Is Brazil closed?

[GlendaO]

If you are so offended by the "bigots" on this thread,(we were called bigots by a previous poster) why read it?

Funny because I am one of the earlier posters who complained about the Brazilian tour groups I just experienced earlier this month. So I was called a bigot. I guess I'm a PC bigot? Or a thin-skinned PC bigot?

It just irks me that someone who corrects a historical mistake (and points out to someome who made that mistake that he or she could have offended a Native American in doing so even unintentionally) is criticized for that. Part of the reason so many people misjudge others is because they lack the accurate information. I'm pretty sure that most Americans have no idea what happened at Wounded Knee. As calgarygary wrote, "Although your true intent was probably not to disrespect, the lack of knowledge of such a sad day for American Natives, is in itself, disrespectful, although unintentional." The lack of knowledge is the problem here, and calgarygary was just pointing out the truth.

Many people who have attacked those of us irritated with the Brazilians (and called us bigots in the process) have not experienced them and therefore do not have the information that we have--so again, a lack of information or an abundance of misinformation causes problems where there's no need for any.

Sorry, but I think it was the tone that annoyed people -- not the actual correction of fact. See, if I were playing PC Police, I might point out that Native Americans are, in point of fact Americans, and that they might take offense to your comment that you're pretty sure most Americans have no idea what happened at Wounded Knee. Also, lots of people who look "white" and "black" have a tremendous amount of Native ancestry they are quite proud of and know a bit about Native history.

Just so you know, my family reunions aren't a sea of white or black or any one color -- in my immediate family we have Chinese, Black, White, Native and Hispanic -- not to mention all the multiplicity of bi-racial children...And I'm just happy that my pale, muttified self, with my non-white husband and very bi-racial kids will be going in September when the BTG will be less likely to be out. I'm quite prejudiced -- can't stand rude, obnoxious people or those lovely ones looking for an offense from everyone else!

 

[Kick Save]

I've seen the PC term tossed about concerning calgarygary's post and I'm not sure it fits...HC would probably be better, meaning historically correct. There's really nothing political concerning Little Big Horn or Wounded Knee in 2007. Confusing them is historically inacurate not reallly politically wrong. I'm pretty sure it was in this 19 page monster where I read Custard (frozen or not wasn't specified) lost at Wounded Knee...seems political correctness is the least of our worries...

Sorry about the I'm not trying to make light of the situation. However, tour groups are a reality at WDW. Tour groups from Brazil are a reality in the month of July. Tour groups from Brazil comprised of teenagers with limited supervision are a reality at WDW in July. That isn't bigotry or racist, it's pretty much a fact. How it relates to Gen. G.A. Custer or the Souix nation is beyond me...

Carry on.

 

[PrincessTiff]

and you get even funnier

You continue to prove their point which each post you make.

what most of you say...you're proving you're bigoted w/ every post you type. But alas, I'm less than 24 hours from my trip to WDW...so I have no more time to sit and read these anymore.

I have to go get ready and get my mind right for all of the barbaric Brazilians

Yes, you all have generalized an entire group of people, reduced to THEM and THOSE PEOPLE, butttttt you're not bigots....oh to live in your world, must be nice! The funny thing is I am sure you hide it all very well out in the real world, I couldn't imagine the same statements coming out of your mouths then...well not in "mixed"company anyway...

Sooooooo, you people continue to have at it. This is the perfect place for you again behind some screen name on the world wide web.

I'm convinced you don't even know what a "bigot" is. As a previous poster said, that's some mighty thin skin. Good luck at WDW with that!

 

[Quinn222]

Thought it worth mentioning that the new (and highly recommended by the Dis podcasters) book "The Complete Walt Disney World" in the section on when to go mentions July as a time when "gazillions of Brazilians also visit in large tour groups."

 

[Uncleromulus]

If my memory serves, back in 1996 or so Disney--well aware of the Brazilian problem even then----actually sent a video and some information on "proper behavior" to several thousand travel agents in Brazil. This well intentioned, albeit feeble, effort to encourage good manners obviously didn't work.

 

[boomhauer]

The amazing thing to me is that this thread started 4 days ago and there have been 272 posts. This tells me that many people have experiance the tour groups and that there is an issue. Wish Disney would do some training with the groups before they landed in the parks.

As much as Disney claims to care about their guests, they care much more about money. I think Disney would let people enter the parks with dynamite attached to their chest if they had enough money.




(I kid, of course.)

 

[boomhauer]

Thought it worth mentioning that the new (and highly recommended by the Dis podcasters) book "The Complete Walt Disney World" in the section on when to go mentions July as a time when "gazillions of Brazilians also visit in large tour groups."

OT - I have just about every Disney guide book on the market, and this one is the best. Has great theme park info, and some awesome pictures.

Only thing it's lacking is good, detailed information about the resorts.

 

[disneyaggie]

ATTENTION ANY AND ALL CM'S . . .

Please do us all a favor and show this thread to "the powers that be" at WDW.

While WDW makes money off of the Brazillians, they make a whole lot more money off of the rest of us who do behave appropriately. If any group can not be respectful, then perhaps they need to be escorted out of the parks so the rest of us can enjoy it all.

 

[chrismb22]

As much as I think its the big $$ that keeps Disney turning the other way, it would also be a PR NIGHTMARE if they turned these groups away. Could you imagine the headlines? "Disney prejudiced against Brazillians" "Disney prejudiced against teens"

I like the other poster's idea about putting a cast member with them at all times (if feasible) OR insisting that they must have X number of chaperones per so many people. Maybe that would help the situation a little bit.

(AND AGAIN, I'm talking about ALL tour groups here -- not JUST Brazillians.)

 

[boomhauer]

As much as I think its the big $$ that keeps Disney turning the other way, it would also be a PR NIGHTMARE if they turned these groups away. Could you imagine the headlines? "Disney prejudiced against Brazillians" "Disney prejudiced against teens"

I like the other poster's idea about putting a cast member with them at all times (if feasible) OR insisting that they must have X number of chaperones per so many people. Maybe that would help the situation a little bit.

(AND AGAIN, I'm talking about ALL tour groups here -- not JUST Brazillians.)

Unfortunately, the Brazilian tour group leaders instigate the groups.

 

[Laugh O. Grams]

Just got back from WDW last night:

Yes, there were tons of tour groups at the parks, but not just of the Brazilian variety. There were a quite a few obnoxious "special needs" groups of various types (blind, deaf, mentally challenged, among many others), the annoying "Grand Gatherings" families of 10 or more, the obvious dorky DIS families, dressed proudly in lime green t-shirts, confidently showing clueless family members how the parks should be properly navigated, not to mention the usual throngs of bratty kids who are off on summer vacation and their parents. I tell you, if it wasn't for all the people, Disney might have a great concept going there!

BTW, we had a great trip! There are so many ideas/alternatives to get around these groups of differing varieties found right here on the DIS, it honestly didn't thwart our plans in the slightest. And for the record, the only rude guests we encountered were a couple of 40 something, portly, American adults who stepped right in front of my 2 yo daughter sitting at the rope during a parade. I politely asked them to move, they did, and life was beautiful once again.

 

[katebeth]

As much as I think its the big $$ that keeps Disney turning the other way, it would also be a PR NIGHTMARE if they turned these groups away. Could you imagine the headlines? "Disney prejudiced against Brazillians" "Disney prejudiced against teens"

I like the other poster's idea about putting a cast member with them at all times (if feasible) OR insisting that they must have X number of chaperones per so many people. Maybe that would help the situation a little bit.

(AND AGAIN, I'm talking about ALL tour groups here -- not JUST Brazillians.)

I think you make a great point here....

The thing is, Disney doesn't have to tell these groups that they are not welcomed, just give the guidelines and tell them that if they don't follow them, they will be asked to leave. We are given guidelines....for example if I wore a t-shirt that had explict language into the parks, I probably would be ask to leave....not because disney is against the first ammendment, but because it is disrespectful to other guests.

All people need guidlines and LIMITS.....

 

[calgarygary]

This is what I am talking about though. You are entitled to feel that people shouldn't joke about certain things but as my grandma used to say, opinions are like anal orifices(PC term for butthole), everyone's got one. Who are you to decide what jokes are made? Secondly,it is not the correction of facts that irked me, it's the tone used, and the nitpicky nature of the post. Calling someone disrespectful because they got historical dates wrong is just plain stupid. I'm sorry, but there are people that ARE way too hypersensitive and`politically correct. I am native American on my dad's side and the rest of me is a hodgepodge of various cultures. If I were one of these sniveling PC people, I'd be offended 24 hours a day. Many of us come from ethnic backgrounds where there are various stereotypes, jokes and/or historical events that weren't very pleasant.
There are other large groups that show up at Disney and are rude also..ie Cheerleaders(some), school groups etc. There are posts slamming these groups as well. This post was about obnoxious Brazilian tour groups, of which many people here have first hand experience. If you are so offended by the "bigots" on this thread,(we were called bigots by a previous poster) why read it?

Posting such misinformation in and of itself is showing disrespect towards the memories of the innocents that died and of a culture that is greatly misunderstood even today. I appreciate that the poster wasn't intentionally showing disrespect (see the last sentence of my post) but the disrespect of confusing a battle where 2 armed forces faced each other with the slaughter of innocents still exists. If I were to confuse another more recent killing of innocents with an armed conflict would it not be showing disrespect to those that died on 9/11? If you found an offensive tone in my correcting the poster, I would suggest that you are reading emotions that were not written. As far as your other comments regarding supposed snivelling PC people, I see nothing snivelling about pointing out to a group of people the definitions of prejudiced and bigoted.

 

[randy4au]

These groups were quite numerous during my recent trip from July 11-16. At first I assumed the groups were from Europe until I began seeing websites on some t-shirts that ended with ".br" for Brazil. I always hurried to reach the fastpass machines or to get in line when I saw a group approaching. The only time I saw a group cutting in line was at MuppetVision.

 

[Lawshark]

I see nothing snivelling about pointing out to a group of people the definitions of prejudiced and bigoted.

True...too true.

Kinda like pointing out to certain people "educating" posters the definition of "prig"?

 

[Ahabart]

OT - I have just about every Disney guide book on the market, and this one is the best. Has great theme park info, and some awesome pictures.

Only thing it's lacking is good, detailed information about the resorts.

Do I need this book? I've done TGM and, obviously, this board. Is there information in here that I need. 'Cause I feel the need to buy more things for this trip

 

[kathyg]

OK....I'm a bit lost here...I've been on these boards for some time now and I keep reading about the "Brazilian Tour Groups" (well, really not reading, just skimming). Can someone enlighten me as to what the problem is? I get the gist that they are annoying, but how? Do you really think these "groups" infringe on every else's rights at Disney? If so, how so?

I may be missing a lot here because I"ve never seemed to encounter these groups (always go in August). But I'm curious as to why their way of enjoying their vacation seems to turn people off?

Isn't Disney all about being in a fantasy land and acting like a kid again? Please clue me in....

 

[boomhauer]

Do I need this book? I've done TGM and, obviously, this board. Is there information in here that I need. 'Cause I feel the need to buy more things for this trip

Sorry - Duplicate post.

 

[boomhauer]

Do I need this book? I've done TGM and, obviously, this board. Is there information in here that I need. 'Cause I feel the need to buy more things for this trip

Need? Neh. Not really all that helpful. Just really interesting and fun reading is all.

 

[Ahabart]

Need? Neh. Not really all that helpful. Just really kinteresting and fun reading is all.

Thanks! Of course, I still may buy it...