Jesus wasn't resurrected

[magicmato]

faith turns people into suicide bombers.

No, fanaticism does. Faith is not the same as fanaticism. (Though sometimes the line does blur, lol.)

 

[Alicnwondrln]

OT but i just have to say i love calvin and hobbes

 

[Saxsoon]

I am gone for one day and this thread jumps 16 pages.

Hey amity, that is not all that faith does. It turns us into koolaid drinkers that put the republican party to shame.

I think that if there truly is an all powerful God who did send himself/son to Earth, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch for that person to have resurrected himself and others and did all of the other stuff he did. Of course the first step would be believing a God of some sorts exist. After that, miracles don't seem quite as unbelievable.

I will probably tune in if I am not busy that night, and it should be interesting to see the aftershocks of this.

 

[JoyG]

if my wife would let me, I'd marry Jenny in a heartbeat. but she has to let me have bacon in my diet.

JoyG's is in the on deck circle.

 

[mickeyfan2]

movies are released in theaters, this is a television show.

Have you ever heard of made for TV movies? I think this is more of a documentary. They can be movies too just aske the penguins.

 

[mickeyfan2]

Ahh, well that changes everything.

I'll head over to the church and pack up the altar. The end of Christianity has arrived.

Maybe we could form a company and go around getting rid of those Churches. Might make us rich!

 

[mickeyfan2]

I am not understanding how anyone could prove he did not resurrect? Not really directed at you, but at everyone who has talked about anyone proving it. I would think that, at most, if they could prove this was *the* Jesus, all it would show is that he did not disappear off the face of the earth. Would it really prove he did not resurrect?

After all, we cannot definitively prove or disprove anything from that long ago.

Finding Jesus' bones would prove he did not resurrect. He went to Heaven in Body and Soul. That is what made him different than me. I will leave my body behind and hope that I was good enough for my Soul to go to Heaven to be with the Father.

 

[magicmato]

Finding Jesus' bones would prove he did not resurrect. He went to Heaven in Body and Soul. That is what made him different than me. I will leave my body behind and hope that I was good enough for my Soul to go to Heaven to be with the Father.

See, I think that is a misuse of the word "resurrect". (Though it could indeed be how it is used in the Bible, I do not remember.) Resurrecting (coming back from the dead) is different than disappearing off the face of the earth. Perhaps he did disappear from public view. Perhaps he resurrected (came back from the dead) and after giving one last (or however many) speech, he retired, settled down and had a family.

Again, I would have *more* faith if that was the case than in a man who supposedly transmografied off the planet. Isn't raising from the dead enough? lol

(Oddly, I have heard people make fun of the ancient cultures who believed in gods who could come to earth, impregnate people, change shape, etc.)

Again, read my intent here. I am *not* bashing anyone's faith. I am merely offering up something for discussion and I do not expect anyone to agree with me, but please do not flame saying I am trying to be mean.

 

[JoyG]

See, I think that is a misuse of the word "resurrect". (Though it could indeed be how it is used in the Bible, I do not remember.) Resurrecting (coming back from the dead) is different than disappearing off the face of the earth. Perhaps he did disappear from public view. Perhaps he resurrected (came back from the dead) and after giving one last (or however many) speech, he retired, settled down and had a family.

The bible says he did both. He resurrected...then after appearing numerous times...he ascended (disappeared from the face of the earth).

The point being, death did not keep Him. Resurrecting only to die again at a different time takes the meaning out of the story.

 

[Buckalew11]

The bible says he did both. He resurrected...then after appearing numerous times...he ascended (disappeared from the face of the earth).

The point being, death did not keep Him. Resurrecting only to die again at a different time takes the meaning out of the story.

Exactly.
And He said He was going to Heaven to be seated at right hand of God. Nothing about hanging around earth and starting a family. "I go to prepare a place for you."

 

[aquinas]

Just an FYI for those interested:

http://www.sfpulpit.com/

see the posts titled:

Don’t Lose Any Sleep Over Jesus’ Lost Tomb

&

The Lost Tomb of Jesus?

 

[Jennasis]

Always the religious threads draw out the faith-bashers like Amity3.

I will simply say this: I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I am not a Catholic anymore. I think my Christian faith transcends conventional group labels (i.e. Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Baptist etc...). I have seen God's miracles first hand. I have literally been touched by the hand of Christ (a life altering experience). There is no one who can convince me that God/Jesus does not exist. Not James Cameron, and certainly not anyone on the DIS.

 

[salmoneous]

Yep, that is where faith comes in. If it can be proven, then there is no faith.

One of the quirks of Christianity is that God wants - no requires - us to have faith.

Proof of Jesus' existence and divinity - whether direct proof some archeologist may dig up - or indirect proof based on the actions of early Christians - are things we don't need. And, as far as I can tell, things God does not want us to have.

Why? I haven't a clue. But it's clear that's the way God set things up.

 

[cybrkitn]

James Cameron is entitled to his opinion. I don't agree with it, but it is after all his own opinion and will not change my belief as a Christian.

 

[LuvDuke]

I think the question isn't whether or not you believe in whatever you believe in. The question is: What if you're proven wrong? As people dig deeper and deeper, that is a distinct possibility. Do you just ignore physical evidence? Does faith mean continuing to believe in something that never happened? At what point does faith become delusion?

All potshots aside, what if James Cameron is 100% right? That's the question.

 

[cardaway]

Never said you had to have blind faith. Try not to read what you want into my words, please. I said that you cannot state that the Bible is fact and that the power in the book comes from the faith people have in it, not because it is pure fact. I can point to many many books that are in my library, great books of fiction that reference real places, real people and real things that happened, but the way they are put together, the dialog and the events are made up to further the story, since no one knows what actually happened at that time, what was actually said and what people actually thought. The authors researched the time, the people and the events that the book centers upon and then used that as the framework to make a really fantastic story. Anyone, 2,000 years from now, can look back and see that the people, places and events actually took place, but that still does not mean that the book itself, that the story, is indeed fact.

I am not stating that the bible is not a great book, nor am I trying to say that it is all fiction. I am merely stating that it cannot and will never be "fact", simply because it cannot be proven as such. Your faith may say differently to *you*, but that does not change the truth. As a book, as a narrative, it is powerful, but it cannot be used in an argument as proof of anything.

Well said.

I think of it as one of those books that combines a lot of factual history with a considerable amount of other content. Pointing to the historical parst that can be backed up doesn't make the whole thing totally factual.

 

[aquinas]

I think the question isn't whether or not you believe in whatever you believe in. The question is: What if you're proven wrong? As people dig deeper and deeper, that is a distinct possibility. Do you just ignore physical evidence? Does faith mean continuing to believe in something that never happened? At what point does faith become delusion?

All potshots aside, what if James Cameron is 100% right? That's the question.

Cameron is nowhere near being right. There are so many holes in this that you would have to have a faith in his theory that would exceed the most devout Christian faith. Cameron is asking the viewers to take great leaps and bounds to join him in his conclusions. Not that Cameron has been known for his historic accuracies in his films like the Titantic where he shows smoke blowing from all four smokestacks when one was actually a fake smokestack in reality. He couldnt get a minor detail like that correct what makes you think that he has anything close to correct in this piece. It is just another work of science fiction from Cameron.

Larry King Live had a show on this last night that I watched. They trotted out James Tabor who had previously asserted in one of his books that Joesph wasnt the father of Jesus and now he says on Larry King that these claims of the "lost tomb" are credible? talk about lack of credibility.

Every year around this time, heresies like this spring up. It is no coincidence.

 

[Jennasis]

I think the question isn't whether or not you believe in whatever you believe in. The question is: What if you're proven wrong? As people dig deeper and deeper, that is a distinct possibility. Do you just ignore physical evidence? Does faith mean continuing to believe in something that never happened? At what point does faith become delusion?

All potshots aside, what if James Cameron is 100% right? That's the question.

There isn't a way (as far as I can tell) to prove that God does or does not exist. Jesus DID exist. There were thousands of eye witnesses who actually saw him.

I think the hypothetical you propose is interesting but impossible. However if you'd like to talk to people who believe in things that never happened, just find yourself a Scientologist and ask them about Xenu!

 

[aquinas]

transcript of Larry King Live last night discussing the TV program. scroll down past the interview with Laura Bush

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0702/26/lkl.01.html

 

[magicmato]

There isn't a way (as far as I can tell) to prove that God does or does not exist. Jesus DID exist. There were thousands of eye witnesses who actually saw him.

I think the hypothetical you propose is interesting but impossible. However if you'd like to talk to people who believe in things that never happened, just find yourself a Scientologist and ask them about Xenu!

Jesus may have existed, but you cannot prove he was anything other than human. That is the faith part.