to me how 3 boys and 3 girls could be equally split among 4 rooms without a boy and a girl sharing a bedroom?

Sometimes I think people over-read Kate's reactions, instead of thinking about it logically.
 
I can guarantee that some of the people who nag on JK+8, JK or just K are jealous. I won't say everyone, but I know there's jealousy going on behind some posts (here and elsewhere).

As far as our favorite carnival snacker, here's my thought...if he/she is so concerned with the well-being of eight children, he/she needs to contact the proper authorities. If he/she isn't willing to do that instead of spewing sarcastic comments and shoving "facts" down people's throats on a messageboard, I'm calling BS. Posting on the DIS will do no good. Not one tiny bit. Sure, maybe some people will stop watching the show (more than likely, they will continue to watch but with a cynical viewpoint, as most of the haters do), but there are millions of viewers who have no idea what the DIS is. The manner in which he/she offers up his/her commentary turns off 99% of people who read them and is of no help to the children he/she claims to be worried about.

ITA. If someone claims to know them, and claims that they are abused; why are they not contacting the proper authorities???? The only answer that I can come up with is because they really have no idea, and are just making things up. Posting it on here does absolutely nothing for the children that they say they're trying to "protect."
 
I can't imagine a 2 year old asking for privacy in the bathroom. My kids were little naked people around the house until they were about 3 but we didn't make a big deal out of it. They never shut the door when they went to the bathroom and would yell for a wipe when they got done. I can't remember when that ended, but I'm sure there are many 4 year olds in this country that still get their hiney's wiped. Especially since there are tons of kids now that aren't potty training until they are almost 4. Honestly I would rather wipe their butt than deal with the skid marks from them wiping! :scared:
Well my DD does ask for privacy as does her other little friend who is also newly trained. They both have the door open but don't want someone looking at them. I don't know why that is hard to understand some kids are more modest than others. Some kids don't want to run around naked (if she did I wouldn't make a big deal out of it).

I want me DD to be independent and at 4 be able to take care of her business in the bathroom. She might occasionally need help, but each time...I don't think so.

To each their own I guess.
 
I can't imagine a 2 year old asking for privacy in the bathroom. My kids were little naked people around the house until they were about 3 but we didn't make a big deal out of it. They never shut the door when they went to the bathroom and would yell for a wipe when they got done. I can't remember when that ended, but I'm sure there are many 4 year olds in this country that still get their hiney's wiped. Especially since there are tons of kids now that aren't potty training until they are almost 4. Honestly I would rather wipe their butt than deal with the skid marks from them wiping! :scared:
Well my DD does ask for privacy as does her other little friend who is also newly trained. They both have the door open but don't want someone looking at them. I don't know why that is hard to understand some kids are more modest than others. Some kids don't want to run around naked (if she did I wouldn't make a big deal out of it).

I want me DD to be independent and at 4 be able to take care of her business in the bathroom. She might occasionally need help, but each time...I don't think so.

To each their own I guess.

Whatever works for you great, but I'm not going to judge them harshly because she doesn't want skid marks in the boys underware...;)
 
Didn't Kate say the bedrooms were small? Didn't someone say there are 6 bedrooms in the house? If J&K get the master bedroom, that leaves 5 rooms. How do you propose they split up 8 kids in 5 bedrooms without some having to share, and some getting their own rooms? Should Mady and Cara each get their own room? That would leaves 3 rooms for the other 6 -- explain to me how 3 boys and 3 girls could be equally split among 3 rooms without a boy and a girl sharing a bedroom?

Sometimes I think people over-read Kate's reactions, instead of thinking about it logically.


I'm guessing most people would think it is logical for the twins to have their own rooms, the 3 girl tups in a room and the 3 boy tups in a room. They custom ordered the bunks w/ trundles, etc. The twins being the oldest and being tweens before you know it, this would be a fair first choice to me. I guess some kids don't do well sharing rooms with specific siblings, so who knows except for them. It looked like the twins shared room has access only by its own staircase.? I don't think I'd like that. I thought they said there are five bedrooms, like the old house, but I'm not sure. My kids would CROAK if younger siblings had their own rooms and older sibs shared :crazy2: despite the fact they actually never ask(ed) to sleep alone until at least middle school. It's a good thing with 4 bedrooms and 7 people! Some may not see it as Hannah "getting" her own room, but her having to sleep in her own room! The others all have a buddy. Who's living in the apartment over the garage?!

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A nurses salary and a 50K a year IT Job will not be able to pay for the upkeep of that house! Its $7,929.00 a month in mortgage alone.

Thats
$95,148.00 a year mortgage
$36,000.00 annual taxes
$12,000.00 a year electric
$3600.00 a year cable
$1500.00 a year water amd sewer
$360.00 security monitoring
$1200.00 a year phone
$7000.00 landscaping
$500.00 pool upkeep
$15,000.00 horse and dog upkeep
$30,000.00 insurance (health, home, auto, horse&dog, pool and liability)
$12,000.00 Food per year

This comes out to a whopping $214,338.00 in annual upkeep and costs.

(this doesnt include cars, gas, clothing or trips)

Jon is not a Master IT man, and Kates a so-so Nurse.
Did they REALLLLY need this house and all those expenses in this economy?

I have to agree with ya, the show will end and so will the money.
 
I'm guessing most people would think it is logical for the twins to have their own rooms, the 3 girl tups in a room and the 3 boy tups in a room. They custom ordered the bunks w/ trundles, etc. The twins being the oldest and being tweens before you know it, this would be a fair first choice to me. I guess some kids don't do well sharing rooms with specific siblings, so who knows except for them. It looked like the twins shared room has access only by its own staircase.? I don't think I'd like that. I thought they said there are five bedrooms, like the old house, but I'm not sure. My kids would CROAK if younger siblings had their own rooms and older sibs shared :crazy2: despite the fact they actually never ask(ed) to sleep alone until at least middle school. It's a good thing with 4 bedrooms and 7 people! Some may not see it as Hannah "getting" her own room, but her having to sleep in her own room! The others all have a buddy. Who's living in the apartment over the garage?!

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It would depend on how big the bedrooms are. 3 kids in a smaller bedroom could be very crowded. I don't think it would be fair for Mady and Cara to each have a bedroom and the little kids packed 3 to a bedroom, but to each his own.

I must admit though. I did question the explanation of Hannah getting migraines. At 4 years old? Who knows? They don't have to tell us everything I guess.

I can't imagine any of the kids living in the apartment over the garage at their current ages. Much too young.
 
I'll bet that is going to be used by the production crew in some way.

Also, to no one in particular, I'll bet TLC paid them with the house as part of their earnings for the show. I see it as they all work - it isn't easy i'm sure being filmed like that and they all experience it. Also the interviews, etc. It's not really fair to say the tups earned it. It's more like the family did. And if the parents were a bore to watch the show would have been cancelled, right?

Who's living in the apartment over the garage?!

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Can you imagine what its going to be like for Mady in 15 yrs? When she goes to apply for a job and someone judges her based on her nutjob moms treatment of her? "Ohhh Mady Gosselin? Oh you are Bratty Mady!!!!! OMG, you were such a brat on that show!" (did you know that people on the internet call Mady a C word and the B word?

I'm glad you mentioned that. I don't see how anyone can criticize Kate and then go onto the internet and post anything offensive about a child. The only reason Mady or any of the other kids are going to be able to find negative things about themselves on google or anywhere else, is because of the nutjobs that think that they are going to "save" the Gosselin children.

I've noticed a very big hatred on many of these sites (not here) towards Hannah. Negative comments and all. She's a 4 year old girl. She didn't push her way to the front, stomping on her siblings along the way. Yes, Kate seems to favor her. It's really no one's business. I know plenty of families where one child was favored for various reasons.

It's their family, it's their house. They have a right to sort out bedrooms as they choose, to not allow kids in their room, etc. We are just the viewers. The good thing is, if we don't like what we see, the TV can be turned off. I've been watching the show since the first special and I can tell you, those kids look happy, they look like they are well taken care of and that tells you that the parents are obviously doing something right.
 
It would depend on how big the bedrooms are. 3 kids in a smaller bedroom could be very crowded. I don't think it would be fair for Mady and Cara to each have a bedroom and the little kids packed 3 to a bedroom, but to each his own.

I must admit though. I did question the explanation of Hannah getting migraines. At 4 years old? Who knows? They don't have to tell us everything I guess.

I can't imagine any of the kids living in the apartment over the garage at their current ages. Much too young.

The boys are; right?



Absolutely! I was really thinking Jon? Kate? the in-laws (not)? the pool boy? :wave2:
 
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