Is this line cutting?

[Nadjalu]

YES.....and if you feel the need to ask then you do to.

 

[rock_doctor]

The over/under line on this thread being closed has been set at 7. Place your bets!

I'm going with 8 pages. (edit: i lost up to 11 pages now )

I have seen whole families try to catch up to the one person holding their place. I have seen 20 tour group members push and shove their way though line to catch up with a tour guide... Imho this is line cutting and these people should be ejected from WDW, preferably shot out of a cannon... Kids have to go to the bathroom when they have to go, not before so most understand if there is a child involved but when it is an adult only you will find most will be less forgiving and this is based on a sliding scale. The longer the waiting time, the hotter the weather, the more people pushing past; the less forgiving people will be.

In the end do what you have to do and if you find yourself be hoisted into the open end of a cannon....

 

[LMO429]

Do you have children? I've had a kid sit on the toilet, unable to produce, only to have to go (badly) a 1/2 hour later. I've also had a kid go, and then have to go again, 1/2 hour later (we're talking the 2 - 4 year old set). With my kids, if I took them out of line, because they had to go, and they didn't get to go on the ride, there is a VERY good chance, the next time they had to go, while riding on line, they wouldn't mention it to me, and the results would not be ideal.

This is the only reason why we had a couple have to catch up to our party (and now they're older, so it's no longer an issue).

I did write in my post emergencies do happen and a million scenarios can come up on why you and any member of your party would have to leave the line. that being said if you have to leave the line for any reason than imo you should get on at the back of the line.

and in this day and age if you are waiting on line for a disney ride for more than 30 to 40 minutes imo you are not doing your homework.

 

[WDSearcher]

Being annoyed by the constant stream of line cutters - especially the dad teaching his 8 or 9 year old how to do it in the HM line - I went and asked a manger about the policy. Yup. I took time out of my life and out of my Disney Day to see just what the deal is.

I was informed by Disney management that they cannot control guest behavior and haven't the authority to stop the cutting, even if they wanted to do it, which they really don't. They don't actually want to get involved in that.

They said the staff is legally not allowed to (and I quote here) "forcibly detain" people. Security can, if they're called - but they can't throw them out of the park.

All they can do is call the police (seriously!) and that they only do that if there is an altercation and a guest demands it.

Other than that, they say that they're sorry about all the line cutting and would you like a Fastpass? (Which I did not, lol. Wasn't actually complaining, just seeking info.)

And that is all true. But it's quite a leap from this discussion you had to "Disney practically encourages it." What Disney is saying is that it's hard to decide who is "right" in a line-cutting dispute, because the CM almost never sees it happen. And when CMs DO see it happen, it's truly up to the CM to decide if it's egregious enough to warrant pulling people aside, getting statements, calling Security, etc. Disney is non-confrontational, for the most part, but they will definitely pull people aside who deserve it. I've found that most people complain about line cutters after they get off the ride. I've had lots of people point out Guests to me after they've ridden, saying, "That guy cut in line back there!" But honestly ... there is nothing that can be done after the fact.

I'd be happy to hear that they actually are calling security and tossing people out, but I've never seen it happen and have personally been told it won't happen, so...

I'm thinking that they do nothing. And they're telling people that they do nothing. Which is pretty much encouraging it, as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe I was lied to...but what I see each and every time I'm there backs up the "Do Nothing" management style and not the "Toss them out" or "Send them to the back of the line" one.

You can cut at Disney. Nothing will happen to you.

You weren't lied to, but you weren't given an absolute either. You were given the general guideline that Dsiney follows. I don't think you can say with authority that "you can" and "nothing will happen". I've seen people pulled from lines, and I've pulled people from lines. It happens. Sorry you've never personally witnessed it, and I'm sorry that you seem to have vacations fraught with line cutters. I seldom see them, so maybe I'm just luckier when I go as a Guest.

 

[hawkeyesparks]

It's never been a big issue when I've gone to WDW. For all I know it's happened all around me and I was oblivious to it, but I've never noticed.

Thinking back at the times I've gone with small kids, there was one time I may have broken the spirit of the no cutting rule(that sounds so 2nd grade).

We went when DS was about 18 months old. I got inline for Dumbo, the line was out of sight. I waiting patiently for about 50 minutes in line until I go to the last turn, then at that moment my wife handed my son to me over the rail, and we went the rest of the way together.

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Yes, that is line cutting.

People enter a line as individuals, not as a party. If a family of 4, sends just 3 people into the line, then they are only taking up three places in line. If the 4th family member joins the line later, they are jumping ahead of all the people who entered the line behind the 3 initial family members.

 

[GinnyEmma]

Those of you that are arguing that line cutters are not affecting your wait time are missing one key point. If the family in question had waited until their entire party was together before entering the line then they would be all behind you in line, not in front of you.

I personally think that it is rude of the family members not to wait for the rest of their party.

To answer the OP, yes, obviously line cutting.

Oh no, not a whole family longer!!!!!

 

[Bradsdadg]

I don't see why it is so hard to all wait in line together...It's vacation, prob one week out of the year. No real need to run off and then meet people while waiting in line.

 

[jking6]

I am ok with 1 person passing or if that person has a child, what I am not ok with is when a couple teens get in line then 8 more decide to join in. That to me is rude and line jumping. during the holidays you find it more often if the lines are a long wait. I have been in line for 3 hours during christmas season and no one knows when they have to go to the bathroom that far in advance. But I am at Disney and go with the flow...

 

[TinkerBelle_325]

Oh no, not a whole family longer!!!!!

If everyone did this, sent a few members of their party into the line and then had the remaining members catch up, it would be a heck of a lot longer than "one extra family".

It is the principle of the thing. Other than bathroom emergencies for small children, I see no reason for a party not to enter the line together. Until they establish queue-less queues at WDW, everyone has to wait their turn, just like everyone else.

That being said, I do believe the OP was asking the question so as to not break a rule, and I commend them for that!

 

[WDWisTheBest]

Yes, that is line cutting.

People enter a line as individuals, not as a party. If a family of 4, sends just 3 people into the line, then they are only taking up three places in line. If the 4th family member joins the line later, they are jumping ahead of all the people who entered the line behind the 3 initial family members.

This sounds like a reasonable conclusion.

 

[ccudmore]

Who cares... live and let live. If someone asks to get ahead of me, I'm sure they have a good reason and the impact on me is negligible if anything. I'll let someone through without a fuss every time.

 

[drewmer]

Don't know why someone would say it is not line jumping. Most people don't go to a restaurant with a big wait and say my child has to go to the bathroom can we have our table now.

Common respect would say that you would not cut in front of others. You are on vacation spend time with the people you are with. Kids bathroom breaks are about the only legit excuse. If everyone is hot and thirsty go to a dining area and have a drink in the aircondition together.

I don't get overly upset with line cutters but it is annoying. I may have stand in line for a long tie on a hot day others should do the same.

 

[SrisonS]

I personally don't see it as a big deal if it's like 1 or 2 people; especially since there were already countless people in front of you.

But according to Disney policy (I overhead a Manager saying this), people are allowed to join their party, no matter where they are in line.

 

[stargazertechie]

It's absolutely cutting, and I don't let these people past me in line either. It's easier when I am a party of 2 or more, but even as a solo traveler, I've found ways to take up the entire queue so they can't pass.

I'm sorry that your wife told you to grab fastpasses and then push through the line to catch back up, but that won't fly with me. I wait for the rest of my party at the entrance to a ride before we ALL get in line. If you want a fastpass runner, then you can either wait for them, or they can meet you at the ride exit. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too.

Call me the vigilante line police if you want, but I loathe cutters.


Oh... and my money's on under.

 

[pdxJolene]

I think it depends. If you are talking about a group of adults, then you should not do it. If a child needs to go to the restroom, and one parent takes the child while the other parent goes ahead and gets in line, then that doesn't bother me at all.

Every time we have a line cutting thread people say this (or similar,) and I don't understand that at all! Why is a group of adults different from a family? Do families no longer have to have proper theme park etiquette? Line cutting is line cutting. It doesn't matter if you're a family, a couple, all kids, no kids, whatever. Wait for everyone to be ready to ride before getting in line, simple as that. All that does is teach kids that you believe you are above some rules.

I'd really like to hear some logical reasoning behind this, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude... I just can't see why people think that's right

Oh- and I'm not trying to single you out kayleebug yours was just the post in this thread that got me thinking

 

[GinnyEmma]

Logical explanation? Well, I figure some people have never been taught proper etiquette. Even stuff like the unofficial guide and the chuck bubba advocates some processes. So, rather than wasting time policing line and stressing out my family and the families around me I choose to grant grace. I'm sure there are things that I do in life that are wrong without my knowledge.

 

[KCSherri]

Oh, why not...

Is it line cutting?

Yes.

Would I let it bother me on a trip?

No.

We have a mantra on our vacations that we will not let the negative actions or attitudes of others affect our own fun. And - we will not let our actions or attitudes be negative, to adversely affect others.

 

[PIRATEGIRL007]

Yes

 

[Altoqueenkelly]

What is the purpose of this thread? Yes. It is line cutting.