Is This The End Of DVC Rentals?

DanceDisney23

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I just saw this article:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...-club-changes-commercial-renters/84372282007/

It’s not super clear to me how this will affect people who rent through David’s or DVC Rental Store because the wording was confusing. Also not clear whether Disney will now cancel rented stays willy nilly.

We have rented in the past and had good experiences with it, though I noticed the price has gone up quite a bit.
 
Short answer is No.

Disney is attempting to crack down on those that are commercially renting out their points on a normal basis vs actually using them for themselves to vacation with. There are groups out there that own thousands of points and just use them to rent to others.

DVC members are still allowed to rent out points. David’s and DVCrentalstore will continue to be good choices as they rent people’s points who are not able to go on a trip during a year and aren’t renting the same person’s entire point balance on a yearly basis.

I agree the price of renting has gone up.
However the cost of Disney rooms also has increased.
DVC annual dues/maintenance fees have also increased.
DVC members renting want to at least make enough to cover these dues which must be paid whether points are used or not.
With that in mind the rental stores have to increase their prices a little to pay the DVC members willing to rent their points
 
There's a big thread on this over on the DVC Mouscellaneous Board:

 
There's a big thread on this over on the DVC Mouscellaneous Board:

"Big" being an understatement.... :cutie:
 

David’s and DVCrentalstore will continue to be good choices as they rent people’s points who are not able to go on a trip during a year

so are owners no longer able to bank points? when we owned this was entirely how we operated our usage. in addition to a couple of multi week trips to wdw we did 2 trips combo'd with disney cruises and 1 (non disney) alaskan cruise by banking a year's worth of points and then using the points in another (and at least once borrowing a handful of points from the following year).
 
so are owners no longer able to bank points? when we owned this was entirely how we operated our usage. in addition to a couple of multi week trips to wdw we did 2 trips combo'd with disney cruises and 1 (non disney) alaskan cruise by banking a year's worth of points and then using the points in another (and at least once borrowing a handful of points from the following year).
Yes you can still bank your points
 
so are owners no longer able to bank points? when we owned this was entirely how we operated our usage. in addition to a couple of multi week trips to wdw we did 2 trips combo'd with disney cruises and 1 (non disney) alaskan cruise by banking a year's worth of points and then using the points in another (and at least once borrowing a handful of points from the following year).
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The section you quoted was just me giving a basic example of why some owners rent their points.

Yes people are able to bank points into the next year but those points can not be banked again

So if the owner banked the points from last year but then this year they can not travel those points are then going to be forfeited if not used. Certain owners can attempt to exchange them into a Cruise, ABD or the Disney collection. All owners can exchange them into II to book something non Disney or they can rent out the points. Renting the points is certainly the easiest and usually the best value for their points.
 
Disney (DVD specifically) is being intentionally vague. What they are trying to do is stop renting altogether, but they cannot for two reasons: it is specifically allowed under the terms of the contracts and DVD is the largest renter of points.

In the beginning, before social media exploded, members really had to rely on word-of-mouth to find renters/customers for their points. Then, brokers came along and made it easier to match owners with renters. Once people realized how easy it was to advertise and post reservations for rent and reach thousands of potential customers, commercial renting was born. Most owners did not dive in head first and buy up thousands of points with the sole purpose of making hundreds of reservations and posting them for sale...but some did...and those are the people Disney is going after. They have zero intention of taking a vacation with their points and they have no "personal" use for the reservations as they are solely for income (commercial) purposes. Make no mistake, Disney knows who these players are. Now that members have to acknowledge that the reservations are for personal use, any members who are using their membership commercially (and remember, Disney surely already has these memberships flagged) must answer this question honestly. If they don't check the box, they are basically admitting that they are using their points for commercial use. If they do check it, and Disney performs an audit of their account, there may be consequences.

The confusion and concern is with the "everyday" member. What does one define as "personal" use? If it is open to interpretation on a discussion board, certainly it is intentionally vague on Disney's end as well. If a member owns 400 points and regularly travels using 200 points per year and then rents out the other 200 points to cover their dues, would that constitute "personal use"? Some would argue yes and some would say no. They are certainly not making an income or a business from the rentals and half of their membership IS being used for personal travel. Disney is breaking it down by the reservation and using the word "personal" to make it more confusing. No, the owner does not have to be travelling for it to be a "personal" reservation. No, the owner does not have to know the people travelling for it to be a "personal" reservation. Yes, you can receive compensation for the reservation and it is still a "personal" reservation. The rental companies (specifically DVC Rental Store) have made statements saying that they actively work with their members and they monitor who they are receiving reservations from so they watch for repeat listings. If they see too many pre-booked rentals or points for rent from the same membership/owner, they are pro-active in order to protect potential renters from having their reservations cancelled. I would say that booking a rental reservation from a broker is still a very safe way to book a DVC reservation and DVC rentals are not going away any time soon.

As an owner of a small number of points, I do appreciate DVC's efforts to curtail commercial renting. There is no need to have weeks of pre-booked reservations listed for rent 9-11 months in advance. Renting is a nice way to recoup costs and help others enjoy DVC without the cost/commitment. Pre-booked/Speculative reservations made in the 7-11 month windows are just money-grabs in my opinion. I do not have any issue with people renting out to confirmed customers in the home resort window, but they should have their dates confirmed. Home resort owners should not have to compete with "ghosts" for their reservations.
 














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