Jodi Arias Trial Part 8 EXTREME CRUELTY: PROVEN

[MaryAnnDVC]

I don't see the judge letting Nurmi and Willmont walk away until after Jodi is sentenced. They know the case, unless they could get a different lawyer to sign on stating they could continue in July, they will not be allowed to quit.

I agree. More reclinating, finger sniffing, hands on hips, high pitched shrieking...oh yeah, looking forward to it.

I never said anything about murder. Never even used the word.

All I ask is that you be careful when you make blanket statements like that as you could really hurt someone who suffers from the disorder. People with mental illnesses already feel misunderstood and are treated like they're "crazy" enough without actually doing anything to deserve it. I'm really sorry that you had a bad experience with someone with BPD. I had a bad experience with someone who was diabetic, but I don't blame the disease. There are just bad people out there.

I didn't say you did mention murder.

I know who I know. She's got BPD. With the extent that she has it, and how it manifests, I believe she could do physical harm if physically capable. THIS PERSON THAT I KNOW. No blanket statements. I have nothing to "be careful" about.

Oh...welcome to the DIS. I see you're a newbie, just two weeks!

Yes he is the guy who killed Treyvon Martin in Florida esrly last year. His trial is June 10.

I was just correcting George "Martinez" to George Zimmerman. I know who he is.

 

[WPack911]

To the people that that want to attack me now for what I said earlier, I don't care if you agree with it, I said what I feel. This jury did PART of their job, but they did not finish the job!

You don't come 90% of the way and then quit, that is not finishing the job! Even if it was Life it would of at least been the end, I think the death penalty is appropriate, but at least it would of been over and the families could of tried to start move on.

Now they get nothing, and even worse the Defense team might be able to even legally block and/or delay this penalty phase now thanks to this. This the THE WORST possible outcome in this phase, much worse then life in prison even!

It's funny to see all these people coming out of the woodwork to throw dirt on Travis now as if Jodi did not do it enough. You come at the easiest moment knowing that the people that have watched this trial and wanted justice for months are upset. You people are like vultures that pick at others when they are down, the lowest of the low. I hope you are happy while you get your kicks off our pain now, the same way Jodi got her kicks in this trial.

 

[WDW in Pearls]

I agree. More reclinating, finger sniffing, hands on hips, high pitched shrieking...oh yeah, looking forward to it. I didn't say you did mention murder.

I know who I know. She's got BPD. With the extent that she has it, and how it manifests, I believe she could do physical harm if physically capable. THIS PERSON THAT I KNOW. No blanket statements. I have nothing to "be careful" about.

Oh...welcome to the DIS. I see you're a newbie, just two weeks!I was just correcting George "Martinez" to George Zimmerman. I know who he is.

I didn't say you have to be careful, just asking a favor

And thank you for the welcome

 

[Luv'sTink]

I'm so upset by this, but probably for much different reasons than everyone else. I can't believe we still live in a society where people actually root for someone's death. I understand the family's anger completely, but its amazing what this has turned into and how people think they know everything about what actually happened.

Maybe it's because I'm a victim of domestic abuse myself and because I spend so much time volunteering for a local shelter, but I can't shake the thought that there's a tiny possibility that Travis wasn't 100% innocent. Seeing what I've seen, I can't help but wonder if she killed him because he didn't have the chance to kill her first. But again, my opinion is extremely biased.

Why is it that you believe JA was the victim of abuse? Because Travis is a man and JA is a women, and women can't be the abuser?

The Prosecutor had many witness that said JA was a stalker and wouldn't leave HIM alone. JA has no one, not one person that said Travis ever abused her, not one person who said they seen JA with bruises. Lots of people have wicked tongues but that doesn't mean they would kill someone or even hit them. She went to him, he did not travel the thousand miles to get to her.

I think Travis was the victim, not JA.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I wouldn't either ... I'm pretty sure @Jodiannarias is her twitter account ... Just not sure about the @Jodiann_arias account ... But whatever which one, I still think it's crazy that she can even have one at all

Isn't Donovan in trouble with her parole officer for associating with Jodi? I wonder how that works...if she can still talk to her on the phone? Someone else talking to her on the phone and passing the tweet along?

I think it's really kind of weird the way the family has hooked up with Donovan. She was usually the one pushing granny's wheelchair. Well, she can take Jodi's place at the holidays that poor Jodi is going to miss.

 

[hereyago]

I agree. More reclinating, finger sniffing, hands on hips, high pitched shrieking...oh yeah, looking forward to it. I didn't say you did mention murder.

I know who I know. She's got BPD. With the extent that she has it, and how it manifests, I believe she could do physical harm if physically capable. THIS PERSON THAT I KNOW. No blanket statements. I have nothing to "be careful" about.

Oh...welcome to the DIS. I see you're a newbie, just two weeks!I was just correcting George "Martinez" to George Zimmerman. I know who he is.

Oops, sorry lol.

 

[WDW in Pearls]

Why is it that you believe JA was the victim of abuse? Because Travis is a man and JA is a women, and women can't be the abuser?

Absolutely not. Don't turn it into that.

In my volunteer work I've seen victims of all ages, races, sexual orientations AND genders. Sometimes things just aren't always what they seem. Definitely not saying she's absolutely innocent and he's absolutely guilty, what I'm saying is that I don't know. Personally, I couldn't put someone to death if I had even a small shadow of doubt. That's not to say I couldn't...there was a case of a school shooting recently where the kid literally laughed at the victims families in court. Then I could. But that's a little off topic.

 

[BearcatsFan]

Absolutely not. Don't turn it into that.

In my volunteer work I've seen victims of all ages, races, sexual orientations AND genders. Sometimes things just aren't always what they seem. Definitely not saying she's absolutely innocent and he's absolutely guilty, what I'm saying is that I don't know. Personally, I couldn't put someone to death if I had even a small shadow of doubt. That's not to say I couldn't...there was a case of a school shooting recently where the kid literally laughed at the victims families in court. Then I could. But that's a little off topic.

Can I ask you something - how much of the trial did you watch? Just curious.

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Can I ask you something - how much of the trial did you watch? Just curious.

I don't post on this thread because I don't follow all that closely but I do follow it and the generic updates on the case on the news and in articles.

I don't think that poster followed very much.

Abused or not, J.A. is nuts and Travis died in a very violent and brutal manor! IMO it was not self defense in any way.

 

[horseshowmom]

I know who I know. She's got BPD. With the extent that she has it, and how it manifests, I believe she could do physical harm if physically capable. THIS PERSON THAT I KNOW. No blanket statements. I have nothing to "be careful" about.

I agree.

While the person I know hasn't been diagnosed with anything in particular other than being narcissistic when they were a teenager, and the family tried to get them help, they HAVE been guilty of great violence though in fits of rage - destroying someone's vehicle, almost beating an animal to death (accused before of other cruel behavior, but this time an independent witness saw it and called the sheriff but fellow church members testified that they knew this person well and they could NEVER have done anything so violent - later burned them too), and much more.

They have been charged with criminal acts as a teen and as an adult and managed to get out of it by manipulating the court (teen records were sealed and used family health circumstances as an adult to get probation - then basically spit on that family member).

They move on to new groups - like Jodi - because it's easy to establish a "new" persona, and they know how to be likeable (loveable even) and how to present themselves as being victims. They have VICTIM down to an art form.

I don't have any sympathy for Jodi because I "know" her personally (figuratively). I will not be surprised to hear at some point that the person I know has done great physical harm to someone. I can see them planning and orchestrating just like Jodi did. It's a scary picture and a real one.

Someone like that deserves the death penalty, and they don't deserve special treatment while they wait for it.

 

[WDW in Pearls]

Can I ask you something - how much of the trial did you watch? Just curious.

I've followed, albeit not as religiously as others (I work during the day so I sometimes have to catch up online). There's no question that she did it, but like I said, with what I do I have a little but of bias that most others wouldn't have.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I didn't say you have to be careful, just asking a favor

And thank you for the welcome

Right. "All I ask is that you be careful"...and I stated that I have nothing to be careful about.

Why is it that you believe JA was the victim of abuse? Because Travis is a man and JA is a women, and women can't be the abuser?

The Prosecutor had many witness that said JA was a stalker and wouldn't leave HIM alone. JA has no one, not one person that said Travis ever abused her, not one person who said they seen JA with bruises. Lots of people have wicked tongues but that doesn't mean they would kill someone or even hit them. She went to him, he did not travel the thousand miles to get to her.

I think Travis was the victim, not JA.

Oops, sorry lol.

LOL We've all had our "duh" moments. A few years ago, I took DS and his prom date to visit my mom in Assisted Living, and I introduced his then girlfriend as "Casey Anthony." And my DS, his then girlfriend, my mom and a whole bunch of old people looked at me like "" and I had no idea what I had said. (In my defense, her name was similar.)

Well, just announced to DH that I'm going to be breathing down his neck with nothing to do for the next two months. He's so happy!

DS just sent a picture of the view from his summer apartment on the 42nd floor in NY...awesome! Maybe I can go breath down his (and his roommates') neck too.

 

[horseshowmom]

Isn't Donovan in trouble with her parole officer for associating with Jodi? I wonder how that works...if she can still talk to her on the phone? Someone else talking to her on the phone and passing the tweet along?

I think it's really kind of weird the way the family has hooked up with Donovan. She was usually the one pushing granny's wheelchair. Well, she can take Jodi's place at the holidays that poor Jodi is going to miss.

If she's not, she should be.

Agree that it's weird. I can understand being concerned about your family member, but why would you connect with a former inmate???

 

[WDW in Pearls]

I don't post on this thread because I don't follow all that closely but I do follow it and the generic updates on the case on the news and in articles.

I don't think that poster followed very much.

Abused or not, J.A. is nuts and Travis died in a very violent and brutal manor! IMO it was not self defense in any way.

Manner, and I never said it was self defense. How could it possibly be?

Anyway, I guess I should have expected to be flamed for this. I'm certainly not going to start a Free Jodi crusade or anything, because I and many other women have been in abusive relationships and managed not to kill anyone. I think she has serious issues and MAYBE if she had gotten help she could have been fine, but that's kind of irrelevant because you can't help people that don't want help. That's all I really have left to say. You can flame and insult my intelligence all you like

 

[Soldier's*Sweeties]

Manner, and I never said it was self defense. How could it possibly be?

Anyway, I guess I should have expected to be flamed for this. I'm certainly not going to start a Free Jodi crusade or anything, because I and many other women have been in abusive relationships and managed not to kill anyone. I think she has serious issues and MAYBE if she had gotten help she could have been fine, but that's kind of irrelevant because you can't help people that don't want help. That's all I really have left to say. You can flame and insult my intelligence all you like

Sorry if I misunderstood you intent.

And I don't think anyone insulted your intelligence.

 

[horseshowmom]

I've followed, albeit not as religiously as others (I work during the day so I sometimes have to catch up online). There's no question that she did it, but like I said, with what I do I have a little but of bias that most others wouldn't have.

I understand bias. I was molested as a child. It would have been easy to wonder whether "just maybe" she was telling the truth about Travis being a pedophile. While the one tape was inappropriate, I saw no other evidence that lent itself to supporting her accusation - absolutely none (and in fact, I suspect she worked to get that tape to turn out just how she wanted in order to try to blackmail him with it). I didn't allow my possible bias to overrule my perception of the evidence.

Manner, and I never said it was self defense. How could it possibly be?

Didn't you say that she may have had to kill him to keep from being killed? Maybe I'm remembering wrong. If so, I apologize.


ETA: I didn't phrase it exactly how you did. You said, "I can't help but wonder if she killed him because he didn't have the chance to kill her first." Wouldn't that be considered self-defense? I'm not flaming you, I just strongly disagree with you.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I don't post on this thread because I don't follow all that closely but I do follow it and the generic updates on the case on the news and in articles.

I don't think that poster followed very much.

Abused or not, J.A. is nuts and Travis died in a very violent and brutal manor! IMO it was not self defense in any way.

Agreed.

I agree.

While the person I know hasn't been diagnosed with anything in particular other than being narcissistic when they were a teenager, and the family tried to get them help. They HAVE been guilty of great violence though in fits of rage - destroying someone's vehicle, almost beating an animal to death (accused before of other cruel behavior, but this time an independent witness saw it and called the sheriff but fellow church members testified that they knew this person well and they could NEVER have done anything so violent - later burned them too), and much more.

They have been charged with criminal acts as a teen and as an adult and managed to get out of it by manipulating the court (teen records were sealed and used family health circumstances as an adult to get probation - then basically spit on that family member).

They move onto new groups - like Jodi - because it's easy to establish a "new" persona, and they know how to be likeable (loveable even) and how to present themselves as being victims. They have VICTIM down to an art form.

I don't have any sympathy for Jodi because I "know" her personally (figuratively). I will not be surprised to hear at some point that the person I know has done great physical harm to someone. I can see them planning and orchestrating just like Jodi did. It's a scary picture and a real one.

Someone like that deserves the death penalty, and they don't deserve special treatment while they wait for it.

I so agree, but you know that. I always said that my sister's "job" title...her very purpose in life...is VICTIM. She manipulates people left and right. I have NO doubt she thinks of me as her "abuser" since I'd sometimes speak up to her and eventually cut her out of my life, much to her dismay. Hadn't felt that WONDERFUL in years. My only regret, as I've said, is that I didn't get her out of my life MUCH earlier.

 

[Luv'sTink]

Manner, and I never said it was self defense. How could it possibly be?

Anyway, I guess I should have expected to be flamed for this. I'm certainly not going to start a Free Jodi crusade or anything, because I and many other women have been in abusive relationships and managed not to kill anyone. I think she has serious issues and MAYBE if she had gotten help she could have been fine, but that's kind of irrelevant because you can't help people that don't want help. That's all I really have left to say. You can flame and insult my intelligence all you like

No one flamed or insulted you. You're the one telling people they cant know what they know and because you were a abuse victim you are bias.

This sounds very familiar to me.......

 

[horseshowmom]

Agreed. I so agree, but you know that. I always said that my sister's "job" title...her very purpose in life...is VICTIM. She manipulates people left and right. I have NO doubt she thinks of me as her "abuser" since I'd sometimes speak up to her and eventually cut her out of my life, much to her dismay. Hadn't felt that WONDERFUL in years. My only regret, as I've said, is that I didn't get her out of my life MUCH earlier.

And unless someone has had close personal observation of that type of behavior, it may be hard to understand, but Jodi was an exceptional illustration (with pictures, no less).

And, yes, you did the right thing because you had to for your own mental health, but no doubt you are right, you have abused your sister miserably.

 

[Jessica14]

In general,I have not been a pro DP person. I've always been too concerned with mistakes. In this case, I feel very differently. It was so twisted and violent and she is so cold and calculated that I can't help thinking that she deserves the DP.

I have never been abused nor can I speak for anyone who has been but, IMHO she lied about the abuse. If I had been a battered woman, I would be outraged that she used that defense. She can potentially destroy cases down the line for those who really were using self-defense to stop an attack. I feel its just going to call every battered woman's motives into questions now. She has done more to hurt victims than help at this stage.