Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[Cheburashka]

By the time Prince Charles takes over as King, Prince George could be nearing or even be in his teenage years, so the slimmed down monarchy may not stay slimmed down for long with the Cambridge children growing up.

Assuming that one or more of them don't decide to move overseas and cash in on their status instead of staying on as working royals.

 

[cabanafrau]

That was back in the 40's and 50's, when the utility of the monarchy was never questioned. Now, it constantly is being questioned, and the royal family is expected to be very public and involved with many aspects of British life as a justification for the monarchy's existence. That's why keeping a strong presence is important for it to continue.

They literally had to change their name to Windsor from Saxe Coburg Gothe to turn the public tide away from dumping the monarchy amidst anti German sentiment. Things were also questionable in light of the abdication and Edward's behavior, others saw King George unfavorably in comparison and preferred his glamorous brother. The monarchy has always gone through risk of being cancelled at points of time. Since probably the 1960s the numbers of those who find it an anachronism have tended to grow. Thus far it seems to have avoided the hook by virtue of the Queen's stolid dedication, the jolt of Diana's popularity and glamor, and the general goodwill towards William and Harry.

Personally I've always felt the monarchy won't survive Charles. If Charles reigns himself in and William and his children can capture the public's interest they may just manage to squeak by for William to take the throne. IMO they're in trouble if Harry makes waves, William's looks continue to drift towards premature middle age and he begins to be viewed as an out of touch, robotic and dutiful fuddy duddy.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I'm afraid Charles will finish it off. The Queen, William and Kate are the only ones who can keep it going. Personally I want the tradition to continue.

 

[snappy]

I’d like to see the tradition continue as well. The Queen has been a rock for her country for so many years, as were her mother and father during their time. IMHO William and and Kate and their offspring have real potential. I’ll take a dutiful middle age prince over a lackluster one of the cashing in variety any day of the week.

 

[cabanafrau]

I’d like to see the tradition continue as well. The Queen has been a rock for her country for so many years, as were her mother and father during their time. IMHO William and and Kate and their offspring have real potential. I’ll take a dutiful middle age prince over a lackluster one of the cashing in variety any day of the week.

My comments about William weren't a reflection of my negative judgment of him, simply some of the comments I've seen online about him. Simple fact of the matter is, it would be easier to hold a certain segment of public support if he looks young, dashing, adventurous and as if he's having fun. As the years have gone on he seems to have gotten a bit more serious, possibly feeling the weight of more and more duty on his shoulders -- and the fact that he's now father to three young kids. Entirely normal, but it doesn't fuel the public's imagination in quite the same way, and the bottom line is PR is pretty vital to the monarchy.

 

[person]

Not every young chold goes to daycare or "mommy and me" class. Even outside of a pandemic. He's on par with many non-royal kids his age in that regard.

How he'll navigate the entitled attitudes he's grown up around is another matter (an issue for all young royals).

Hi; if young Royals grow up with a strong sense of service and duty, then people who live in a system which has a monarchy are more likely to warm to their sense of example and duty; if however they pursue a "me first", glamour publicity sort of lifestyle, then they might get the publicity indeed but whether it's respect they receive is another matter.

 

[tinkerdorabelle]

Apples to oranges but neither has the moral high ground.

Did you just compare literally morals between Meghan/Harry and Andrew who was hanging out with Epstein and accused of orgies with young teenage underage girls? "neither has moral high ground', what? Seriously not I hope

 

[mamamia2005]

I think here in the UK the Cambridge's are pretty well thought of - amongst those who are supporters of the monarchy. William and Catherine were a breath of fresh air in many ways in the early days of their relationship. They "lived in sin" which would of previously been unheard of, and have a natural obvious and not forced affection for each other. They do seem to be able to communicate with the ordinary person on the street., and never appear to be "stuffy". William may have inherited this skill from his mother. Kate seems to have taken to her role very well - of course she had many years to get used to the idea!
There are always those that say we should do away with the monarchy. But although they do cost the British tax payer a miniscule amount, they do apparently bring in a lot of tourist money to the UK economy ( in normal times!)
I think there is also a small minority who would prefer that the crown went straight to William rather than Charles. However, I could never see that happening. Charles was brought up to be the future King, and (a possibly very old) King he will be.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Love William

 

[mom2rtk]

My comments about William weren't a reflection of my negative judgment of him, simply some of the comments I've seen online about him. Simple fact of the matter is, it would be easier to hold a certain segment of public support if he looks young, dashing, adventurous and as if he's having fun.

Are you saying that's not how you'd describe Charles?

 

[person]

William has his mother's smile.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

1. service
noun
an act of helpful activity; help; aid: to do someone a service.
the supplying or supplier of utilities or commodities, as water, electricity, or gas, required or demanded by the public.
adjective
of service; useful.
of, relating to, or used by servants, delivery people, etc., or in serving food: service stairs; the service pieces in a set of dishes.
verb
to make fit for use; repair; restore to condition for service: to service an automobile.
to supply with aid, information, or other incidental services.

2. duty
noun
something that one is expected or required to do by moral or legal obligation.
the binding or obligatory force of something that is morally or legally right; moral or legal obligation.
an action or task required by a person's position or occupation; function: the duties of a clergyman.
the respectful and obedient conduct due a parent, superior, elder, etc.
an act or expression of respect.
a task or chore that a person is expected to perform: It's your duty to do the dishes.


Buckingham Palace Statement

The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have confirmed to Her Majesty The Queen that they will not be returning as working members of The Royal Family.

Following conversations with The Duke, The Queen has written confirming that in stepping away from the work of The Royal Family it is not possible to continue with the responsibilities and duties that come with a life of public service. The honorary military appointments and Royal patronages held by The Duke and Duchess will therefore be returned to Her Majesty, before being redistributed among working members of The Royal Family.

While all are saddened by their decision, The Duke and Duchess remain much loved members of the family.

As widely reported, The Queen reminded Harry, “You work for the monarchy. The monarchy doesn’t work for you.”

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...-the-monarchy-doesnt-work-for-you/ar-BB1dRyZ1
"The Queen as we know is devoted to her duty and to her country...she loves her children and being a grandmother.

But in the end her sense of duty is more important than grandchildren or children or great grandchildren.”

 

[mamamia2005]

The other thing that has just occurred to me is that as I said Charles has been brought upto be King. And so has William. For William though I do wonder if there had always been the thought that his brother would be there almost by his side, as one of his chief supporters during his reign. And I don't mean that Harry would be telling William what to do or guiding him per se. More that William would have been able to use Harry as a sounding board. As brothers, particularly ones that were so close and had such a bond over losing their mother so young, I could imagine that could have been a vital role in Williams tenure at the helm. And now he most likely won't be. Not at all what Diana would have wanted for her boys I should imagine.

 

[person]

Pea-n-Me: Good post there...

 

[nicolita3]

Love William

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I hope the rumors arent true about him cheating on his wife...which is what I heard was the reason there was a wedge driven between him and his brother.

 

[Suger Mag]

I am a bit taken aback by the level of nastiness that is being directed at MM. This is their life, they did not choose to be born to whom they were born to. If they as a couple decide to live their life as they want, then go for it, you only get one life and they owe no one any explanations... certainly not a bunch of folks who really come off as jealous and snide.

The way some of these posters talk about what the KNOW what is going on.... it is like they are friends with the very queen herself lol...

If you cared to look these young people have been very active while in America. Doing a wide variety of charity work.

Besides the link a page or two back I posted about the most recent aid to Texas and a woman's shelter

there is....

Baking bread for a food charity in LA...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/ente...ry-bake-bread-los-angeles-charity/3251731001/
Partnering to build food centers in disaster areas ....
https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-...ership-with-food-charity-20201221-p56p9t.html
Using their status to advance a charity that clothes needy kids by using them for their Christmas gifts...
https://www.harpersbazaar.com/celeb...ince-harry-make-give-live-christmas-donation/
Dec 2020...
Archewell collaborated with neurosurgeon James Doty from Stanford University to support his center's research on "promoting altruism" in society.

Loveland Foundation collaborations, which provides mental health resources to black women, and the Center for Humane Technology, which promotes ethical technology use

January 2021...
Archewell Foundation Fund to support the goals of the UCLA Center for Critical Internet Inquiry

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arche... known as,efforts and creative media ventures.

I know they do a hell of a lot more for charity than I do... and most likely more than ANY of us on this thread.

 

[Cheburashka]

I hope the rumors arent true about him cheating on his wife...which is what I heard was the reason there was a wedge driven between him and his brother.

No, he didn't cheat but regardless that is not the reason. The reason for the wedge is that Harry got serious about Meghan fairly quickly, and cautious William advised Harry to slow down and get to know her better first. That offended Harry, as if William thought Meghan wasn't good enough for the family. In particular, he took offense to William saying, "take your time and get to know that girl" (the same way William had taken his time to very thoroughly get to know Kate, her character and her intentions, before getting engaged). Harry thought Meghan was being dissed and it's only gone downhill from there in their relationship as William has disapproved of Harry's relatively quick marriage to Meghan and a lot of the choices and behavior of them as a couple, particularly their behavior in relation to the Queen.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I hope the rumors arent true about him cheating on his wife...which is what I heard was the reason there was a wedge driven between him and his brother.

Maybe the truth will come out on OPRAH

 

[mamamia2005]

No, he didn't cheat but regardless that is not the reason. The reason for the wedge is that Harry got serious about Meghan fairly quickly, and cautious William advised Harry to slow down and get to know her better first. That offended Harry, as if William thought Meghan wasn't good enough for the family. In particular, he took offense to William saying, "take your time and get to know that girl" (the same way William had taken his time to very thoroughly get to know Kate, her character and her intentions, before getting engaged). Harry thought Meghan was being dissed and it's only gone downhill from there in their relationship as William has disapproved of Harry's relatively quick marriage to Meghan and a lot of the choices and behavior of them as a couple, particularly their behavior in relation to the Queen.

Yep! I think William is very loyal to his Grandmother.

Wasn't there quotes around the time of Harry and Meghan's wedding that Harry has said "what Meghan wants, Meghan gets". I expect this would have been totally at odds with what William is used to. I don't expect Kate is a complete pushover, but just more quietly and respectfully determined. Rather than in the in your face style of the newer Mrs Mountbatten Windsor! You really couldn't have two different next generation royal wives. Such a shame, as the four of them with different personalities could have been a real force for good if they had worked together.

 

[person]

Maybe the truth will come out on OPRAH

Oh please, no....