Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

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One other thing that came to mind, it is easier (and entertaining, I will admit) to have an opinion or discussion about Harry & Meghan, because there is not a clear right or wrong here. Because they contradict themselves, there are a lot of grey areas.

With Andrew, if true, then it is wrong. Charles betraying Diana was wrong. There is not much to say.
 
MM's behavior towards staff isn't described as random outbursts. She systematically and routinely singled out staff to bully. MM always had a target on someone's back. It's the reason William and Harry stopped sharing staff abruptly. It was also listed as a reason for the dissension between Kate and Meg.

Again I don't fall for MM and her perpetual victim hooey. Really everyone is picking on her...out to get her? It's not MM but everyone else? I don't buy it.
 
MM claims this is a smear campaign by the 'Firm'. The allegations were made by their staff not the family. M&H will spend the entire interview trying to justify, argue, defend and explain but it will fall on deaf ears. Who do you think people will believe...MM or everyone else?
While I do think it is very convenient for the palace in general that this information about Meghan being a bully to her staff has come forward now, it is still something that needs to be investigated. And the palace had no other choice that to react with that they will investigate. Not doing anything is much worse.

I am concerned that Meghan's people used the words 'smear campaign'. In discussions like these you can better stick to that it saddens you and something like that you would like to look into. Compare it to Meghan's friend (don't remember her name, Jessica? The one in Canada) who has several tv programs and got accused of racist behaviour. Better is to say you will have a good look at yourself, reflect, talk to people and that you are willing to learn. Saying 'it's a smear campaign' is denying there is a problem.

In the end, these stories are not new. Shortly after her marriage Meghan was already dubbed Duchess Difficult for how she worked with her staff.

This should be investigated, and let the chips fall where they may. The timing does feel awfully convenient for the palace bureaucracy -- who were complicit and deployed to protect Charles' interests when Charles and Diana were fully engaged in their skirmishes leading up to and after the divorce. That doesn't mean that all the smoke has no possibility of arising from fires lit by Meghan's bad behavior. The facts should speak for themselves.

I'm not so confident that the investigation will be thorough or impartial, which is a shame. Because either party should be held accountable and own their responsibility for wrongdoing.

As far as Andrew, that mess has been bubbling a very, very long time and was murmured about for years before it was widely broadcast in the media as front page news. Nothing is going to happen on that front unless outside forces have the leverage to press their advantage. This has the potential to bring down the monarchy because it's so ugly and completely beyond the pale of civil and decent human behavior.
 

This should be investigated, and let the chips fall where they may. The timing does feel awfully convenient for the palace bureaucracy -- who were complicit and deployed to protect Charles' interests when Charles and Diana were fully engaged in their skirmishes leading up to and after the divorce. That doesn't mean that all the smoke has no possibility of arising from fires lit by Meghan's bad behavior. The facts should speak for themselves.

I'm not so confident that the investigation will be thorough or impartial, which is a shame. Because either party should be held accountable and own their responsibility for wrongdoing.

As far as Andrew, that mess has been bubbling a very, very long time and was murmured about for years before it was widely broadcast in the media as front page news. Nothing is going to happen on that front unless outside forces have the leverage to press their advantage. This has the potential to bring down the monarchy because it's so ugly and completely beyond the pale of civil and decent human behavior.
I don't think we would be discussing this if H&M hadn't brought up the subject in the Oprah interview. Supposedly they will discuss the staff. Those affected felt the need to tell their side. Allegedly there are many corroborating witnesses.
 
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I don't think we would be discussing this if iH&M hadn't brought up the subject in the Oprah interview. Supposedly they will discuss the staff. Those affected felt the need to tell their side. Allegedly there are many corroborating witnesses.

Maybe yes, maybe no as far as the corroborating witnesses go. Bear in mind that the behind the scenes palace bureaucracy is an old, tangled, and nebulous power structure that has been wielding authority of a somewhat murky nature for many, many years -- even to some extent over the royals themselves. In a legal arena this would qualify for special scrutiny to attempt to evaluate if the corroboration wasn't simply the by-product of conspirators acting in concert. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm simply saying it has to be considered if the whole thing is going to be investigated to uncover facts and come to conclusions based on facts, whatever they may be.

My bet is that there's blame to share and both sides have dirty hands. Commence the quibbling over -- "She started it!" "No, they did this to me first!" I suspect Harry knows this and is either refusing to acknowledge it or is being willfully blind. Either way, he's the one person with the most power to have controlled this situation from the start, something he would have done if he did indeed truly love his birth family as much as he says he does. If his wife has even a small bit of the negative qualities and calculating nature she has been accused of, Harry is a complete fool because he will either live his life under her thumb or in a no man's land he will have helped construct for himself, separated from his birth family and potentially his children for significant portions of time.
 
Maybe yes, maybe no as far as the corroborating witnesses go. Bear in mind that the behind the scenes palace bureaucracy is an old, tangled, and nebulous power structure that has been wielding authority of a somewhat murky nature for many, many years -- even to some extent over the royals themselves. In a legal arena this would qualify for special scrutiny to attempt to evaluate if the corroboration wasn't simply the by-product of conspirators acting in concert. I'm not saying that is the case, I'm simply saying it has to be considered if the whole thing is going to be investigated to uncover facts and come to conclusions based on facts, whatever they may be.

My bet is that there's blame to share and both sides have dirty hands. Commence the quibbling over -- "She started it!" "No, they did this to me first!" I suspect Harry knows this and is either refusing to acknowledge it or is being willfully blind. Either way, he's the one person with the most power to have controlled this situation from the start, something he would have done if he did indeed truly love his birth family as much as he says he does. If his wife has even a small bit of the negative qualities and calculating nature she has been accused of, Harry is a complete fool because he will either live his life under her thumb or in a no man's land he will have helped construct for himself, separated from his birth family and potentially his children for significant portions of time.
It seems to be a pattern with MM. Conflict always seems to follow her whether it's her family, PH's family, former friends, staff, etc. She is always the victim. And then there is the hypocrisy... The more visible H&M are the worse they look. JMO
 
Maybe start another thread? I mean, that's a pretty serious charge and I'm fully outraged by it. But that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on this.

Well, yes, sure. My point is the media is all over the Duchess of Sussex and forgetting that somebody else used to hang around with Epstein a lot.
 
Well, yes, sure. My point is the media is all over the Duchess of Sussex and forgetting that somebody else used to hang around with Epstein a lot.

No-one I can assure you is forgetting anything about him!

Right now most people are focussing on a highlighted story. And rightly so as they have created this media circus themselves......but everyone else are the bad guys.

When Andrew gets his day I`m sure there will be as many comments as on this thread.
 
Well there are always 3 sides to any story , Meghan's side, the employees side and the truth.

I doubt that it is all one sided, not all Meghan's fault, nor all the employees fault. We've all had "a bad day at the office" when things and feelings just seem to escalate quickly.

However, I keep coming back to the now infamous quote that Prince Harry apparently said "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets"

Did Prince Harry enable this behaviour from her from the get go? Or is is that he was so in love with her that he couldn't risk losing her if her every wim wasn't attended to?


I'm sure they are a therapists dream to study!

I wonder if those palace employees would ever speak out. I'm sure they had to sign nda but are all bets now off that Meghan and Harry have spoken out?
 
Well there are always 3 sides to any story , Meghan's side, the employees side and the truth.

I doubt that it is all one sided, not all Meghan's fault, nor all the employees fault. We've all had "a bad day at the office" when things and feelings just seem to escalate quickly.

However, I keep coming back to the now infamous quote that Prince Harry apparently said "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets"

Did Prince Harry enable this behaviour from her from the get go? Or is is that he was so in love with her that he couldn't risk losing her if her every wim wasn't attended to?


I'm sure they are a therapists dream to study!

I wonder if those palace employees would ever speak out. I'm sure they had to sign nda but are all bets now off that Meghan and Harry have spoken out?

The irony of MM asking for women to be supported and heard in all walks of life, then it`s discovered she has treated these women badly and they are being silenced now.

This is the type of hypocracy from this pair that we have seen almost from the wedding day onwards.....

And the allegations haven`t been denied by MM & co......the statement about her response was carefully worded, but no denial.
 
Well, yes, sure. My point is the media is all over the Duchess of Sussex and forgetting that somebody else used to hang around with Epstein a lot.
And I'm sure the subject will get more discussion when more information drops. Maybe if/when Maxwell goes to trial? It will be all over the place.

But with the Duke and Duchess choosing to sit down with Oprah, this is what people are discussing today.

It doesn't mean people don't care about Prince Andrew's story. Nor does the Andrew story mean that nobody should care about this story.
 
It's also interesting that the alleged MM bullying her staff story is being told by the one paper MM and PH said they would be willing to relay their own stories to (ie not to any other British media outlet they deemed not acceptable due to the said media's treatment of MM).

It's also interesting MM is not suing over this story. Leads to its credence given how she has sued in the past for any "false" story put out by the media.

Honestly MM and PH are the new "woke" crowd or seem to be. That's why I don't care for them. The hypocrisy and woe is me is cringeworthy. For example, at the end of a tour in Africa where you are there to support people in true poverty and dire situations, you find it a good time to reflect that no one asks how you're doing or coping. Really??? It reminds me of a lot of society today who want validation for every feeling they have, every opinion they hold, and every life choice they make. And are offended if you dare not validate them. The fact that they are taking their feelings and airing them on Oprah is disgusting. Grow the heck up.

I just don't have respect for people like that.
 
......the statement about her response was carefully worded, but no denial.

Yes, I thought this was at best strange, at worst telling.

But with the Duke and Duchess choosing to sit down with Oprah, this is what people are discussing today.

It doesn't mean people don't care about Prince Andrew's story. Nor does the Andrew story mean that nobody should care about this story.

I agree. They chose to bring ,not just the spotlight, but the most sensational spotlight on themselves. (And at a time when there are much bigger issues going on for the majority of the world's population.)

They can't expect to have whatever say they want, but keep trying to shut up everyone else.

And, there can't be one rule for them and another for everyone else!
 
When I am reminded about Harry’s “what Meghan wants Meghan gets”, I picture a 2 year old stomping away.

I know! I keep hoping this isn't true - that Harry didn't really say it! o_O

I also hope Meghan didn't really say it isn't her job "to coddle people", bearing in mind she was complaining TO THE MEDIA that no one was asking her if she was OK!
 
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Devil's advocate --- If, IF the infamous Prince Harry quote about Meghan gets what Meghan wants is true, the first finger of blame should be pointed at Harry for that. If proven true, that statement can only be held against Harry without evidence that Meghan influenced it, endorses it or encourages or encouraged it.

It's also incredibly early days to say that they're not filing suit over the bullying story, therefore the claims must be true. The other lawsuits weren't filed within days of the actions they were objecting to occurring.
 
... The more visible H&M are the worse they look. JMO

I wish I could disagree!!! There was such broad hope for them at the beginning.

They do seem oblivious to their own role in all this and/or they're getting terrible PR advice.
 
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