Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Tink-osophy]

I think what I find most unimpressive is that in going about it the way he has, Harry has thrown his whole country under the bus in many American eyes. He has pitted the UK against the US and gave the general public no say in the matter.

Whatever he says about his family and the paparazzi, he has disregarded a lot of other people through this - people who supported him and had great affection for him.

Even Biden has picked a side! (Which seems 'unpresidential'.)

What has happened to, "There are two sides to every story"?

 

[TipsyTraveler]

Harry overreacting to William's advice also makes sense if Harry had a previous girlfriend who ended their relationship because she knew the obligations that would be required weren't appealing to her. Harry wasn't old by any means, but he wasn't a super young groom either, he may have been feeling really ready to find a mate and have a family of his own. Nothing wrong with that at all. But it might explain overreacting to William recommending they slow things down and make sure Meghan knew what the job was. If Harry was also on edge about the nasty media comments after the relationship was made public, that's another reason why he might lash out at William's advice.

H & M left the basis of the accusation pretty vague. That leaves room that whatever was said might not be quite what they're portraying it. Leaving it vague has his entire family, including what remains of his immediate nuclear family, with a cloud of suspicion over their heads and a public baying for blood. We're talking about two people who are not unsophisticated about mass media coverage or social media -- and claim to have been the subject of a lot of cruelty and torment from both.

Yep, also possible. It’s interesting to speculate on how all these puzzle pieces may fit together but, of course, unless one of them speaks out in detail, we’ll never know for sure. And even that may just confuse things more!

 

[VandVsmama]

The whole thing is totally dumb. They come across as a pair of privileged, whiny, rich celebrities who think that the entire world should give a rip about everything they want to say.

One thing's for sure...if your dad and your brother are barely speaking to you, going to Oprah to air all of your grievances on the world wide stage certainly won't help the situation. Anybody with half a brain could figure that out on their own.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I think what I find most unimpressive is that in going about it the way he has, Harry has thrown his whole country under the bus in many American eyes. He has pitted the UK against the US and gave the general public no say in the matter.

Whatever he says about his family and the paparazzi, he has let a lot of other people down - people who supported him and had great affection for him.

Even Biden has picked a side! (Which seems 'unpresidential'.)

What has happened to, "There are two sides to every story"?

As American...I apologize. It's why we are called ugly Americans.

 

[Cheburashka]

One thing's for sure...if your dad and your brother are barely speaking to you, going to Oprah to air all of your grievances on the world wide stage certainly won't help the situation.

I don't think Meghan minds that at all, and Harry feels the need to go along with what she wants. This is how toxic people separate their S.O.'s from their families of origin and make them wholly dependent on them.

Now that Harry lives in the USA, has publicly cast aspersions on his royal heritage and his family of origin, what would he have left if he didn't continue to please Meghan? That gives her huge power over him. Without family support (he's really burned his bridges), does anyone really think someone of his "character" & intelligence level could effectively counter Meghan in a contested divorce & custody case?

 

[georgina]

I think what I find most unimpressive is that in going about it the way he has, Harry has thrown his whole country under the bus in many American eyes. He has pitted the UK against the US and gave the general public no say in the matter.

Whatever he says about his family and the paparazzi, he has let a lot of other people down - people who supported him and had great affection for him.

Even Biden has picked a side! (Which seems 'unpresidential'.)

What has happened to, "There are two sides to every story"?

I disagree about Americans' feelings. I think most Americans are happy for them that they got out of that situation. His family has let him down. But of course I am on record as thinking the idea of a royal family is dumb.

 

[Cheburashka]

I disagree about Americans' feelings. I think most Americans are happy for them that they got out of that situation. His family has let him down. But of course I am on record as thinking the idea of a royal family is dumb.

There is no "what most Americans think" anymore. America is a divided country. You (and possibly your friends) have one opinion, and many other Americans hold the opposite opinion. There is no consensus on this.

 

[Tigerlulu]

It’s such a big mess. I can’t imagine any response from the palace that wouldn’t make this worse, except a short We are saddened by the accusations lodged and love our Harry very much sort of thing. Meghans dad tomorrow morning will make it worse. I see the palace maybe putting out a short sad statement that addresses little except their love for Harry and Archie (and maybe Meghan b/c they have to) and moving on.

Although to play devils advocate here, suppose they have some video evidence of some of the claims. Maybe they have video from the dress fitting. Maybe they have video of temper tantrums. And maybe they use a palace insider to release them and keep their hands clean.That would keep our tongues wagging (and fingers pounding on these keyboards) for sure.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I disagree about Americans' feelings. I think most Americans are happy for them that they got out of that situation. His family has let him down. But of course I am on record as thinking the idea of a royal family is dumb.

Nope!

 

[TLSnell1981]

I don't think Meghan minds that at all, and Harry feels the need to go along with what she wants. This is how toxic people separate their S.O.'s from their families of origin and make them wholly dependent on them.

Think about it, now that Harry lives in the USA, has publicly cast aspersions on his royal heritage and his family of origin, what would he have left if he didn't continue to please Meghan? That gives her huge power over him. Without family support (he's really burned his bridges), does anyone really think someone of his "character" & intelligence level could effectively counter Meghan in a contested divorce & custody case?

Divide and conquer.

 

[RamblingMad]

Remember this.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/edward-viii-abdicates

 

[RamblingMad]

Check out what the Mirror thinks:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/worst-royal-crisis-85-years-23631635

 

[TLSnell1981]

Remember this.

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/edward-viii-abdicates

God bless Queen Elizabeth. What a class act. Not sure how anyone can follow...live up to her grace and strength. She truly doesn't deserve this **** from her grandson and his wife.

 

[Tigerlulu]

I saw they’ve been in talks about what to do all day. I don’t know how you otherwise appropriately respond to the airing out (and possible or probable) twisting of all your dirty laundry to the entire world. It’s bad enough when people do it on Facebook!

 

[Tigerlulu]

God bless Queen Elizabeth. What a class act. Not sure how anyone can follow...live up to her grace and strength. She truly doesn't deserve this **** from her grandson and his wife.

Just had a thought. I thought it was odd they seemed to turn around on throwing the Queen under the bus with everyone else. They seemed to want to but then tried to appear like they weren’t. I wonder how much they stand to inherit if she doesn’t write them out of her will.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Just had a thought. I thought it was odd they seemed to turn around on throwing the Queen under the bus with everyone else. They seemed to want to but then tried to appear like they weren’t. I wonder how much they stand to inherit if she doesn’t write them out of her will.

Make no mistake. They trashed the monarchy and thus the Queen. Perhaps this foolish pair thought they could salvage their relationship with the Queen. They are TOAST!

 

[Skywalker]

I saw about 3 parts of the interview as I was in and out of the room bringing my mother tea (and, later, red wine lol).

I saw Meghan whine about having to Google the British national anthem because no one had the foresight to teach it to her..I mean okay if that is the level of complaint you are willing to grasp at when you have precious air time on "Oprah". Wow. Sorry for the hardship of learning a new national anthem without having some lower-flunky staff member somehow, I don't know, somehow anticipate this and beam it into your brain?

She also set off my B.S. detector with her comment on a paid security detail (I am paraphrasing) "I understand no one cares about me and my child but please, for the love of God save my husband"

Thirdly, I saw Harry whine about money (I don't know how tone deaf you have to be, in a crazy violent pandemic world, to actually whine about your entitlements to security and money and titles....)

Anyway, my perception of Meghan did change after what I saw...I used to think she was a cold, hard manipulator. Now I truly think she has some sort of persecution complex and she truly believes everyone (her mother's family, her father's family, her husband's family, her husband's family's employees, a nation's media and a nation's citizens) are ALL out to get her.

My perception of Harry also changed. I used to think he had become a dirtbag...I now just think he is sad and lost.

I hope now that they have spewed their crap all over the British monarchy, they will feel satisfied and GO AWAY.

 

[mom2rtk]

I wonder, if that photo of Harry in the Nazi costume hadn't been seen previously, would he be run through the "cancel culture" buzz saw if it came out today?

 

[Princessclab]

I noticed an American journalist writing about his idea of the differences between American and British attitudes towards British royals (past and present) and his article relied heavily on stereotypes and incorrect assumptions.

For example, he assumes that most of the country disliked Harry for his antics in Vegas. I haven't found that (or much else he wrote) to be true. Most I know have long loved Harry for his more down-to-earth and playful nature, even when he has been more wild.

Newspapers aren't really helping from either side! No surprise! And the stereotype of Brits all being tweed-wearing, tea-drinking, older than their years, unable to talk about their feelings, mini versions of the aristocracy are so far from the normal, day-to-day truth!

ETA: He also underestimates the differences between Meghan and Diana, and tries to compare, again inaccurately. The RF was just as unpopular in the UK during Diana's time with them and, then, apart from them, for how they treated her. She was always loved by the majority and the Queen, especially, has had to work hard to regain respect and affection since.

I can imagine Americans liking the idea of another Diana - especially an "American Diana" - and might assume if there is backlash against Meghan it must mean Brits didn't love Diana, too. That's just not true. They are/were two very different individuals. Diana genuinely became a 'princess' and gave a huge amount to the UK.

So true, Meghan is no where near what Diana was.JMO.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I saw about 3 parts of the interview as I was in and out of the room bringing my mother tea (and, later, red wine lol).

I saw Meghan whine about having to Google the British national anthem because no one had the foresight to teach it to her..I mean okay if that is the level of complaint you are willing to grasp at when you have precious air time on "Oprah". Wow. Sorry for the hardship of learning a new national anthem without having some lower-flunky staff member somehow, I don't know, somehow anticipate this and beam it into your brain?

She also set off my B.S. detector with her comment on a paid security detail (I am paraphrasing) "I understand no one cares about me and my child but please, for the love of God save my husband"

Thirdly, I saw Harry whine about money (I don't know how tone deaf you have to be, in a crazy violent pandemic world, to actually whine about your entitlements to security and money and titles....)

Anyway, my perception of Meghan did change after what I saw...I used to think she was a cold, hard manipulator. Now I truly think she has some sort of persecution complex and she truly believes everyone (her mother's family, her father's family, her husband's family, her husband's family's employees, a nation's media and a nation's citizens) are ALL out to get her.

My perception of Harry also changed. I used to think he had become a dirtbag...I now just think he is sad and lost.

I hope now that they have spewed their crap all over the British monarchy, they will feel satisfied and GO AWAY.

No you were right. Harry is a dirt bag.