Jon and Kate Plus 8 official Thread, Part 2!!

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With all due respect, these aren't beagles. And there's two of them (which creates a pack mentality in the dogs, ie together they might do things that one alone wouldn't do), eight young children in a relatively chaotic household, and fairly clueless parents when it comes to the dogs. This is a recipe for trouble.

Anyone who knows this breed of dog knows they need firm leadership, limit setting and rules. So far it looks like a free for all where they are concerned. They're doing as they please without limits and that's not a good thing.

I agree. But I also realize that this is a highly edited tv show that structures episodes around a "theme" and it isn't always chronological. We also only see a few minutes of their lives. How do we know if the dogs (and J&K) are in training yet? I just cannot see a reputable breeder (like the one they used appears to be) just let them ride off into the sunset without educating them on the training these dogs will need. I also don't see J&K not getting the dogs in training. WE just haven't been privy to that yet.

And I am sorry, but with 8 kids there is just no way they won't have them hanging on the dogs from time to time. It just happens no matter how well you train the dogs and kids.

I am sure we will be seeing a whole episode devoted to dog training shortly. Now, if the dogs are acting like this 6 or 7 months from now with no visible effort on their part to train, then shame on them :)
 
With all due respect, these aren't beagles. And there's two of them (which creates a pack mentality in the dogs, ie together they might do things that one alone wouldn't do), eight young children in a relatively chaotic household, and fairly clueless parents when it comes to the dogs. This is a recipe for trouble.

Anyone who knows this breed of dog knows they need firm leadership, limit setting and rules. So far it looks like a free for all where they are concerned. They're doing as they please without limits and that's not a good thing.

And we all know Kate isn't firm, nor does she set rules or limits...:rotfl:
 
I agree. But I also realize that this is a highly edited tv show that structures episodes around a "theme" and it isn't always chronological. We also only see a few minutes of their lives. How do we know if the dogs (and J&K) are in training yet? I just cannot see a reputable breeder (like the one they used appears to be) just let them ride off into the sunset without educating them on the training these dogs will need. I also don't see J&K not getting the dogs in training. WE just haven't been privy to that yet.

And I am sorry, but with 8 kids there is just no way they won't have them hanging on the dogs from time to time. It just happens no matter how well you train the dogs and kids.

I am sure we will be seeing a whole episode devoted to dog training shortly. Now, if the dogs are acting like this 6 or 7 months from now with no visible effort on their part to train, then shame on them :)
I agree, and I know it's difficult, but there really has to be supervision with the dogs and the kids. I hope there is when the cameras are off. But what we saw the other night were signals, like the pp said, of annoyance on the part of the dog, and signals to back off. Bites happen, again, as the pp said, when the signals aren't recogized. I would love to see someone teaching all of them this, and I hope that the teaching, if it occurs at all, doesn't come too late after someone's been hurt. Then it's going to be the dog's fault, I'm sure.
 
So in a 5 minute snapshot of her life it's decided she doesn't interact with her kids?? Good Grief.....I'm glad no one filmed me during the end of the 97 Rose Bowl when my kids wanted something to eat and I said, "OMG JUST EAT SOME CRACKERS AND DON'T TALK TO ME AGAIN UNTIL THIS IS OVER!" Were my kids damaged?? Nope, they learned how important Ohio State Football is ;) .

Maybe she had a headache, maybe she was tired, who the heck knows or cares why she wasn't all smiles and laughs making lunch....

I thought it was hysterical when Joel thought he left his computer at the old house!

I was making the statement that the episode I watched had Kate in it. I thought the above poster was thinking you didn't see the same episode as she did because you said that Kate was away. If you noticed I didn't give my opinion on whether she ignores her kids or not. I don't give my opinion on this board anymore. Its not a discussion for me but an info board.
 

I am sure we will be seeing a whole episode devoted to dog training shortly. Now, if the dogs are acting like this 6 or 7 months from now with no visible effort on their part to train, then shame on them :)

you all are assuming that the dogs will still be around ... LOL. I'm not sure that will be the case. Maybe as they get older, Kate will grow fonder of them. But Sunday, when dogs were mentioned, Kate shuddered and made an awful face. I got the sense she still isn't a fan.

And if mama ain't happy ... :rotfl2:
 
All this talk of all the tups being healthy has got me thinking...Yes they are so lucky ...they got the perfect outcome..I know Kate gave birth at 31 weeks but does anyone know how long the tups were in the NICU?...Were they they always healthy..or were there problems with any of them early on?

Sometimes there can be a question mark over some preemies due to early problems and complications whilst in the NICU..various operations etc....Did the gosselins always pretty much know there tups were healthy or did they have to wait and see if they reahed milestones on time ..sitting up..walking etc.

Iam curious about this because I've just been watching Quints week here in the uK on discovery health and every family seemed to have at least some of the babies having problems early on.

the gosselins are so so lucky there situation turned out so well for them:)

Oh ...anyone know at how many weeks the twins were born?

Hannah and Leah were discharged on June 26, Alexis June 30, Joel July 2, Aaden and Collin July 9


The twins were just shy of 36 weeks and stayed in NICU 4 days. Mady weighed 5.1, Cara 5.3

This was from the Multiple Blessings book
 
I just saw a clip on Inside Edition. Kate admitted that she and Jon are having issues. For the kids, I hope they work it out!
 
I just saw a clip on Inside Edition. Kate admitted that she and Jon are having issues. For the kids, I hope they work it out!

link?

never mind. I found it ... Us Weekly or People have the upcoming story that the Gosselins are in a rough patch and may be splitting. The Gosselins PR people say the rumors are hurtful and untrue.

And they were on Entertainment Tonight (in the real or rumor segment) as well as Inside Edition.

sad. while I'm not a fan, I don't wish marital woes on anyone.
 
link?

never mind. it's already made it's way out into the blogosphere. Us Weekly or People have the story that the Gosselins are in a rough patch and may be splitting. The Gosselins PR people say the rumors are hurtful and untrue.

sad. while I'm not a fan, I don't wish marital woes on anyone.

Inside Edition is a tv show. Check your listings.
 
after 3 days .. I finally heard of one person that enjoyed Kate's speech and went to the book signing. LOL.
 
I was watching an older episode tonight (there must have been a mini marathon or something) and it was the "how did we get here" (I think that's the name) episode. I LOVED it - how J&Ks eyes light up when they were talking with each other, playing with the kids (specifically the time they were at the zoo feeding the giraffes sticks in my mind). It's just so different than it seems now. It was also ironic about Jon commenting on how "busy" things are on the "other end of the camera" and how much work it is to just "sit in the chair and talk". Must not be too much now huh??

Just seeing the older episode made me think about how different things are now....
 
after 3 days .. I finally heard of one person that enjoyed Kate's speech and went to the book signing. LOL.

I spoke to someone as well that went to this speaking engagement and loved going and thought it was great. I think that people are expecting way to much from her. She doesn't have the personality to go out there and be Anthony Robbins. I think now that shes used to doing these things, saying her story and leaving. And for that matter, what if they said to HER make sure you speak for 25 minutes. What if she was just asking, because they didn't want her to go over? I don't know, I think people live to bring this woman down. As a fan I will always give her the benefit of the doubt.:confused3


 
http://www.rescueeverydog.org/shepherd_breed.html

Highlights
Breed Profile
--Written By Tiami Coleburg
--Photographed and Co Written By Tanna McGill

Breed:
German Shepherd

Owner Level:
For experienced involved dog owners

Why are these dogs typically in animal shelters?

Other common reasons that owners leave their German Shepherd at a shelter are: Owner's inability to provide for this breed's intense emotional needs, socializing, training requirements and improper behaviors, which usually develop out of frustration, lack of proper training and inadequate exercise. Basically too much dog for an inadequate owner. Behavior problems can range from simple, such as house training, excessive activity level, digging, cat and dog aggression, property damage, to serious, such as human or stranger aggression and fear biting. Serious human or stranger aggression can be caused by their guarding tendencies, lack of socialization, abuse, or bad breeding. Some German Shepherds arrive at shelters because of owner neglect and abuse.

Who should own this breed?
A German Shepherd owner should be an extremely responsible person committed to the care, training and exercise of their dog. Such an owner should be knowledgeable about this breed type and the needs of the breed they are taking on. The heroic stories of German Shepherds and their lifesaving work and dedication for mankind are warming to the dog lovers heart. But they can also be misleading as these dog require a lot of time and work. Police dogs, seeing eye dogs, therapy dogs, good citizens award dogs; these dogs all got there with a good, involved owner/handler at the other end of the lead.

German Shepherds should never be allowed to roam loose in any public areas, or around strange dogs. German Shepherds should be securely contained when not supervised by an adult.

These dogs shed a lot. If you are offended by dog hair do not get a Shepherd.

Some German Shepherds are not good with small animals or cats. They can also have livestock issues, due to their herding instincts.

These dogs require a large commitment of time and energy from the owner. They do not come as a good to go dog and will be a reflection of the owners effort and commitment.


This breed should be spayed/neutered. Un neutered males can become male dog aggressive and hard to mange and are predisposed to some cancers. Unspayed females can become moody/difficult and predisposed to uterine problems and cancers.

One of the main keys to successful German Shepherd ownership is ongoing, positive obedience training and socialization.

Is this breed good with children?
Children and dogs should never be left alone and unattended, even for a moment. Young children do not have proper dog etiquette and dogs do not understand a child's behavior. This can result in tragedy with any breed of dog. German Shepherds tend to love and be dedicated to their human family and can be especially fond of children. The dogs temperament, socialization, training levels all need to be considered. These dogs can have a natural herding and prey drive instinct that can be a conflict or a danger with children. Like children, each dog is different in personality, energy and patience levels. So, each dog and child relationship should be considered individually.

How easy is training and house training with this breed?
German Shepherds are highly intelligent and generally, if in tune with their trainer, can learn some tasks in 2 to 10 repetitions. Like humans each dogs abilities, likes and dislikes will vary. In general a learning German Shepherd is a happy German Shepherd. Good training gives the German Shepherd and all dogs the ability to speak the same language with us. These dogs learn so quickly it is pretty easy to confuse or teach them bad habits if one is not careful. Give a German Shepherd good structure, leadership and rules in their life or they will structure their own life, make their own rules. These dogs should attend structured classes with a good instructor. The time required to housetrain a German Shepherd will vary depending on each dog and on the method used. Positive methods and consistency will work best for all training with this breed. Crate training seems to be of great assistance for most dogs in house-breaking.

Socializing this breed?
Socialization is one of the necessary requirements to successful German Shepherd ownership. Training and socializing is a must, not an option with this breed. The unsocialized German Shepherd can be dangerous. The highly intelligent German Shepherd, with it's protective and herding nature, if it is not channeled properly, can lead to serious trouble. This breed when unsocialized and not properly trained can become prone to fear biting, uncontrolled prey drive instincts, inappropriate herding traits, and dangerous guarding instincts. This breed is reserved with change, so they need to be continually exposed to a large variety of environments and experiences. They should be given the social skills and taught manners early on and on a ongoing basis. A German Shepherd should exhibit a reserved-to-friendly personality with strangers. They should not be aggressive. A German Shepherd that shows aggression, excessive shyness, skittish behavior should be evaluated by a professional trainer and behaviorist immediately. The German Shepherd can be the dog and friend of a lifetime in the hands of a loving, committed, involved owner. These amazing dogs are wasted or worse on any lesser owner.
 
I spoke to someone as well that went to this speaking engagement and loved going and thought it was great. I think that people are expecting way to much from her. She doesn't have the personality to go out there and be Anthony Robbins. I think now that shes used to doing these things, saying her story and leaving. And for that matter, what if they said to HER make sure you speak for 25 minutes. What if she was just asking, because they didn't want her to go over? I don't know, I think people live to bring this woman down. As a fan I will always give her the benefit of the doubt.:confused3

Some people are saying that she is getting paid around 25K for these speaking engagements. I think I would expect more for my money. Even if I paid $10, I would expect something original from the speaking and a tie in to the theme of the church at the very least.
 
I spoke to someone as well that went to this speaking engagement and loved going and thought it was great. I think that people are expecting way to much from her. She doesn't have the personality to go out there and be Anthony Robbins. I think now that shes used to doing these things, saying her story and leaving. And for that matter, what if they said to HER make sure you speak for 25 minutes. What if she was just asking, because they didn't want her to go over? I don't know, I think people live to bring this woman down. As a fan I will always give her the benefit of the doubt.:confused3

I have no doubt there were people who loved every second of it. My friend's daughter-in-law was one of them.

Kate came, and Kate went. She spoke, went to lunch in town, stopped by Target, zipped through her book signing, and went home. And that's that.

This town has moved on to following basketball -- it's tournament time!!
 
Some people are saying that she is getting paid around 25K for these speaking engagements. I think I would expect more for my money. Even if I paid $10, I would expect something original from the speaking and a tie in to the theme of the church at the very least.

I'm pretty sure they did not pay $25K for this speaking engagement. Kate was booked over a year ago, before the PR firm was hired.
 
Some people are saying that she is getting paid around 25K for these speaking engagements. I think I would expect more for my money. Even if I paid $10, I would expect something original from the speaking and a tie in to the theme of the church at the very least.

I have to say I agree with this as well. If Kate's working up the speech on her own (personally I wouldn't buy that) she should be getting the information when the speaking engagement is booked and be able to add something, at the very least, to the beginning or end to make it a bit more personalize. If Kate has someone helping her with these speeches (this is was I personally think) they should be getting that information and putting something together for her or giving her some details about the event to mention throughout the speech or something.

Personally, I'd be upset knowing an organization paid a lot of money for the same speech they could have gotten on youtube or something and didn't tailor to meet our agency's purpose of having her speak. I don't *hate* Kate, but I'm not a big fan of the "new and improved" barbie doll version of Kate either. I would feel this way regardless of who the speaker was. Maybe it's just part of my personality and I would like to think that many people (like I try very hard to do) use common sense and think about how other people think/feel and what they would like to get out of the event before committing to being a part of it. Granted I don't speak a lot publicly, but it's been part of my job in the past so I have a bit of experience here.

Sorry for the ramble...I seem to be a rambler today! :goodvibes
 
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