Commerical Use Policy Update - New Thread!

[xdan0920]

But (as I have said before) there are areas of the rules that specifically state that a reservation being used as a rental must be communicated to DVC at the time the reservation is made. Not once you find a renter for it, not once you are ready to modify it, etc. Right when you make the reservation. If you do not follow that rule, they do not have to allow you to make the changes for a rental, even if they have in the past.

Exactly,

Just because DVC doesn’t bother enforcing the rule, doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Same goes for selling your transfers.

 

[Cyberc1978]

But (as I have said before) there are areas of the rules that specifically state that a reservation being used as a rental must be communicated to DVC at the time the reservation is made. Not once you find a renter for it, not once you are ready to modify it, etc. Right when you make the reservation. If you do not follow that rule, they do not have to allow you to make the changes for a rental, even if they have in the past.

one argument to be made would be that when you create the reservation in the renters name, that would be informing DVC as the information goes directly into the system.

Another argument would be that when you call to change the name on the reservation to the renters name that would also be considered informing DVC.

 

[xdan0920]

one argument to be made would be that when you create the reservation in the renters name, that would be informing DVC as the information goes directly into the system.

Another argument would be that when you call to change the name on the reservation to the renters name that would also be considered informing DVC.

How on earth can that argument be made.

The rule says, you must inform DVC “at the time of booking”

So when you use your points to book a room you must inform DVC then and there. Not in 3 months when someone meets your asking price.

 

[lowlight]

But (as I have said before) there are areas of the rules that specifically state that a reservation being used as a rental must be communicated to DVC at the time the reservation is made. Not once you find a renter for it, not once you are ready to modify it, etc. Right when you make the reservation. If you do not follow that rule, they do not have to allow you to make the changes for a rental, even if they have in the past.

Yup, they have several rules and processes in place, almost like they never intended owners to be able to rent confirmed reservations…

 

[Cyberc1978]

How on earth can that argument be made.

The rule says, you must inform DVC “at the time of booking”

So when you use your points to book a room you must inform DVC then and there. Not in 3 months when someone meets your asking price.

Fair enough that won’t work for my second statement but for the first one, it would be fine.

 

[xdan0920]

Fair enough that won’t work for my second statement but for the first one, it would be fine.

Yes, if you book the room in the renters name, that’s fine.

If you book in your name, then list it for rent, and change the name without rebooking. That is explicitly against the rules.

Again, it doesn’t matter till DVC decides to enforce any rule at all.

 

[Mouseforward]

It not a rental until it is rented - it was your reservation until the rental happened. 100% unenforceable as they would have to know what the person is thinking. Even then you have this clause to deal with.

 

[Tatebeck]

one argument to be made would be that when you create the reservation in the renters name, that would be informing DVC as the information goes directly into the system.

Another argument would be that when you call to change the name on the reservation to the renters name that would also be considered informing DVC.

As said above the second was clearly wrong.

As for the first one, I can see why some people may want it to mean that, but it simply does not.

The origination/creation date does not change when you modify something.
IE your 2024 car does not become a 2025 car if you sell it or if you make modifications to it. It was still made in 2024.

ETA: to clarify I am talking about changing a reservation to a rental down the line, not creating a new booking as a rental and alerting DVC appropriately

 

[Cyberc1978]

As said above the second was clearly wrong.

As for the first one, I can see why some people may want it to mean that, but it simply does not.

The origination/creation date does not change when you modify something.
IE your 2024 car does not become a 2025 car if you sell it or if you make modifications to it. It was still made in 2024.

I don’t follow?

If I book a new reservation and put the renters name on it immediately then DVC has been informed - as the renters name is now in the system and it was at the time of booking.

Im therefore not modifying anything, I book a new from scratch reservation and put the renters name on it.

 

[Tatebeck]

I don’t follow?

If I book a new reservation and put the renters name on it immediately then DVC has been informed - as the renters name is now in the system and it was at the time of booking.

Im therefore not modifying anything, I book a new from scratch reservation and put the renters name on it.

Oh no I misunderstood then. I am not talking about new bookings. I was specifically talking about reservations that are modified after the fact. I thought you meant when you put the renters name on it it became a new booking.

Your scenario should be fine from everything I can see in the rules as long as you notify DVC it is a rental at that time, unless you book over 20 reservations or they suspect you of a pattern of rental activity (whatever they want that to mean now lol)

 

[Mommb]

one argument to be made would be that when you create the reservation in the renters name, that would be informing DVC as the information goes directly into the system..

Booking a reservation in someone else's name is not the same as notifying DVC that a reservation is a rental. DVC has no way of knowing whether you are receiving money for the reservation or not. I have booked rooms in the names of my son, my daughter, and my sister, none of which were rentals. DVC can investigate whether the name is of someone you have booked for or traveled with before and make a guess as to whether it is probably a rental, but simply booking a room is not notification.

 

[Brian Noble]

If I book a new reservation and put the renters name on it immediately then DVC has been informed - as the renters name is now in the system and it was at the time of booking.

I'm not sure putting a non-owner name on is the same as informing DVC that it is a rental. It could have been a gift. I think there needs to be an additional piece of information conveyed that the current web site does not capture.

 

[Mouseforward]

I'm not sure putting a non-owner name on is the same as informing DVC that it is a rental. It could have been a gift. I think there needs to be an additional piece of information conveyed that the current web site does not capture.

It is not, and DVC could put a space for indicating that it is a rental, but they chose to not add any way to indicate that on the reservation system.

People are misreading a clause about member benefits to suit their narrative about spec renting.

If DVC wanted to ban spec renting they would write a clause in the POS about not spec renting.

 

[mkatsy]

Yes, if you book the room in the renters name, that’s fine.

If you book in your name, then list it for rent, and change the name without rebooking. That is explicitly against the rules.

Again, it doesn’t matter till DVC decides to enforce any rule at all.

Not that I expect anything to be done about it, but I will ask about this when we are in the meeting. The verbiage does seem to suggest that a rental is supposed to be identified at the time of booking.

 

[xdan0920]

If DVC wanted to ban spec renting they would write a clause in the POS about not spec renting.

There already is. It’s being ignored, like many DVC rules.

 

[xdan0920]

Not that I expect anything to be done about it, but I will ask about this when we are in the meeting. The verbiage does seem to suggest that a rental is supposed to be identified at the time of booking.

Another easy question to bring up is why they don’t enforce the rules against getting money for a transfer. We have a whole board dedicated to breaking that particular rule.

 

[Mouseforward]

There already is. It’s being ignored, like many DVC rules.

Section 3b is about member benefits for guest and letting you know they don't have to provide them to renters - you are adding 2+2 and getting 5

 

[xdan0920]

Section 3b is about member benefits for guest and letting you know they dont have to provide them to renters - you are adding 2+2 and getting 5


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Are you messing with me?

 

[Mouseforward]

Are you messing with me?

You are plucking a sentence from a clause out of context to fit your narrative.

 

[Tatebeck]

You are plucking a sentence from a clause out of context to fit your narrative.

That small section is literally about making a reservation for guest use... It doesn't matter that it is under the larger section of member privileges/benefits. I don't think there is any other section detailing what you need to do when making a reservation for a guest. And isn't the main member privilege the ability to make and use DVC reservations anyway?

You are looking at the next sentence and implying it has sway on the previous sentence when it doesn't.

If the guest is renting, it is the responsibility of the member to notify member services when making the reservation.

That is a complete sentence and statement ending with a period. And it is under the section clarifying making a reservation for a guest. If they wanted to link it to the next sentence and make a dependent clause for it they would have. But they didn't. The next sentence just clarifies that they may not get all the benefits that a family member/friend may get. AFTER making MS aware of the rental.