Is this line cutting?

[WDSearcher]

NO I don't consider it cutting in line... My family was in line to ride SM and my mother stayed behind with 2 of our kids. After being in line for about 20 minutes I get a text saying that my son decided to he wants ride. So I left the line ( jumped over to FP and walked out). Then I meet him and went all the way back through and cought up to our group, which was almost about to get on the ride. I decided to give him my spot on the ride so no one would be upset about us cutting in line.

It's interesting that you don't think it's considered cutting in line, but you acknowledge with your last sentence that well ... yeah ... it is. If you truly didn't feel it was cutting, then why give up your seat?

What the OP posted -- and your scenario here -- are both cutting in line. Someone who was not in the line when the party entered, has avoided most or all of the wait and "cut" through the line to meet their party. That, by definition, is cutting in line. Now ... whether it was done with that "I'm special and entitled and shouldn't have to wait to ride" intent is another thing altogether.

In your case ... if I had been in your situation and my child decided at the last minute to ride, I'd have told my mom to wait at the entrance and as soon as our group gets off, I'll go back through the line with him while everyone else goes on to the next thing. I would not have placed the expectation in my kid's head that he could avoid the line by just deciding at the last minute. You want to ride the ride? You wait in the line like everyone else.

YMMV

 

[Ramsfan28]

The over/under line on this thread being closed has been set at 7. Place your bets!

I'll take the under - this tend to get out of hand quickly.

Yes, it is line cutting.

 

[hookedonears]

It's absolutely cutting in line.

 

[spacemountainmom]

It's interesting that you don't think it's considered cutting in line, but you acknowledge with your last sentence that well ... yeah ... it is. If you truly didn't feel it was cutting, then why give up your seat?

What the OP posted -- and your scenario here -- are both cutting in line. Someone who was not in the line when the party entered, has avoided most or all of the wait and "cut" through the line to meet their party. That, by definition, is cutting in line. Now ... whether it was done with that "I'm special and entitled and shouldn't have to wait to ride" intent is another thing altogether.

In your case ... if I had been in your situation and my child decided at the last minute to ride, I'd have told my mom to wait at the entrance and as soon as our group gets off, I'll go back through the line with him while everyone else goes on to the next thing. I would not have placed the expectation in my kid's head that he could avoid the line by just deciding at the last minute. You want to ride the ride? You wait in the line like everyone else.

YMMV

Agreed!

 

[Jaime4004]

Wouldn't bother me but I know it appears to be a huge problem for most people around here...

As for the scenario of a young child needing the bathroom: I could take my kids to the bathroom before every line in Disney, every 20 mins, every hour, but they still need to go when they need to go. You can't force a child to go because it's a convenient time. As my 3 year old says all day long "It won't come out." Just because I want him to go before we get in the car, it won't make it so... So for anyone we may go around on a bathroom dash, here's my insincere apology!

 

[Hannathy]

Yes.

 

[WDSearcher]

It should also be said that Disney allows line cutting.

There are places that will toss you out for cutting, but Disney practically encourages it.

If you want to cut, there is absolutely NOTHING to stop you. Have at it. People do it all the time.

I don't know that Disney "practically encourages" it. I have seen line cutters pulled and sent to the back many times in my trips to WDW (and, as a CM, I have actually done the "pulling and sending back" on numerous occasions; even had a family escorted out of the park once for repeated violations). But you've done your part here by encouraging it, so ... good for you for picking up Disney's slack!

 

[mom of princessx2]

I don't really consider it "cutting" if it doesn't effect the people behind them. For example a family in line for SM has another member join them it doesn't postpone my ride any because they will all get in the same log. Now if the Smith Family lets the Jones family slide up to where they are I would have a problem because that has an effect on me.

We had an issue on Astro Orbiter. We stood in line for about 45 min and just got to the elevator when dd (2 1/2 at the time) had to go potty. The CM heard her and told me where the closest one was and told me to come back to him. I did and didn't think twice.

 

[mjkacmom]

this thread will probably get closed by a moderator before we know. which is a shame especially if the OP question is sincere..which i think is the case considering the low number of posts they have.

that being said the answer to your ? is it is line cutting.

If you have a young child try to ensure they go to the bathroom before you get on line. Especially if you are getting into a cue with a serious wait time. While emergencies do come up its better to be safe than sorry.

Do you have children? I've had a kid sit on the toilet, unable to produce, only to have to go (badly) a 1/2 hour later. I've also had a kid go, and then have to go again, 1/2 hour later (we're talking the 2 - 4 year old set). With my kids, if I took them out of line, because they had to go, and they didn't get to go on the ride, there is a VERY good chance, the next time they had to go, while riding on line, they wouldn't mention it to me, and the results would not be ideal.

This is the only reason why we had a couple have to catch up to our party (and now they're older, so it's no longer an issue).

 

[kaligal]

I don't know that Disney "practically encourages" it. I have seen line cutters pulled and sent to the back many times in my trips to WDW (and, as a CM, I have actually done the "pulling and sending back" on numerous occasions; even had a family escorted out of the park once for repeated violations). But you've done your part here by encouraging it, so ... good for you for picking up Disney's slack!

Being annoyed by the constant stream of line cutters - especially the dad teaching his 8 or 9 year old how to do it in the HM line - I went and asked a manger about the policy. Yup. I took time out of my life and out of my Disney Day to see just what the deal is.

I was informed by Disney management that they cannot control guest behavior and haven't the authority to stop the cutting, even if they wanted to do it, which they really don't. They don't actually want to get involved in that.

They said the staff is legally not allowed to (and I quote here) "forcibly detain" people. Security can, if they're called - but they can't throw them out of the park.

All they can do is call the police (seriously!) and that they only do that if there is an altercation and a guest demands it.

Other than that, they say that they're sorry about all the line cutting and would you like a Fastpass? (Which I did not, lol. Wasn't actually complaining, just seeking info.)

I'd be happy to hear that they actually are calling security and tossing people out, but I've never seen it happen and have personally been told it won't happen, so...

I'm thinking that they do nothing. And they're telling people that they do nothing. Which is pretty much encouraging it, as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe I was lied to...but what I see each and every time I'm there backs up the "Do Nothing" management style and not the "Toss them out" or "Send them to the back of the line" one.

You can cut at Disney. Nothing will happen to you.

 

[jazzielady]

Eh, doesn't really bother me. I'm in the happiest place in the world.

The only time it did bother me was during the year of a million dreams. This hispanic family pushed their way in front of us on one of the big family ridesat blizzard beach. When we finally got to ride (there were like 20 of them in the family), there were the special people (forget now what they were called) handing out the special fast passes. If they hadn't cut in front of of us, we would have be on the receiving end of those goodies. Oh well, hope they had a nice trip! We had fun anyway!

 

[GinnyEmma]

Cutting, yes. Would I care? Heck no. It doesn't affect me.

You all travel at the wrong time. We go in January, and I can only remember a couple of times in many many trips where someone cut through before I figured out what was going on.

 

[jazzielady]

I also have to say that it has a lot to do with attitude. If it's 5 teens with an attitude of entitlement to join their friend who's been holding the line, too bad. If it's a father who is apologetic because he went to to get drinks for his parched family, no problem. Those are just 2 potential situtations I can envisison, but I think you get my point.

IOW, it all depends,

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Of course it isn't line cutting! That's ridiculous.


BUT - It is flat out rude and annoying to “excuse me” past hoards of people. And it is annoying for both you and the people you are passing. So for that reason alone, any use of the “rejoining your party on line” approach should be limited to the back part of the queue and even then to rides where it is easily accessible. And it should go without saying that the party waiting should be significantly larger than the party joining them…i.e. it is again rude to have one person saving a spot for ten others.

What you find though, is that people CANNOT handle the idea that someone is doing something other than standing in a line when confronted with the SIGHT of said person appearing. They literally cannot process the fact that their actual wait time has not changed one second by said person appearing because they were – virtually – in front of them the whole time (just like when a FP rider shows up and gets on an attraction ahead of them). This is true EVEN IF the person was standing there, left briefly for a soda or a FP, and returned. Most will still say that, too, is cutting and you must go to the back of the line.

It makes no logical sense and the World would be a better place if everyone just realized that the wait is the wait is the wait, it doesn’t change if someone leaves and comes back to the queue, it doesn’t change if someone joins their family, because they were always ahead of you (yes, I crave a queue utopia). And if someone can accomplish something else during the wait, rather than thinking - HEY THAT’S NOT FAIR! – they should think…hey great for them, doesn’t affect me at all.

But it is what it is and people’s views will not change I think…they will have to be changed for them by new systems that embody this logic. Which leads me to say:

WDW has people keenly focused on this problem and one solution will be the virtual queue that is coming with the new Dumbo. This solution recognizes the logic of everything I said above and takes it a step further: your WHOLE PARTY can do whatever it wants to, and simply turn up when it is time to get on the ride. Just like FP, except it applies to everyone automatically. One would think the crowd that argues you MUST stand in a queue the whole time would be up in arms over this development, but I can almost guarantee they too will love it!

And FURTHERMORE, the Disney Parks blog announced that you may even be able to reserve your ride time remotely in the future for attractions! Now that boggles my mind because I have enough trouble with ADRs but still, it points to the logic of and reason of what I am saying vs. the illogic and unreason of flipping out over a FP runner returning to their party on line, or developing strategies of employing hip checks, banister holding and stink eyes (we haven't seen those types of posts yet but it's a certaintly we will).

So a lot of words to say: you should be able to do it, and someday you will easily be able to do it with newer queue methods, but for now, many people just can't handle the concept so you might get some stink eyes.

 

[kaligal]

Eh, doesn't really bother me. I'm in the happiest place in the world.

The only time it did bother me was during the year of a million dreams. This hispanic family pushed their way in front of us on one of the big family ridesat blizzard beach. When we finally got to ride (there were like 20 of them in the family), there were the special people (forget now what they were called) handing out the special fast passes. If they hadn't cut in front of of us, we would have be on the receiving end of those goodies. Oh well, hope they had a nice trip! We had fun anyway!

I think they were called the "Dream Squad", but am not sure. You also neglected to tell us the ethnicities of the various members of the Dream Squad.

It's obvious that you know we should always mention ethnicities, as you did so when mentioning that the only line cutters who ever bothered you were the Hispanic ones.

But no mention of the Dream Squad. We don't know their heritage or coloring or anything.

What's up with that.

I hope they had a nice trip, too, and am glad that you had fun even with the Hispanic family cutting in front of you and all.

 

[HockeyMomNH]

Those of you that are arguing that line cutters are not affecting your wait time are missing one key point. If the family in question had waited until their entire party was together before entering the line then they would be all behind you in line, not in front of you.

I personally think that it is rude of the family members not to wait for the rest of their party.

To answer the OP, yes, obviously line cutting.

 

[MEM]

Yes.

Another yes.

Hey, Art1, OT, but Roberto Clemente was my all-time favorite baseball player! I was born and raised in Pittsburgh and loved watching him play. When he died, I lost all interest in baseball and it never returned.

 

[BarbieGal457]

Cutting, yes. Would I care? Heck no. It doesn't affect me.

I never really post in these threads but I do believe the OP is very genuine and good-natured in their asking. I agree with the above quote. I would say yes it is, but it isn't really anything I get upset over (unless its like, 2+ people joining 1 person). Small emergencies happen, tiny bladders awaken, someone is just absolutely dying of thirst and needs a drink. If the line is especially long I think it's even more realistic a bathroom break would be needed. Lord knows between break-downs and crowds, some trips in June I've spent 3.5-4+ hours in line in the hot sun for just one attraction.

So, OP, I think it's obvious that almost everyone who's responded does think that it is line-cutting, it just matters more to some than others. But with all that said, I would recommend trying to get in line as a group.

ETA: I know I posted this yesterday, but I wanted to add: not all adults know about having to use the bathroom before lines, either. Not to be too personal but I have severe medical issues where one minute I'm fine, the next I need to dash, and now. I've even had to run off NHL benches mid-game and throw people out of the way when I was fine seconds before. So even adults need the emergency potty dash, though I'm sure anyone I'd pass would see the absolute terrified, pained look on my face and the cold sweat on my brow!

 

[Ferrante8]

It's interesting that you don't think it's considered cutting in line, but you acknowledge with your last sentence that well ... yeah ... it is. If you truly didn't feel it was cutting, then why give up your seat?

What the OP posted -- and your scenario here -- are both cutting in line. Someone who was not in the line when the party entered, has avoided most or all of the wait and "cut" through the line to meet their party. That, by definition, is cutting in line. Now ... whether it was done with that "I'm special and entitled and shouldn't have to wait to ride" intent is another thing altogether.

In your case ... if I had been in your situation and my child decided at the last minute to ride, I'd have told my mom to wait at the entrance and as soon as our group gets off, I'll go back through the line with him while everyone else goes on to the next thing. I would not have placed the expectation in my kid's head that he could avoid the line by just deciding at the last minute. You want to ride the ride? You wait in the line like everyone else.

YMMV

The only reason I gave up my seat was b/c it turned our group of 18 into 19, so instead of waiting to ride alone I just passed tru... And as for making my son wait and go at another time I choose to go get him. Not one person in line gave a dirty look or comment. The group behind us actually cheered for him when they saw a 5 yr. old get hi-fives from his older brothers and family for trying to be brave and ride the ride !!! Disney is about making memories and that's what we did !

 

[Matty_Disfan]

You also neglected to tell us the ethnicities of the various members of the Dream Squad.

Hear Hear!!

I picked up on that too. What did their ethnicity have to do with anything? Why point that out unless you are seeking to impart to the readers a comprehension or motive for their behaviour based on their cultural or racial background.

White people do improper things too. Trust me, I'm white and I'm always up to something.