Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Wendy31]

I am in my 60s and am Team H & M.

I think that the divide is more likely that of traditionalists/progressives. Maybe Southerners/Northerners in the U.S.? It may be somewhat age related in England, but I think that Black British folks do not feel the same about it as the whites there do, generally speaking, even if they are of advanced age. They can recognize for themselves the racism she described.

It’s interesting that you said Southerners/Northerners in the US.

I’m not sure what you meant by Southerners/Northerners... I’m trying not to assume but, because many people *do* make assumptions about there being more racists in the South & because you mentioned Black British people, maybe that’s why you distinguished between Southerners & Northerners in America.

If so, I think that’s an erroneous assumption.

That said, I do think it’s an interesting distinction because we southerners (Black & white) do like our traditions & really old-school southerners (Black & white) feel there are “proper” ways to do things... so Meghan disregarding the Royal Family’s traditions & protocols would not be as appreciated or supported here. There’s also a very heavy emphasis on respect & deference to one‘s elders (Black & white)... so, for instance, we’d be grateful & respectful of whatever tiara the Queen offered us.

Additionally, as to traditionalists/progressives, my friend that I mentioned earlier in the thread who is more sympathetic to Meghan than I is very much the same as I when it comes to politics, & we’re both southern.

But we’re from 2 different generations. She’s a millennial, & I’m Gen-X.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

well... kinda leaving out a small detail.... Megahn was not the only one calling for his ouster.... it was reported that over 40,000 complaints were lodged against Piers specifically for his comments ... and that is what led to his ouster. You can call it on his own terms... but only after he was essentially fired or told to apoligize.

He will be in good position to join the new Murdoch Fox show for the UK

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ning-britain-after-41-000-complaints-n1260273

One other small detail left out, that there were ten times that many in his favor!

 

[okeydokey]

Younger, more liberal people seem to be more okay with public "therapy." They like public airing of personal matters, seems like.

I didn't realize there was only one way to look at mental health care. Just because some people do it differently than you think they should, doesn't meant they are wrong.

 

[Wendy31]

Yea, I was thinking she might be at some risk during both this current pregnancy and postpartum. Maybe they can get a referral in their area?

Harry is what 35, 36? Old enough to know better.

Not only that, but, as has been mentioned in this thread, he should have been keenly aware of mental health because of not only what he has said about his mother & his own mental health after the death of his mother but also because of his participation in the mental health foundation w/ William & Kate.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

You may be right but honestly, I don’t think any of our three under 35 kids have any interest in the M&H saga, or entitled acting people in general with high expectations.

You might be on to something here. I don’t know that the younger generations are “Team Meghan” as much as they are “Team Why Does Anyone Care About This?” And, more so than H&M, the role of entitled-people-with-high-expectations are the royal family, the ones for whom every move is dictated by tradition and ancient rules, appearance, image, pomp and circumstance, pageantry. They see H&M as people who just aren’t into living that way, want to do their own thing, and why shouldn’t they be able?

Im 40 and I see the royal family as an archaic institution that continues to exist today mostly for funsies. People like the spectacle of it, celebrity watching, gossip. It hangs around as a part of British culture, a tourist attraction, a way to bring in revenue. That’s all well and good in my mind, but that’s where it stops. I don’t think of the royal family as actually important. They have no real power, they aren’t making laws, and I sure as heck don’t think they’re somehow superior or special because of their bloodline. It’s a family that makes and abides by its own tedious rules and the institution persists because they want to keep putting on the show. When someone doesn’t want to play that role anymore, my attitude is who can blame them? I don’t consider myself young, but there’s a lack of interest among even my age group (I’ve seen only one mention of this current royal drama on my social media). For the younger generations, I’d image there’s even less interest.

 

[snappy]

One other small detail left out, that there were ten times that many in his favor!

Inconvenient truth?

 

[mom2rtk]

You might be on to something here. I don’t know that the younger generations are “Team Meghan” as much as they are “Team Why Does Anyone Care About This?” And, more so than H&M, the role of entitled-people-with-high-expectations are the royal family, the ones for whom every move is dictated by tradition and ancient rules, appearance, image, pomp and circumstance, pageantry. They see H&M as people who just aren’t into living that way, want to do their own thing, and why shouldn’t they be able?

Im 40 and I see the royal family as an archaic institution that continues to exist today mostly for funsies. People like the spectacle of it, celebrity watching, gossip. It hangs around as a part of British culture, a tourist attraction, a way to bring in revenue. That’s all well and good in my mind, but that’s where it stops. I don’t think of the royal family as actually important. They have no real power, they aren’t making laws, and I sure as heck don’t think they’re somehow superior or special because of their bloodline. It’s a family that makes and abides by its own tedious rules and the institution persists because they want to keep putting on the show. When someone doesn’t want to play that role anymore, my attitude is who can blame them? I don’t consider myself young, but there’s a lack of interest among even my age group (I’ve seen only one mention of this current royal drama on my social media). For the younger generations, I’d image there’s even less interest.

I don't think any of this is about whether they should continue to play their roles. It's about what's reasonable to expect once you decide to stop playing the roles.

 

[Wendy31]

Coincidentally, I met someone from England a couple of days ago.

He’s been living in America for a while but still has an English accent, & he’s probably in is mid-30s.

I asked him what he thought about Meghan & Harry, & he told me that he didn’t keep up w/ “all that drama & gossip,” but that he really admired & respected Queen Elizabeth & her many decades of service to her country.

 

[mom2rtk]

Coincidentally, I met someone from England a couple of days ago.

He’s been living in America for a while but still has an English accent, & he’s probably in is mid-30s.

I asked him what he thought about Meghan & Harry, & he told me that he didn’t keep up w/ “all that drama & gossip,” but that he really admired & respected Queen Elizabeth & her many decades of service to her country.

I think a lot of people feel that way. I also think they're in deep doo doo when she dies.

 

[snappy]

I don't think any of this is about whether they should continue to play their roles. It's about what's reasonable to expect once you decide to stop playing the roles.

And about taking parting shots as you exit.

 

[snappy]

I think a lot of people feel that way. I also think they're in deep doo doo when she dies.

I agree, I wonder how sympathetic to H&M Charles will be after he succeeds the queen.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I'm hearing rumors that Piers Morgan had to leave his show after Meghan filed a complaint.

41,000 people complained. Including her. But that can’t be laid at her feet exclusively as much as many here want to blame her for everything wrong in the world.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I read a survey this morning, and now I can’t find it again. But basically it was saying that many younger people are on “Team Meghan” and many older people are not. I think there may be some truth to that, even as evidenced here. What do you all think? (We’ll say the cutoff is around H&M’s ages, roughly 40.)

I am in my 60s and am Team H & M.

I think that the divide is more likely that of traditionalists/progressives. Maybe Southerners/Northerners in the U.S.? It may be somewhat age related in England, but I think that Black British folks do not feel the same about it as the whites there do, generally speaking, even if they are of advanced age. They can recognize for themselves the racism she described.

I find it much more divided among political lines.

 

[mom2rtk]

I agree, I wonder how sympathetic Charles will be after he succeeds the queen.

I've never been sympathetic toward Charles. I hold a grudge over all the Diana stuff. This whole incident makes me more likely to come around on him, but maybe not. I don't think he'll do well in that role at all. I think the monarchy has survived because of Queen Elizabeth.

 

[snappy]

Coincidentally, I met someone from England a couple of days ago.

He’s been living in America for a while but still has an English accent, & he’s probably in is mid-30s.

I asked him what he thought about Meghan & Harry, & he told me that he didn’t keep up w/ “all that drama & gossip,” but that he really admired & respected Queen Elizabeth & her many decades of service to her country.

I admire the Queen too, along with her mother and her father. Her father did not expect to be king, but he stepped up at the most difficult time imaginable during WWII. It could not have been easy, but it was necessary ad I think it gave the British public great strength. Talk about a good role model. That is what Elizabeth saw and lives up to in my opinion.

 

[TipsyTraveler]

I don't think any of this is about whether they should continue to play their roles. It's about what's reasonable to expect once you decide to stop playing the roles.

They wanted to go from full-time work to part-time work. Yeah, the details would need to be hashed out, but I never saw that request as unreasonable. I’m sure many other people didn’t get what was so outrageous about it either.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

One other small detail left out, that there were ten times that many in his favor!

Another small detail left out is that none of those complaints led to his departure. That was completely separate.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

You might be on to something here. I don’t know that the younger generations are “Team Meghan” as much as they are “Team Why Does Anyone Care About This?” And, more so than H&M, the role of entitled-people-with-high-expectations are the royal family, the ones for whom every move is dictated by tradition and ancient rules, appearance, image, pomp and circumstance, pageantry. They see H&M as people who just aren’t into living that way, want to do their own thing, and why shouldn’t they be able?

Im 40 and I see the royal family as an archaic institution that continues to exist today mostly for funsies. People like the spectacle of it, celebrity watching, gossip. It hangs around as a part of British culture, a tourist attraction, a way to bring in revenue. That’s all well and good in my mind, but that’s where it stops. I don’t think of the royal family as actually important. They have no real power, they aren’t making laws, and I sure as heck don’t think they’re somehow superior or special because of their bloodline. It’s a family that makes and abides by its own tedious rules and the institution persists because they want to keep putting on the show. When someone doesn’t want to play that role anymore, my attitude is who can blame them? I don’t consider myself young, but there’s a lack of interest among even my age group (I’ve seen only one mention of this current royal drama on my social media). For the younger generations, I’d image there’s even less interest.

I think that for many people of the UK, it goes a lot deeper than that. It’s part of their identity as a nation; something they revere, and cherish. But you could be right, as older generations die off, it might be something that younger people are not willing to pay for. These aren’t new thoughts, btw. For at least 150 years or so there have been discussions about toning down and/or eliminating the monarchy. So far, though, the people have continued to support it. But that’s why the Queen - and now Charles and William - are always very cognizant about how the family is being portrayed to the public. It’s sad she’s had to deal with some of these crises in her 90s where she has been such a devoted and stalwart leader.

 

[Wendy31]

I think that for many people of the UK, it goes a lot deeper than that. It’s part of their identity as a nation; something they revere, and cherish. But you could be right, as older generations die off, it might be something that younger people are not willing to pay for. These aren’t new thoughts, btw. For at least 150 years or so there have been discussions about toning down and/or eliminating the monarchy. So far, though, the people have continued to support it. But that’s why the Queen - and now Charles and William - are always very cognizant about how the family is being portrayed to the public. It’s sad she’s had to deal with some of these crises in her 90s where she has been such a devoted and stalwart leader.

Yes, I agree.

As I said earlier in this post, I greatly admire & respect the Queen. She’s been devoted & has given her life in service to her country. She’s a class-act, & she’s my favorite royal.

And it’s very sad to me, in these last years of her reign, she’s having to deal w/ the fallout of Harry/Meghan.

 

[Karin1984]

I think that for many people of the UK, it goes a lot deeper than that. It’s part of their identity as a nation; something they revere, and cherish. But you could be right, as older generations die off, it might be something that younger people are not willing to pay for. These aren’t new thoughts, btw. For at least 150 years or so there have been discussions about toning down and/or eliminating the monarchy. So far, though, the people have continued to support it. But that’s why the Queen - and now Charles and William - are always very cognizant about how the family is being portrayed to the public. It’s sad she’s had to deal with some of these crises in her 90s where she has been such a devoted and stalwart leader.

I also live in a kingdom in the EU and strangely enough, abolishing the monarchy is not as much of a discussion here. I wouldn't even be able to tell you what our royal family costs. Maybe because our royal family is less visible than the British royal family. We have 2 national moments: King's day on the 27th of April and the start of the new political season on the third Tuesday in September where the King reads the plans of the government. All their engagements are not part of the tabloids. Only if it's very newsworthy it gets mentioned in the news. And when they mess up ;-) but even then, the end of the monarchy doesn't come up.