Jesus changed my life!!!!!

[Buckalew11]

You're entitled to your opinions but I thought we were past the scolding of Jenny on this thread.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

All I ask is that anyone who scolds Jenny would go ahead and read the thread. So far there is not much here to grouse about. Take it from a guy who can be a grouser.

 

[rie'smom]

You're entitled to your opinions but I thought we were past the scolding of Jenny on this thread.

Thanks for letting me have my own opinion. I found the thread tonight and thought it was my right to post a statement of my feelings. Sorry if I offended the feelings police.NOT.

 

[JennyMominRI]

All I ask is that anyone who scolds Jenny would go ahead and read the thread. So far there is not much here to grouse about. Take it from a guy who can be a grouser.

Thanks guys..Clearly,I did not come off in the manner it was intended..I assume that people *get* my sense of humor and would know I meant it in jest. I also assumed everyone was reading the other thread . My thread was a direct TIC response to the poster who said "Hey Jesus is in the title of this thread(which was about skywriting) so that makes this a great place to witness".. That exactly why I stated in my OP,witness here,Look Jesus is even in the thread title.
Anyway, When people didn't *get* it my feelings got hurt and I got defensive. I'm glad it is turning into a positive thread...Hopefully I haven't done too much damage.

 

[Buckalew11]

Okey-dokey then.

Jenny went throught the ringer tonight and I highly doubt she was trying to be mean to Christians. She's a very respectful poster. All I was saying was we were getting past that on this thread and it had moved on.

But, it was nice to see that christian love shining through. NOT.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Night all..Maybe we can talk some more tomorrow.

 

[scraptoons]

Having some Jewish interaction of Jesus being the Son of God has been very educating for me. Thank you for some interesting reading. It has raised intellectual stimilation for my own Christian faith.

We've been teaching our Sunday School children a whole lot about Jewish History and Law found in the OT scriptures of the Bible.

I have one question in regards to the other gods that have claimed to be risen from the dead....

Have any of these persons, other than Jesus, been able to consistently fulfill hundreds of prophecies of the coming Messiah?

So much of the New Testament references of Jesus and spoken by Jesus have fulfilled a remarkable amount of the Jewish prophecies.
Would you know how the other persons compare? Just a little curiosity going here.

Also, could you share with us, how much importance is the fulfillment of scripture to the modern day Jew? Is the place set at Passover a true act of faith, or it merely a holiday custom?

 

[Fitswimmer]

Thanks guys..Clearly,I did not come off in the manner it was intended..I assume that people *get* my sense of humor and would know I meant it in jest. I also assumed everyone was reading the other thread . My thread was a direct TIC response to the poster who said "Hey Jesus is in the title of this thread(which was about skywriting) so that makes this a great place to witness".. That exactly why I stated in my OP,witness here,Look Jesus is even in the thread title.

I didn't get it at first, because I didn't read the skywriting thread. I'm glad I stuck with it because it has been an enlightening discussion. I love learning about how other people came to their faith-no matter what that faith is. Sadly, there are those on this board that can't share their faith without implying that others are wrong and that's where feelings get hurt and people get angry. There are also some posters who jump into threads about religion merely to state how stupid they think religious people are, which is just plain rude.

I hope this thread stays alive awhile because it has great potential.

 

[lovethattink]

I'm so glad this thread made a change to the better. I'm also so glad at the overall compassion most posters are having for each other.

Growing up, my family was United Methodist. Both Dad and Mom were Sunday School teachers and going to church wasn't a choice for me. My parents taught me to love people unconditionally. (I think that's a trait that I'm so glad I learned early on in life.) I was never exposed to any type of prejudice until I was on my own in college. Mom and Dad taught me Jesus loves everyone unconditionally and that's how I was to view people. I was also taught to forgive and forget, as Christ does when sins are forgiven.

When I was in 4th grade I kept having this dream. I dreamed that I was at a room with lots of windows, standing there holding a little boy's hand. I heard a loud noise and suddenly I was up in the sky looking down at where I had been standing. This dream was recurring and one day I was in my friend's dad's car. He was taking me to the hospital to visit his daughter and he noticed I was quiet. He asked me what was wrong. I told him about the dream I kept having. At the time he was an elder at the local Mormon church. He asked me if I ever heard of the rapture, and I had no clue what he was talking about. He tried to explain it to me, but it was very confusing to me back then. Shortly after that, my 4th grade teacher (I went to public school) had invited me to a 2nd Chapter of Acts concert. Alot of the kids and parents went and we rented a bus. It was at this concert that I was first introduced to the concept of being saved. Almost all the kids in the class were saved that night. I can remember leaving the bleachers and walking up front to receive a Good News Bible with my class mates. We all discussed it on the way home and none of us felt like it was road to Damascus experience, but we all agreed we definatley felt the power of the Holy Spirit that night in that gymnasium.

Fast forward to my adulthood. I was married and had my first child. Shortly after that my grandparents were in a car accident and both were killed. The other driver (a 16 year old) was found at fault. He was fined and given 5 points on his license. Forgiving him was one of the hardest things I have ever done in my life. I pray for him often that he can live his life without great guilt, because he had his whole life ahead of him.

Their death brought me to so many questions about my own mortality and faith. I began digging deeper and deeper. I was asking my pastor questions and looking into the Bible for the answers as well. I think this was the "ah ha" moment of my faith. Where life altering questions of faith were discovered and answered.

 

[Lanshark]

Originally Posted by Pugdog007
I'm sorry, but knowing that you're Jewish (because you've told us many times before), it sounds as if you're ridiculing or making fun of those of us who are Christians. I find your post to be in very poor taste.




I would agree Jenny.

I'm kind of disappointed because you are usually so tolerant of other folks'
religions. I always enjoy your input into religious discussions because it is usually so respectful.

I expected different from you.
Today 03:59 AM

I totally agree.I too was baffled by Jenny's post because it is not her typical style to mock something as personal as religion. I did view it as mocking but chose to give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe the tread came out of the frustration of trying to exchange ideas on other threads. Those types of threads usually degenerate because there is no exchange of ideas. It's my way or the highway. Tolerance and respect are usually lost. That has not happened in this thread and the OP needs to be commended for controlling the tone of this thread.

The thread has been a fairly respectful, productive exchange of experiences. Few threads involving religious exchanges of ideas are respectful or productive. That is a positive thing.

I am a Christian. It is part of my core. It is a choice. I view it as a personal choice. I make every attempt to live in a way that reflects Christianity. Unfortunately, I fall short. Luckily, I'm covered.

 

[cardaway]

glad to see this thread has turned into a nice discussion of belief.

something was posted on the skywriter thread that really struck me - an excerpt from a bill maher quote: "There's no greater role model, in my view, than Jesus Christ."

i absolutely agree with this. maybe a few are on the same plane as jesus, role model-wise, but jesus is no doubt absolutely a great role model. everytime i read the new testament i find myself nodding my head a lot. i stumble on the whole god thing though.

i find it difficult to understand anyone who feels that jesus is not a good role model. i mean, a lot of stuff about how to treat your fellow man is not exactly controversial (in my book).

That was certainly my intent in posting that quote.

 

[Not so Dumbo]

That about sums it up for me too.

For everyone who isn't a Christian, please remember that eventhough I am, I am still human, I am not any better than anyone else, I WILL make mistakes, say things that I shouldn't say or say things that come off the wrong way. Please don't base your opinion of Jesus on me, but rather the Bible and if you are someday willing, prayer. If you can tell Him all of your thoughts, doubts and fears and then listen with an open heart. I believe He will answer them for you.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Having some Jewish interaction of Jesus being the Son of God has been very educating for me. Thank you for some interesting reading. It has raised intellectual stimilation for my own Christian faith.

We've been teaching our Sunday School children a whole lot about Jewish History and Law found in the OT scriptures of the Bible.

I have one question in regards to the other gods that have claimed to be risen from the dead....

Have any of these persons, other than Jesus, been able to consistently fulfill hundreds of prophecies of the coming Messiah?

So much of the New Testament references of Jesus and spoken by Jesus have fulfilled a remarkable amount of the Jewish prophecies.
Would you know how the other persons compare? Just a little curiosity going here.

Also, could you share with us, how much importance is the fulfillment of scripture to the modern day Jew? Is the place set at Passover a true act of faith, or it merely a holiday custom?

Hi Scraptoons...Fulfilling the prophecies are very importan..The thing is,while Jews share some Messianic prophecies with Christians,others are different...One exaple would be the virginbirth prophecy...It just doesn't exist in the Tanakh..The Jews are not and were not looking for a virgin birth. They also were not looking for s savior...That is just not a Jewish concept... The messiah also must have a very specific lineage,One that Jesus does not have. The Jewish messiah must fulfill the lineage propecy in accordance with Jewish law.
There have been many failed Messiahs over the years..SOme with much better qualification,like Bar Kochba for example

 

[JennyMominRI]

I totally agree.I too was baffled by Jenny's post because it is not her typical style to mock something as personal as religion. I did view it as mocking but chose to give her the benefit of the doubt. I believe the tread came out of the frustration of trying to exchange ideas on other threads. Those types of threads usually degenerate because there is no exchange of ideas. It's my way or the highway. Tolerance and respect are usually lost. That has not happened in this thread and the OP needs to be commended for controlling the tone of this thread.

The thread has been a fairly respectful, productive exchange of experiences. Few threads involving religious exchanges of ideas are respectful or productive. That is a positive thing.

I am a Christian. It is part of my core. It is a choice. I view it as a personal choice. I make every attempt to live in a way that reflects Christianity. Unfortunately, I fall short. Luckily, I'm covered.

I appreciate you giving me the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I'm so glad this thread made a change to the better. I'm also so glad at the overall compassion most posters are having for each other.

Growing up, my family was United Methodist. Both Dad and Mom were Sunday School teachers and going to church wasn't a choice for me. My parents taught me to love people unconditionally. (I think that's a trait that I'm so glad I learned early on in life.) I was never exposed to any type of prejudice until I was on my own in college. Mom and Dad taught me Jesus loves everyone unconditionally and that's how I was to view people. I was also taught to forgive and forget, as Christ does when sins are forgiven.

When I was in 4th grade I kept having this dream. I dreamed that I was at a room with lots of windows, standing there holding a little boy's hand. I heard a loud noise and suddenly I was up in the sky looking down at where I had been standing. This dream was recurring and one day I was in my friend's dad's car. He was taking me to the hospital to visit his daughter and he noticed I was quiet. He asked me what was wrong. I told him about the dream I kept having. At the time he was an elder at the local Mormon church. He asked me if I ever heard of the rapture, and I had no clue what he was talking about. He tried to explain it to me, but it was very confusing to me back then. Shortly after that, my 4th grade teacher (I went to public school) had invited me to a 2nd Chapter of Acts concert. Alot of the kids and parents went and we rented a bus. It was at this concert that I was first introduced to the concept of being saved. Almost all the kids in the class were saved that night. I can remember leaving the bleachers and walking up front to receive a Good News Bible with my class mates. We all discussed it on the way home and none of us felt like it was road to Damascus experience, but we all agreed we definatley felt the power of the Holy Spirit that night in that gymnasium.

Fast forward to my adulthood. I was married and had my first child. Shortly after that my grandparents were in a car accident and both were killed. The other driver (a 16 year old) was found at fault. He was fined and given 5 points on his license. Forgiving him was one of the hardest things I have ever done in my life. I pray for him often that he can live his life without great guilt, because he had his whole life ahead of him.

Their death brought me to so many questions about my own mortality and faith. I began digging deeper and deeper. I was asking my pastor questions and looking into the Bible for the answers as well. I think this was the "ah ha" moment of my faith. Where life altering questions of faith were discovered and answered.

First, thanks for sharing some of your faith story. I am so sorry about the tragedy involving your grandparents. How terrible! I never cease to be amazed at how God uses such deep pain and tragdy in our lives to draw us closer to him. Not that I believe he will sit upon us, but he suffers with us through it and we often come out -by grace -with a more meaningful relationship with God.

 

[lovesmurfs]

The messiah also must have a very specific lineage,One that Jesus does not have. The Jewish messiah must fulfill the lineage propecy in accordance with Jewish law.

I was under the impression that, being of the house of David, that He did fulfill this prophecy?

 

[JennyMominRI]

I was under the impression that, being of the house of David, that He did fulfill this prophecy?

It's compliicated..Under Jewish law lineage is passed down by the biological father..This practice starts in the book of Numbers and it the way Jews have determined lineage for thousands of years.. If a child is born to a mother who is a Levite and a Father who is a Kohein,the child is a Kohein...If the kohein is adopted by 2 levites he stays a Koheins and has the rights and obligations of one..A child does not obtain the lineage of his adopted parents..
Likewise if 2 Koheins adopt a Levite,the child stays a levite..He does not become a Kohein
The Messiahs geneological requirements are more complicated than that too
,The Messiah must be a biological desendent of David and Soloman,but not Jeconiah

1 Chronicles 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. [10] He shall build a house for my name; and he shall be My son, and I [will be] his Father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. (KJV)

He also may NOT pass through the line of Jeconiah who is cursed here.
Jeremiah 22:24 [As] I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence; [25] And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand [of them] whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans. [26] And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die. [27] But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return. [28] [Is] this man Coniah a despised broken idol? [is he] a vessel wherein [is] no pleasure? Wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? [29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. [30] Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man [that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. (KJV)

So here we see that the Messiah must be the biological progeny of David and of Solomen but not of Jeconiah

The first problem is that if the story is true, Jesus has no lineage as he has no biological father.. Though one could argue that he was adopted by Joseph one does not change lineage through adoption
Also Josephs geneology passes through Jeconiah, disqualifying him
The lineage claimed to be of Mary(which doesn't matter under Jewish law as she is the mother) does not pass through Solomen ,but through Nathan instead.

 

[Lanshark]

I am predisposed to believe Christ fulfilled prophesy therefore I intrepret scripture in a way that confirms that Christ did indeed fulfill prophesy.

You may be predisposed to believe that Christ did not fulfill prophesy. You would therefore intrepret scripture in a way that would lend credence to your beliefs.

This is why people will be debating religion until the end of times

 

[BelleMcNally]

I'm off to Notre Dame for the weekend (now, THERE'S something that will turn this thread ugly fast!! ), But I just wanted to quickly say how great it is to read about all of your personal religious experiences and, for lack of a better phrase, marvel about how amazing it can be to have a human soul. Thank you all for sharing.

I hope this thread is still here and we're all still sharing when I come back.

Have a great weekend, all!!

 

[bubie2.5]

It's compliicated..Under Jewish law lineage is passed down by the biological father..This practice starts in the book of Numbers and it the way Jews have determined lineage for thousands of years.. If a child is born to a mother who is a Levite and a Father who is a Kohein,the child is a Kohein...If the kohein is adopted by 2 levites he stays a Koheins and has the rights and obligations of one..A child does not obtain the lineage of his adopted parents..
Likewise if 2 Koheins adopt a Levite,the child stays a levite..He does not become a Kohein
The Messiahs geneological requirements are more complicated than that too
,The Messiah must be a biological desendent of David and Soloman,but not Jeconiah

1 Chronicles 22:9 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days. [10] He shall build a house for my name; and he shall be My son, and I [will be] his Father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. (KJV)

He also may NOT pass through the line of Jeconiah who is cursed here.
Jeremiah 22:24 [As] I live, saith the LORD, though Coniah the son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were the signet upon my right hand, yet would I pluck thee thence; [25] And I will give thee into the hand of them that seek thy life, and into the hand [of them] whose face thou fearest, even into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of the Chaldeans. [26] And I will cast thee out, and thy mother that bare thee, into another country, where ye were not born; and there shall ye die. [27] But to the land whereunto they desire to return, thither shall they not return. [28] [Is] this man Coniah a despised broken idol? [is he] a vessel wherein [is] no pleasure? Wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, and are cast into a land which they know not? [29] O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. [30] Thus saith the LORD, Write ye this man childless, a man [that] shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah. (KJV)

So here we see that the Messiah must be the biological progeny of David and of Solomen but not of Jeconiah

The first problem is that if the story is true, Jesus has no lineage as he has no biological father.. Though one could argue that he was adopted by Joseph one does not change lineage through adoption
Also Josephs geneology passes through Jeconiah, disqualifying him
The lineage claimed to be of Mary(which doesn't matter under Jewish law as she is the mother) does not pass through Solomen ,but through Nathan instead.

Interesting post. I'm agnostic, but love the way you can express your beliefs without being offensive.
I can understand why you started this thread... since not all Christians are Born Again.