Is it okay to put family first? (Response to royal family stuff)

[DisneyJamieCA]

And that is just super sad. Just like in so many things, the kids suffer the most. Meghan has cut ties to her family and Harry's family. Those are relationships that their kids should have.
Just another sad story. One of many these days.

Not if they're unhealthy relationships. And nobody outside of the situation gets to judge that.

 

[redrosesix]

I'm trying to get a feel how the different parties in the US are talking/thinking about this case on tv and in the media. But I now notice, there is a serious gap in my American culture education It's hard to judge who would be a more reliable source to listen to.

I live in Canada and we get all of the American news channels and I couldn't tell you. I think most of them are scared to look like they're on the wrong side of race issues in the US. Of course CBS won't report objectively because they own the interview. The others seem to be choosing not to go after them for the inaccuracies.

The only people I really trust are Native Opinion Podcast, but I doubt they will get to this story at all (especially since Deb Holland just got into the cabinet -- first indigenous cabinet member in the US!)

In Canada, CTV and Global are right in the middle but we have no news network on the right. The CBC is too scared of getting hate mail to report on a lot of topics. They also don't report on indigenous issues because we also have CBC Indigenous and APTN -- Aboriginal Peoples Television Network -- and they only report on indigenous issues. The news here is the same in French or English.

 

[redrosesix]

Seriously? What if HE doesn't want to go because HE wants to be there for the birth of his child? Not everything is her fault.

ok...I should have made the thought more clear. I don't think she will let him go if she's within 3 months of her due date.

 

[Skywalker]

Well, Gayle King is long-time "best friend" of Oprah.

Yes, this is certainly how I know her name.

 

[redrosesix]

Not if they're unhealthy relationships. And nobody outside of the situation gets to judge that.

There are 30 senior royals, and one of them said something about babies and skin colour.

Other than that, it's not a bad thing for kids to have cousins. Surely you're not assuming that George and Charlotte are racist too?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

ok...I should have made the thought more clear. I don't think she will let him go if she's within 3 months of her due date.

But again, putting it on her with the "let him". Why can't it be that HE is making a decision for HIM? Why is it automatically her fault?

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

There are 30 senior royals, and one of them said something about babies and skin colour.

Other than that, it's not a bad thing for kids to have cousins. Surely you're not assuming that George and Charlotte are racist too?

You're assuming that the race comment was the only thing that might make it unhealthy. Relationships can be unhealthy for all sorts of reasons. It's not up to us to decide what's "worthy" of distance or not.

 

[redrosesix]

You're assuming that the race comment was the only thing that might make it unhealthy. Relationships can be unhealthy for all sorts of reasons. It's not up to us to decide what's "worthy" of distance or not.

Well the actual point that you first commented on was that this should have been dealt with privately for the sake of the kids. Maybe there will be a reconciliation in the future, but all of this is already out there for them to see. It makes any kind of detente more difficult when you've trashed your entire family publicly. And I doubt very much that every single member of the RF is toxic.

I think the daily public bashing is creating a pretty unhealthy atmosphere for everyone. Lots of families have problems, but the grown ups deal with them quietly and find a way to keep the kids out of it. In this situation, that's impossible.

 

[BayouQueen]

Not if they're unhealthy relationships. And nobody outside of the situation gets to judge that.

There's too many of them to all be bad. There have to be some decent people in the lot -- other than Meghan's mom. Harry's old friends have been cut, too. All these people can't be awful.

But that's all I'll say on that. We all form opinions based on our personal experience.

 

[mom2rtk]

Well the actual point that you first commented on was that this should have been dealt with privately for the sake of the kids. Maybe there will be a reconciliation in the future, but all of this is already out there for them to see. It makes any kind of detente more difficult when you've trashed your entire family publicly. And I doubt very much that every single member of the RF is toxic.

I think the daily public bashing is creating a pretty unhealthy atmosphere for everyone. Lots of families have problems, but the grown ups deal with them quietly and find a way to keep the kids out of it. In this situation, that's impossible.

And there isn't video enshrined online forever for the kids to go back and watch later.

You're assuming that the race comment was the only thing that might make it unhealthy. Relationships can be unhealthy for all sorts of reasons. It's not up to us to decide what's "worthy" of distance or not.

They did a 2 hour sit down interview that opened with rehashing a 3 year old argument over children's tights. I think if there were other serious issues, she had time to bring them up.

 

[redrosesix]

But again, putting it on her with the "let him". Why can't it be that HE is making a decision for HIM? Why is it automatically her fault?

She seems to be making all of the rules now. For example, when Archie was born, Harry chose for him not to be Lord Archie -- which he would have been simply by virtue of being the son of a duke. Harry also chose not to make him Earl of Dumbarton. But now we find out Meghan expected the Queen to make an exception for Archie and make him a prince -- even though 5 of her other great-grandchildren have no title at all.

ok, so maybe he changed his mind. But it really seems like she changed his mind for him.

 

[redrosesix]

I absolutely CAN NOT wait for the hilarious thread in July. It'll be like Christmas morning. Hopefully she comes too because that will be incredible comedy gold right here.

I don't know if I can take it if she comes in July. On the one hand, this all seems so petty. But on the other hand, I'm scrolling through all of the history books I've read and what happened when a second son in the RF started bashing his family. I don't think it ever ended well.

One commentator said he thought M&H were representing themselves as the new woke RF, and trying to make the RF irrelevent. Questionable, but I really don't want times to get any more interesting than they already are.

 

[mom2rtk]

One commentator said he thought M&H were representing themselves as the new woke RF, and trying to make the RF irrelevent. Questionable, but I really don't want times to get any more interesting than they already are.

if that’s what Harry is up to then it is inconsistent with his professed love of his grandmother.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Well the actual point that you first commented on was that this should have been dealt with privately for the sake of the kids. Maybe there will be a reconciliation in the future, but all of this is already out there for them to see. It makes any kind of detente more difficult when you've trashed your entire family publicly. And I doubt very much that every single member of the RF is toxic.

I think the daily public bashing is creating a pretty unhealthy atmosphere for everyone. Lots of families have problems, but the grown ups deal with them quietly and find a way to keep the kids out of it. In this situation, that's impossible.

There's too many of them to all be bad. There have to be some decent people in the lot -- other than Meghan's mom. Harry's old friends have been cut, too. All these people can't be awful.

But that's all I'll say on that. We all form opinions based on our personal experience.

And there isn't video enshrined online forever for the kids to go back and watch later.

They did a 2 hour sit down interview that opened with rehashing a 3 year old argument over children's tights. I think if there were other serious issues, she had time to bring them up.

I never once said the toxicity went one way. Or was only directed at M&H. I said there are reasons why some family relationships aren't worth mending. And even though I have some empathy for M&H, I've never said I support them blindly. Nor fully.

But wow, you all were quick to jump on that one.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

She seems to be making all of the rules now. For example, when Archie was born, Harry chose for him not to be Lord Archie -- which he would have been simply by virtue of being the son of a duke. Harry also chose not to make him Earl of Dumbarton. But now we find out Meghan expected the Queen to make an exception for Archie and make him a prince -- even though 5 of her other great-grandchildren have no title at all.

ok, so maybe he changed his mind. But it really seems like she changed his mind for him.

Seems = assumptions

When we do we start holding men accountable for their actions? He's a big boy. It's not all her fault. They made decisions together. I never said they were the right ones.

 

[Cheburashka]

When we do we start holding men accountable for their actions? He's a big boy. It's not all her fault.

Her controlling behavior (getting him to cut off longtime friends and family who he previously had good relationships with, getting him to quit his hobbies and his job, and getting him to move far from his beloved lifelong home) is abusive, imo. When someone is under coercive control, we can't ethically criticize their lack of accountability.

 

[Cheburashka]

if that’s what Harry is up to then it is inconsistent with his professed love of his grandmother.

The whole interview is inconsistent with care and respect for the queen. They kept claiming how much they like and respect her, but they spent the rest of the interview attacking everything the queen cares about, so their words were disingenuous. Yes, this interview is an anti-monarchy interview. The whole "my father & brother are trapped, and Meghan has shown me that I was trapped" narrative is an anti-monarchist narrative.

 

[NotUrsula]

And on a note of comic relief, John Oliver has a "theory" that this whole situation was engineered by Prince Andrew as a diversion.

... and whether or not you find the joke funny, there is this: Oliver works for HBO, but he said it while appearing as guest on Stephen Colbert's show, again on CBS. Colbert also worked his entire monologue around the interview last Monday, mining every word for comedic value, although in his case it mostly seemed to be a fan-boy celebration of Oprah herself, and not much about her interview subjects.

This morning we get Gayle King, again on CBS. It seems to me that CBS has decided that this story is the network's proverbial Golden Goose. Prepare for this bird to get VERY old & tough before they finally cook it.

 

[VandVsmama]

Raise your hand if you'd like to see Meghan become a cast member of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Raise your hand if you'd like to see Meghan become a cast member of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Actually, that would be pretty entertaining!