Is there a thread for people selling their house?

Well we had a showing today. We actually got home right around the time they were leaving so we just cruised on by and hung out down the street until we saw they were gone. Now comes the hard part of waiting.
 
Well we had an open house today and a grand total of NOBODY came! This is the third open house we have had and I think 3 people have been through for them all. I am beginning to think the open houses are a waste of time.

We had a second showing yesterday but our agent said today that the couple had decided to write a contract on a new construction that is in the subdivision right next to us:sad1:

We had one other showing last week that gave very positive feedback but we have not heard anything from that.

My hair is turning more gray just trying to get this house sold. IF it does sell....we are NEVER moving again.
 
Well we had an open house today and a grand total of NOBODY came! This is the third open house we have had and I think 3 people have been through for them all. I am beginning to think the open houses are a waste of time.

We had a second showing yesterday but our agent said today that the couple had decided to write a contract on a new construction that is in the subdivision right next to us:sad1:

We had one other showing last week that gave very positive feedback but we have not heard anything from that.

My hair is turning more gray just trying to get this house sold. IF it does sell....we are NEVER moving again.

How frustrating!!! It's good that you are getting good feedback. We are getting some of the most nitpicky feedback- it's ridiculous. Mind you, the house was professionally painted and newly carpeted (where there isn't hardwood or tile) and is fully staged with no one living there. There's hardly anything TO nitpick, but the realtors manage! You gotta wonder who is actually filling this stuff out. Realtors are ruthless.

No word still on our counter-offer, but we're not really optimistic at this point. Luckily we are still getting showings, so hopefully something else will come through.
 
FWIW:
My coworker's house has been on the market for 6 months and she finally sold it last week to a pre-approved buyer with no contingencies. I hope it all goes smoothly for her after 6 months of stress.

As it turns out, much of that stress was unnecessary bec I think if she'd had the right price it would have sold much quicker.

She had originally marketed it at $200K (its appraised value) and sold it quickly when she dropped it to $169 6 months later. I was shocked when she told me that it had been appraised at $200K and I immediately knew it was a bad appraisal. My own home was appraised at $200K and there was NO WAY her house and mine were worth the exact same amount. My home is only 6 years old (hers is 40 year old split level ranch which needed a new roof and still had the original flooring), mine has a beautifully landscaped yard (she has dirt), I have a 3 car garage (she has a 1 car garage), she is an older and less-desirable part of town (I am in a newer, more desirable part of town), and my house is 500 sq feet larger than hers.

Lo and behold the very next day there was a big expose in our local paper about appraisers who deliberately make over-the-top valuations.

So beware of thinking you know what the true appraisal of your home is. The local news story is no longer online, but here are national and state storise on the topic.
Here is a national news story on the topic:
SUN., AUG 17, 2008 - 11:37 PM
American real estate appraisal system is crippled
MITCH WEISS
Associated Press
As soaring home prices set the stage for America's great housing meltdown, a critical step in making sure those home sales were a fair deal — the real estate appraisal — was undermined from within.

After the nation's last major banking disaster, Congress set up a system to catch rogue appraisers. Their game: inflating the value of homes at the direction of equally unscrupulous real estate agents and mortgage brokers, whose commissions are determined by the size of the deals.

But a six-month Associated Press investigation found that the system is crippled by both the bumbling of its policemen and their inability to effectively punish those caught committing fraud.

And despite ample evidence that appraisers are pressured into inflating home values — sometimes to prices in support of loans that are more than buyers can afford — the federal regulators charged with protecting consumers have made a conscious choice not to act.

"The system is completely broken," Marc Weinberg, the former acting director at the federal agency charged with monitoring the appraisal industry, told the AP before he retired earlier this year. "It's amazing that the system ever worked at all."

The AP conducted dozens of interviews and reviewed thousands of state and federal documents, and found:

• Since 2005, at the height of the housing boom, more than two dozen states and U.S. territories have violated federal rules by failing to investigate and resolve complaints about appraisers within a year. Some complaints sat uninvestigated for as long as four years. As a result, hundreds of appraisers accused of wrongdoing remained in business.

• The only tool federal regulators have to force states into compliance is so draconian — it would effectively halt all mortgage lending in a state — that it has never been used.

• Both state appraisal boards and the federal agency tasked with their oversight are chronically understaffed. Some don't even have an investigator.

"The appraisal reforms of the late 1980s were good reforms," said Susan Wachter, a real estate professor at the University of Pennsylvania's Wharton School of Business. "But they were not sufficient to prevent what we have seen … because regulation without teeth is not regulation."

To be sure, there are many causes of the housing crisis — lenders who allowed people with spotty credit to buy homes with little or no money down, mortgage brokers who focused on selling loans without regard to the borrowers' ability to repay and investment bankers who bought and sold risky mortgage-backed securities.

But experts and industry insiders, including appraisers who feel betrayed by colleagues who don't follow the rules, believe the failure to effectively monitor the real estate appraisal industry contributed to housing's collapse.

How system works

This is the way the system is supposed to work:

Typically, an appraiser receives an order from a real estate agent, lender or mortgage broker to inspect a property. Based on a physical inspection of the home and comparable sales in the area, they develop an estimated value for the property. That figure is used by banks to set the home's value as collateral for the mortgage loan.

Appraisers are supposed to come up with a value free of any outside pressure. But more than three dozen appraisers nationwide interviewed by the AP said they often felt pushed by a real estate agent or mortgage broker to fraudulently inflate a property's value. They supplied the AP with documents from lenders asking them to "hit a number."

Documents obtained by the AP also show that hundreds of appraisers complained to federal and state agencies about such fraudulent inflation of property values.

The appraisal system has broken down before. In 1989, Congress concluded that "faulty and fraudulent appraisals were an important contributor to the losses that the federal government suffered during the saving and loan crisis." And it passed the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery and Enforcement Act.

Under the law's reforms, a private group known as the Appraisal Foundation wrote the rules governing appraisers. The law also recommended that states begin licensing appraisers and disciplining those who break the rules.

A federal agency called the Appraisal Subcommittee, an independent federal agency that answers to Congress, would conduct field reviews and audits, and maintain a national registry of appraisers — including dossiers on those who break the rules.

But problems plagued the system from the start. It took years for some states to set up the independent review boards to supervise appraisers or hire personnel to investigate complaints.

The Appraisal Subcommittee is supposed to help states remove from the system those appraisers who agree to "hit a number." But it has only four employees to conduct field reviews and audits of 50 states and four U.S. territories, and hasn't even had a permanent director since the agency's former chief retired at the end of last year.

Following Weinberg's subsequent departure in February as acting director, none of the agency's employees would talk with the AP.

Severe penalty

When the agency does find a state failing to follow the law, the only tool available to force compliance is a death sentence known as "non-recognition" — a penalty that would ban all appraisers in that state from handling deals involving a federal agency.

"Do you know what that would have meant? The net effect is it would have effectively shut down mortgage lending in that state," former subcommittee director Ben Henson, who retired in December, told the AP. "To take that action would have been an unbelievable disruption to the economy. I wasn't going to do that."

When field reviews began in the 1990s, states were repeatedly warned that they were failing to comply with the law. But without the ability to issue fines, the Appraisal Subcommittee is powerless. It has never taken any action against a state for not obeying the law.

Violations stack up year after year, largely without consequence. In the last three years, 27 states or territories failed to investigate and resolve complaints within a year. Faced with such backlogs, some states just give up. In New Hampshire, the state appraisal board decided in July 2006 to close all outstanding files dating to 2002.

New York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo forged an agreement, which will take effect in 2009, to create a watchdog to monitor the appraisal business in New York. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will spend $24 million to create the Independent Valuation Protection Institute, which will accept complaints from consumers and appraisers. It will also monitor the enforcement and report to Cuomo's office.

2008 The Associated Press.

here is a state story
SUN., AUG 17, 2008 - 11:42 PM
Wisconsin appraisers felt pressure to inflate
Marv Balousek
608-252-6135
mbalousek@madison.com
Appraisers in Wisconsin say they've been pressured by mortgage brokers and lenders to inflate appraisals.

Gene DeYoung of DeYoung Appraisal Service of Madison said he frequently gets mortgage broker requests by mail or fax to provide "expected value" or a relative value for a property before he's hired or looks at the property.

"I totally refuse to do it," he said. "When you even talk about value in the capacity of an appraiser, whether you know it not, you have made an appraisal."

DeYoung, an appraiser for nearly 40 years, said inflated appraisals often aren't reported to the state Department of Regulation and Licensing because they're not going to be challenged by mortgage brokers or homeowners.

"It's like politics," he said. "You don't turn somebody in to cut your own throat."

Appraiser Ray Miller of Lyndon Station said he's also seen inflated appraisals.

"I think a lot of the properties here in Wisconsin were over-appraised," he said. "A lot of them were fudged or pushed to meet value."

Miller said the values of some resort condominiums, for example, rose rapidly partly due to in-house appraisals or using units in the same development as comparable properties.

Wisconsin has 2,373 licensed appraisers, about the same as the 2,357 appraisers in 2004, according to David Carlson of the state Department of Regulation and Licensing. Complaints against them rose from 41 in 2003 to 152 last year and 76 have been filed so far in 2008.

Educational requirements for all three appraiser license classifications in the state were upgraded at the beginning of the year. More hours of education and college-level degrees or the equivalent for the advanced classifications now are required.

Lender pressure to inflate appraisals shouldn't exist, said Marla Britton, chairwoman of the Wisconsin Real Estate Appraisers Board, which regulates the state's appraisal industry.

"An appraiser is hired to be the unbiased third party to come into a transaction," she said. "The appraiser's job is to do one very simple thing — reflect the market, not make the market."

The board, composed of four professional and three public members appointed by the governor, handles complaints against appraisers.

"I personally believe we're doing an excellent job of regulating our appraisers and educating them to our concerns," said Britton, a board member since 2004.

Over the past year, cases reviewed by the board have ranged from an alleged embezzlement to sloppy work. A few have involved inflated appraisals.

The license of appraiser James B. Brown of De Pere, for example, was suspended for six months last year after three of his appraisals on property owned by employees of the same mortgage company were challenged by the Green Bay Credit Union Center. Brown appraised a Brussels property at $603,000 that a second appraisal determined was worth $328,000.

Appraiser Nelida Valentin of Milwaukee received a 90-day license suspension last September after she was accused of using properties 12 years old and newer to appraise a 78-year-old South Milwaukee property at $287,000 when it had sold eight months earlier for $222,500.

Lenders have made efforts to reduce the pressure on appraisers, said Karen Scott, a member of the appraisers board and co-owner with her husband of Scott Appraisal of Madison.

She said loan officers don't have as much authority to select appraisers as they once did and U.S. Bank has implemented a plan to rotate appraisal firms.

"We're not seeing nearly the pressure that we were a few years ago," she said.
 

I inherited a house which we have had on the market for 3 months, with only 7 showings. This is very discouraging as our area was list #2 for best places to still buy a home. The house is in good condition, priced right and still no interest. I have suggested that we do more updates, but as my husband says, it wont matter what updates we do, if no one tours the house.

What do you all think of this??
The Realtor sent me information on a new program that his firm is offering. For 295.00, due at closing the house is entered in a contest. everytime 48 homes in the program are sold the selling agents are entered in a contest to win 10k. The winner will be chosen at a huge party attended by the participating agents. It is a one time fee and the house would be continually entered in subsequent contests.

Another question?? What do you think a Realtor should be doing to sell your house, beyond listing it with MLS, placing a sign in the yard, brochures?
 
Chris, I don't see any value added to you, the seller for the contest. First 48 houses have to sell. In today's market, that will take a very long time. Maybe even years. Say you decide to do it, and then your house sells tomorrow. You are out 300 bucks and you agent gets one step closer to 10K. Where is the incentive for you to do it. Maybe I'm reading it wrong?

As far as what can be done, my agent made sure my listing was on her company's web site, on the international relo website, she had it in the newspaper advertisement rotation, and it was in the grocery store books. We had 2 open houses, one when we first listed and one a week before we vacated, both had 2 lookers. There really isn't a lot that can be done other than make sure there are lots of pictures of the inside of your home and make sure that you always agree to showings, no matter what. Well except for illness, but you know what I mean.

I agree with your husband about doing major updates. If your house is priced right, investing a few thousand more is not going to increase your asking price. You see all the shows on TV where the experts say you MUST have stainless appliances, you MUST have granite counters in the kitchen, you must have hardwood floors, because that's what buyers are looking for. I totally disagree, especially in a depressed market. If I had upgraded all that, it would have cost me at least 15K. The competition in the neighborhood had all the upgrades and they sold for the same price as I did. I not only would have lost on my price, which I did, but I would have lost the 15K.

Keep the house sparkling clean, maybe repaint because that is cheap, but most of all, be patient.
 
I inherited a house which we have had on the market for 3 months, with only 7 showings. This is very discouraging as our area was list #2 for best places to still buy a home. The house is in good condition, priced right and still no interest. I have suggested that we do more updates, but as my husband says, it wont matter what updates we do, if no one tours the house.

What do you all think of this??
The Realtor sent me information on a new program that his firm is offering. For 295.00, due at closing the house is entered in a contest. everytime 48 homes in the program are sold the selling agents are entered in a contest to win 10k. The winner will be chosen at a huge party attended by the participating agents. It is a one time fee and the house would be continually entered in subsequent contests.

Another question?? What do you think a Realtor should be doing to sell your house, beyond listing it with MLS, placing a sign in the yard, brochures?


how is it any benefit to you? you're paying $295 to fund a lottery for the real estate agents? sounds like it's just an incentive program for them (and whoever gets to keep the extra $4000 + thats left over from those 48 sold houses that have paid in).

i think a good realtor should do what ours did-took top notch photos for the website (came at different times of the day to take advantage of lighting and views of sunset), set up the website with all the pertinant info. a buyer is looking for (we passed on even looking at houses where the websites did'nt give info or had no photos), market inside and outside the area, make sure that sign is constantly stocked with brochures, give you honest opinions on what you should/should not put out money on doing.
 
My Realtor explained that the contest is an incentive for other agents to get people into the house as it is in a program where they could win 10k....If say, a Realtor sold 3 homes in the program, they would be entered into the contest 3 times, after 48 homes sell that buy into the program there will be a party and a drawing among the agents that sold the 48 homes. I guess I can see where my home might be shown more by agents that were really competive and wanting to win the 10k. However, I find it a bit troubling that a Realtor might forgo a house that their client might like and just promote the houses in the contest....but I guess if sells house in todays market...why not??:confused3

We have already given the house a fresh coat of paint, put an updated formal dining room chandelier in. I still need to have the carpets cleaned in the main part of the house and master bedroom. The carpets in the hallway bedrooms should be replaced. The Realtor told us to not replace the carpet, just yet, as buyers may accept as is or ask for a carpet allowance. I also need to get the few remaining pieces of furniture out of the house. The house has wallpaper in the kitchen, master bath, and hall bath. My dd's think I should paint over it or have it removed. I am not too keen on doing that as I think I could be getting myself into a costly mess.

On a bight note.....When I went to the house today there was a truck out front and the driver was writing down the info from the sign...now let's see if we get a call.
 
I dislike the idea of the Agents prize. They should be showing your property because that is their job. If they want to have a 10K prize they should be funding it out of their own pockets, not asking the clients to pay more. That's like being invited to a formal affair and then being told you have to pay your share, even though you are the guest.

You can paint over wall paper, but you need to make sure the seams are really stuck to the walls and each other, you may have to prime everything first, too. I say leave it and if you are willing to bargain some, let your agent know so that she can let any one showing it that you will look at all reasonable offers. Believe it or not, some people won't offer because they think the seller will just say no, no matter what.
 
I agree.....in wondering if an agent may be more likely to show a property in this "pool", with a chance of winning 10k, especially if they had already sold a few homes in the "pool" and subsequent entries would up their chances. The Realtor said the 295 would be due at closing...so i wonder what happens if the house doesnt sell and we take it off the market or change Realtors??

I am tempted to ask a friend to call the number on the sign to see how long it takes to get a call back for a showing and/or information. My ds22 is staying at the house and told me that people are constantly stopping and either picking up a brochure or writing the number down. I have also observed lots of interest from passerbys, but no showings. The house is across from the neighborhood club so it gets a lot of visibility. I am starting to wonder if the ball is being dropped somewhere along the way. When we listed with this agent we were told that he would keep in touch on a weekly basis. This has not happened. The only contact we have with him is when I call to tell him that the brochure box is empty.
 
Chris, my agent was with Prudential. I got automatic weekly emails with what was happening in my area. They also used an appointment center, the buyers agent would call the center to arrange a showing. If people are calling the number on the sign and are not looking, it could be out of the price range, or the wrong number of bathrooms, or who knows. But if the agent isn't showing the house after being asked, that's another story.

I like your plan to have a friend call. That will be the true test.
 
We had a showing this morning. The centralized calling office called saying an agent was actually outside the house wanting to show it. My son made a hasty retreat out of the house and the agent entered. She left a comment on the house, saying that "the house was not what her clients were looking". I would love to know what her client was looking for. I am going to clean the front porch this week with JOMAX to try to get some of the concrete stains up and put some flowers in the pots by the front door, maybe hand a wreath on the door....
It is so hard to stay upbeat about this. Thankfully the house doesn not have a mortgage, but the utility, water, upkeep, taxes and homeowners insurance are starting to add up.
 
We had a showing this morning. The centralized calling office called saying an agent was actually outside the house wanting to show it. My son made a hasty retreat out of the house and the agent entered. She left a comment on the house, saying that "the house was not what her clients were looking". I would love to know what her client was looking for. I am going to clean the front porch this week with JOMAX to try to get some of the concrete stains up and put some flowers in the pots by the front door, maybe hand a wreath on the door....
It is so hard to stay upbeat about this. Thankfully the house doesn not have a mortgage, but the utility, water, upkeep, taxes and homeowners insurance are starting to add up.


Don't you hate that? Our place is pretty darn immaculate since it is staged and no one is living there. We get feed back about them not liking the floor plan, or the living room being to small- stuff I WISH we could have afforded to be so picky about with our first home! Every time I pay the stupid mortgage I keep saying, "This might be our last payment!"
 
Srarting the process of getting the house ready for sale- I had never intended to move again! So- the process is overwhelming to say the least! At least we are moving to Fla- as I have no family left here and neither does my DH. So, to be near my parents is a HUGE plus! This whole thing is scary, and a little confusing:eek: :confused:
 
Just joining in here...but been on the market for about 45 days. We had a dozen showings fast and one offer which we didn't take and interested party wasn't interested in negotiating. Basically just wanted to say I understand the pain you all are going through. I'm sick of keeping this house spit shined with three kids. Especially since it's been over a week since our last showing.
 
Feed back that the floor plan is not as wanted or the living room is too small is BS for a seller. Those things can't be fixed. All the feedback I got was house shows like a model, priced right, etc. Not a single thing that told me I needed to make cosmetic changes. If a serious buyer likes the basics but want something changed, like paint or carpet, that isn't feedback, that should be on offer.

Sadly, because it is a buyers market, a lot of realtor encourage their clients to lowball the price and ask for all kinds of concessions on top of that. If a buyer really wants your house, I think they should be willing to negotiate.

Good luck to all of you selling.
 
I decided today to go ahead and put out my fall decorations on the front porch/entrance to the house. I thought I might as wells go ahead considering it looks like we are staying put for a while....but I also thought it might make it look a little more spruced up considering the leaves are changing.

I sure do wish this whole ordeal was over.
 
This weekend marks a year on the market for us. Egads! :scared1:

Here's wishing we ALL have our houses sold soon! :goodvibes
 















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