Is there a purpose to all the water around disney world at this point?

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I like looking at water too. I like it more knowing that the water is clean andd safe also and that I can swim in it if the mood strikes. In my old guidebook, there's a photo (not a drawing) of Goofy waterskiiing in the seven seas lagoon and people swimming and sunbathing. They must have found some way to control the gators and the water quality back then.

I seek no attention and have no ulterior motives. I thought it a topic worthy of a serious discussion. I'm very dissapointed in all the insults and childish behavior that I have seen.

The American Alligator was on an endagered animal list until 1987. It wasn't a problem because there weren't any left and they almost died out as a species. The beaches were open to swim because they hadn't yet discovered the brain eating amoeba. You were allowed to swim because they didn't know it was dangerous. You can still do watersports from the Contemporary Resort. You cannot swim in any Floridian freshwater pond or lake, it is not safe to do so in the entire state. Your wish to go back in time is to kill off a species and accept that brain damage from an unknown cause is ok.
 
The American Alligator was on an endagered animal list until 1987. It wasn't a problem because there weren't any left and they almost died out as a species. The beaches were open to swim because they hadn't yet discovered the brain eating amoeba. You were allowed to swim because they didn't know it was dangerous. You can still do watersports from the Contemporary Resort. You cannot swim in any Floridian freshwater pond or lake, it is not safe to do so in the entire state. Your wish to go back in time is to kill off a species and accept that brain damage from an unknown cause is ok.

Yes, you can. WDW does not allow it, but there is no such statewide ban.
 
I like looking at water too. I like it more knowing that the water is clean andd safe also and that I can swim in it if the mood strikes. In my old guidebook, there's a photo (not a drawing) of Goofy waterskiiing in the seven seas lagoon and people swimming and sunbathing. They must have found some way to control the gators and the water quality back then.

You seem to miss every single post that has explained why Disney had "controlled" the alligators in the past when swimming was allowed. Disney had nothing to do with it. The overall population of alligators were down then. They found themselves on the endangered list. There were just not as many gators around at that time which made it less of a problem. There were still gators in the water then. It's not like WDW was gator free until Disney stopped "controlling" them.
 

This is the FIRST halfway respectful post I've seen so I'll thank you for that.
I have been to FL many times and many places and I understand that gators are part of the deal. I think many people have no intention of visiting FL though- they are just going to Disney World.
Younger visitors and international visitors especially have no idea what gators are or their danger. Putting a sign up doesn;t cut it for me. 2 year olds don;t read anyway.

When I read that gators have been seen in Splash Mt and I read and have seen gators at the CS resort, there is a PROBLEM in my view. People who visit the everglades, such as myself, are aware and they take the necessary precautions. People don;t have the mindset when visiting a theme park. They are there to see a fictional mouse not a real gator.

I like looking at water too. I like it more knowing that the water is clean andd safe also and that I can swim in it if the mood strikes. In my old guidebook, there's a photo (not a drawing) of Goofy waterskiiing in the seven seas lagoon and people swimming and sunbathing. They must have found some way to control the gators and the water quality back then.

I seek no attention and have no ulterior motives. I thought it a topic worthy of a serious discussion. I'm very dissapointed in all the insults and childish behavior that I have seen.

Most people here, self included, have tried to educate you about the Fl wildlife and you dismissed all those posts. You actually started to come off as a troll...imho. The news has focused on the problem of people feeding the gators and rightly so. I hope people have learned from that as well.

Parents teach 2 yos to read and most 2 yos are with a parent who can. It was a very tragic accident and I hope and pray it never happens again...anywhere.

At this point I'm going to "Let it Go".
 
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Yes, you can. WDW does not allow it, but there is no such statewide ban.
I'm sorry, you're right. I meant that the amoeba is everywhere, so nowhere would be safe - it's not that other places don't have it due to some special water treatment, they just let you take the risk.
 
The problem that I see is that for find reason, people choose to believe WDW is a magical place that shields you from all harm.
They kind of bill it that way. I think that was part of why they didn't post big ugly WARNING signs before -- messes with the magical environment they're creating.

Not an excuse not to be informed, but if you lived in a luxury resort run by WDW north of Hartford, one might have a slightly different expectation wrt wildlife present.

Like I've said -- I've known this about FL -- and WDW -- forever. It's ABUNDANTLY CLEAR now to anyone paying attention that MANY people did not know.

Problem solved with signs. Anyone who ignores those, well, that's on them IMHO.
 
They kind of bill it that way. I think that was part of why they didn't post big ugly WARNING signs before -- messes with the magical environment they're creating.

Not an excuse not to be informed, but if you lived in a luxury resort run by WDW north of Hartford, one might have a slightly different expectation wrt wildlife present.

Like I've said -- I've known this about FL -- and WDW -- forever. It's ABUNDANTLY CLEAR now to anyone paying attention that MANY people did not know.

Problem solved with signs. Anyone who ignores those, well, that's on them IMHO.

They make things look like a storybook, but honestly people need to know it is not a fairytale they ae entering. All pretense aside, one should be aware that there is a reality to the vacation. I do agree that signs will nto hurt, but I am one of those who think that they will only help someone who is prone to accept a warning. I also think that as people get used tot the signs they will nto see them anymore, kind of liek you don't ead all the warnings on an attaction after a whle. The sign is there, bt not eally in your vision.

As to luxury resorts north of Hartford, I think that as you venture out you see some stinkin nice places to stay, and I would be the owners of these places have the same problems. Pretty moose, cute little bears. Swift running water. People tend to believe what they want to believe, and ignore warnings that are not int ther face loud.
 
They make things look like a storybook, but honestly people need to know it is not a fairytale they ae entering. All pretense aside, one should be aware that there is a reality to the vacation. I do agree that signs will nto hurt, but I am one of those who think that they will only help someone who is prone to accept a warning. I also think that as people get used tot the signs they will nto see them anymore, kind of liek you don't ead all the warnings on an attaction after a whle. The sign is there, bt not eally in your vision.

As to luxury resorts north of Hartford, I think that as you venture out you see some stinkin nice places to stay, and I would be the owners of these places have the same problems. Pretty moose, cute little bears. Swift running water. People tend to believe what they want to believe, and ignore warnings that are not int ther face loud.
I understand what you're saying but still firmly believe that at least SOME people who'll cavalierly ignore a little "no swimming please" sign will heed the new, clear WARNING about gators and snakes and not to feed them.

Not everyone. But there is no sign, and no law that prevents EVERYONE from ignoring it. We still have signs and laws to inform and protect... as much as is feasible.
 
I understand what you're saying but still firmly believe that at least SOME people who'll cavalierly ignore a little "no swimming please" sign will heed the new, clear WARNING about gators and snakes and not to feed them.

Not everyone. But there is no sign, and no law that prevents EVERYONE from ignoring it. We still have signs and laws to inform and protect... as much as is feasible.

I do agree with you, signs will help. At the very least, they will be a visual reminder that all is not as safe as it seems.
 
No water would equal no boat access or electric light water pageant. Not to mention the peace and relaxation just looking at water can give. I would miss all that. There are more peaceful animals that use the water, its not just alligators. Covering it with concrete won't necessarily keep wildlife away either, they do have legs....
 
I'm getting a kick out of this! I know of FL wildlife, etc, etc, but some of you are making it seem like you're living 100 years ago, encountering these animals every day in the suburbs of... Well... EVERYWHERE!! LOL!

I have occasionally seen deer run along Wisonconsin Ave in DC! I wouldn't expect to see that often, and I wouldn't expect most tourists to DC to expect to see deer crossing the street in a major city like DC. :-D

Feels like some are now OVERSTATING their encounters with wildlife in everyday life. ;) Boy, does the pendulum swing on DIS... :rotfl:

It is a growing problem. I saw a deer in Rock Creek Park last weekend, and I would bet you have coyotes in DC too. They have become very adapted to urban life.

In my suburb of Pittsburgh, deer sightings are a daily occurrence, and there are foxes, coyotes, and an occasional bear. Continued construction on what was once farm and forest land is making our encounters with wildlife more probable everywhere.
 
Friends,

Kristoff would like you all to quit insulting his family by calling certain posters "trolls." Trolls are love experts.

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I see a major problem here. If you are serious, and I hope that you are not, your mindset is part of the issue that humans are all that matter he on Planey Earth. You want oil? It's ours, no matter the environmental impact. Bugs bothering you? Spray with a chemical that will get rid of them. If the birds go too....oh well, they were collateral damage. You want to live in the pretty country, but those pesky bears interfere with you backyard pleasure? Kill them.

If you seriously believe that it is not just possible, but acceptable to eradicate a population from an area because their presence offends or scares you, then I see a problem. But the problem is not an alligator stuck in Adventure land.



Again, people have had to have a reasonable conversation with you, and have failed miserably. I live in an areas where we have a few people who believe that it is possibel to "move" creatures to a "better" habitat. What they keep forgetting is that we are in their house, not the other way around.

Sure you can, then what to do with the one that replaces it and the one that replaces that one etc etc etc

envision all the gators in the Everglades. There wouldn't be any room for the water. Of course it may solve the Python problem.
 
I'm getting a kick out of this! I know of FL wildlife, etc, etc, but some of you are making it seem like you're living 100 years ago, encountering these animals every day in the suburbs of... Well... EVERYWHERE!! LOL!

I have occasionally seen deer run along Wisonconsin Ave in DC! I wouldn't expect to see that often, and I wouldn't expect most tourists to DC to expect to see deer crossing the street in a major city like DC. :-D

Feels like some are now OVERSTATING their encounters with wildlife in everyday life. ;) Boy, does the pendulum swing on DIS... :rotfl:

Several others have already replied, but I'll also corroborate: Helena, the capitol of Montana, has a large urban deer population, to the point where when I lived there I would see them on the streets multiple times per week. Just earlier this month a doe killed two pet dogs there because they were threatening her fawn. Helena's not a big city, but it is thoroughly suburban and I would constantly see deer where I lived in the city center, miles from any actual forest land. Helena is also a city that regularly culls and/or relocates its deer, and yet there is never a shortage of urban deer there. Those animals are legitimately dangerous (we're talking big mule deer, not the cute little things you see down south), but people who live there generally know how to live with them and avoid confrontations. I live in a different Montana city now and don't see so many deer, but live on the outskirts of town (again, suburban neighborhood) and have seen them up in our neighborhood and heard reports of mountain lions in the area.

If Montana is too rural to count in your view, we can talk about the booming coyote population in my parents' neighborhood in the Denver metro area. They live in a cute little suburb in the middle of the metropolitan sprawl, but my mother has encountered coyotes multiple times while out walking their dog. Coyotes are smaller than wolves, sure, but they're plenty big enough to be dangerous if they're starving or rabid, especially if we're talking about children or pets encountering them.

Your comment reminds me of how when I was a kid, I knew perfectly well that there were foxes and coyotes in our neighborhood near Denver because my parents taught me how to pay attention to the signs of their presence and watch for them -- but others in the neighborhood would act surprised if I mentioned it to them. I also remember being at college and mentioning the campus's squirrels and raccoons to someone because the place was flooded with them, and her saying she'd never noticed them at all. Odds are there are more animals near you than you realize; you just haven't been looking for them.

This is the FIRST halfway respectful post I've seen so I'll thank you for that.
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I just want to say...

Many of us answered your question with sensible responses, they were ignored or dismissed out of hand.

THIS.

They make things look like a storybook, but honestly people need to know it is not a fairytale they ae entering. All pretense aside, one should be aware that there is a reality to the vacation. I do agree that signs will nto hurt, but I am one of those who think that they will only help someone who is prone to accept a warning. I also think that as people get used tot the signs they will nto see them anymore, kind of liek you don't ead all the warnings on an attaction after a whle. The sign is there, bt not eally in your vision.

As to luxury resorts north of Hartford, I think that as you venture out you see some stinkin nice places to stay, and I would be the owners of these places have the same problems. Pretty moose, cute little bears. Swift running water. People tend to believe what they want to believe, and ignore warnings that are not int ther face loud.

Evidence in favor of your point: a man died in one of the hot springs at Yellowstone National Park this summer despite numerous signs warning visitors to stay on the boardwalks because the water is scalding hot and the ground around it is often unstable. Literally a week after that death, another tourist was caught wandering around on the ground by the springs and fined for it. The National Park Service also issues numerous specific warnings about the dangers of wildlife, including the herbivores of the park, and yet both this summer and last there have been tourists who deliberately approached bison and got gored as a result.

I think the fences will help more than signs alone, honestly, because it takes a more deliberate action to climb over a fence than to walk past a sign. Of course there will still be people who don't pay any heed to it and put themselves in danger, but to my mind there's a big difference between someone who deliberately ignores a specific danger warning and a fence versus someone who sees a "no swimming" sign and doesn't realize it's really telling them that their child shouldn't play at the water's edge. The fences and signs will help at least some people. Cast members cracking down on anyone they see feeding gators will help the overall issue. It's always possible that people are going to put themselves in harm's way despite all best efforts to dissuade them, but it's still worth making the effort for the sake of those who will listen.
 
Odds are there are more animals near you than you realize; you just haven't been looking for them.
Um, I'm aware of all of this. My point was that I think perhaps some people are exaggerating the frequency of their actual encounters with this wildlife -- not that it's out there.
 
It is a growing problem. I saw a deer in Rock Creek Park last weekend, and I would bet you have coyotes in DC too. They have become very adapted to urban life.
Deer in Rock Creek Park are VERY common -- have been for a long time. Running down Wisconsin Ave is less common. ;)
 
Um, I'm aware of all of this. My point was that I think perhaps some people are exaggerating the frequency of their actual encounters with this wildlife -- not that it's out there.

Okay. Good for you. Point is, wildlife encounters in suburban areas are not actually that uncommon and I felt your post was an inappropriate reaction to people's real experiences.
 
Okay. Good for you. Point is, wildlife encounters in suburban areas are not actually that uncommon and I felt your post was an inappropriate reaction to people's real experiences.
Inappropriate. Ok. It was my opinion of some posts that I think are exaggerating this. That's not inappropriate.

Well past one for me to move along!
 
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