Is anyone really excited about Avatar Land?

I liked the movie, but I'm not an Avatar fan boy.

Your box office argument was debunked. That was the only point I was making.

See you in some other thread.
 
Well yes. Not a big fan of movie but did Dine with an Imagineer at Hollywood Brown Derby and got one of the imagineers involved. I think there the attractions will be interesting and well themed. Don't have much detail. Remember that one was thrill ride not suitable for me physically but another was appropriate for everyone. This same imagineer worked on designing AKL and the Disney Fantasy which makes me very optimistic. I'm going to give it a go even though AK is not a favorite for me.

BTW, Peter Pan is my current favorite ride but can't stick the movie
 
I am generally optimistic about it, because whether there was ever a movie or not, it will be visually stunning. It's Disney. Like another commenter said, it's success will depend on execution and quality of attractions. Chances are, it will be spectacular.

However, if I were basing my excitement level solely on my perceptions of the movie, it would be this: Despite THREE upcoming sequels (according to IMDB), the movie seemed like a one-hit wonder that, except for a small cult following, has otherwise vanished from the collective cultural consciousness. It has already proven it doesn't have the large-scale staying power of Star Wars, so I hope Avatarland doesn't become the next Captain EO. That's bad enough for one attraction and would be really unfortunate for an entire land. Looking at the timing of the sequels, it appears they intentionally coincide with the opening of Avatarland, which I'm sure will give it a boost, but also looks kind of desperate. ("Oh yeah, remember that movie? Here's 3 more, plus its own land at WDW.")

Even though it was a big hit, I don't put much stock in "highest grossing" movie of all time, because those lists rarely account for adjustments in dollar value over time, and the fact that movie ticket prices automatically go up every year (just like Disney ticket prices). It's a given, because every summer blockbuster HAS to be "bigger" than the year before. That being said, I'm sure Avatar is still up there.
 
I'm still not clear on what box office adjusted for inflation really means in this context anyway. Avatar is at number 14 which isn't exactly awful. Frozen is at 103.

My excitement is because it will be new and I know that Cameron is very picky and precise so it's bound to be nice. That's enough.
 

I really like the movie and am quite excited for Avatar Land. AK really needs the boost anyway and the theme fits in. I think it'll be great!
 
Can't wait for Avatarland to open! I am most excited for the night time entertainment. Animal Kingdom has been needing a big change for awhile now. Avatarland is a perfect fit in my opinion
 
It has already proven it doesn't have the large-scale staying power of Star Wars, so I hope Avatarland doesn't become the next Captain EO.
What does this mean? How can a franchise that has not yet released its first sequel "prove" that it has no staying power? If the first sequel brings in $1.5B, wouldn't you have to retract that statement? If the attractions at WDW become the hardest FPs to get, doesn't that statement become false? It is very clear that Disney fan boys and fan girls who post here are not the same crowd who post on Avatar chat boards. But that in no way "proves" that the Avatar franchise has lost its staying power. Now, if the first sequel flops, then one can proclaim that the franchise is dead. Remember that almost 2 decades elapsed between the third and fourth Star Wars movie. And 14 years elapsed in between the third and fourth Jurassic Park movies. But the fans came back. The gap in time between 2009 and 2017 pales in comparison. We simply aren't at the point yet where we can drive a stake through the heart of this franchise.

Even though it was a big hit, I don't put much stock in "highest grossing" movie of all time, because those lists rarely account for adjustments in dollar value over time, and the fact that movie ticket prices automatically go up every year (just like Disney ticket prices). It's a given, because every summer blockbuster HAS to be "bigger" than the year before. That being said, I'm sure Avatar is still up there.
No matter how it is sliced or spun, Avatar is #1 in actual worldwide revenue and #2 in adjusted worldwide revenue behind Gone With The Wind, but only after taking into account many theatrical re-releases which Avatar cannot replicate. (Though I would not be surprised to see a re-release prior to the sequel.)

I'm still not clear on what box office adjusted for inflation really means in this context anyway. Avatar is at number 14 which isn't exactly awful. Frozen is at 103.
As noted above, the number 14 is domestic only which in a global economy, is meaningless. There is no metric that can be used that places Avatar any lower than #2 in terms of worldwide success.
 
I think the major issue with this will be that Avatar doesn't have anywhere near the cultural cache that Star Wars, original Disney movies, Harry Potter, and other movies do. It sort of flared up in popularity then people lost interest. That being said, I'm sure it will be beautiful and well executed, but I think that Disney will really have to open the world up more to make it appealing to those of us that felt very underwhelmed by the movie. AK needs something to boost its popularity and I'm sure this will help. I just can't say I was sucked into the universe of Avatar and am clamoring to revisit it.

Personally, I wish they had expanded on the idea of mythical creatures. US IOA sort of had that idea going but didn't do it well. I'm sure Disney could have figured out a way to really engage people in a more "generically" themed park area. Anymore it seems that each ride or land has to be tied to a movie or franchise.
 
If Avatar Land is even 1/100th as amazing as the Pandora of the movie, it will be a monster success. Don't need to be a giant fan of the film to take in the breathtaking scenery. I am way more excited for this than I was for 7DMT. Finally a reason to go to AK!
 
Once again, I'd like to point out that it's really about the sequels more than the original. The original's success is what will give the sequels a huge boost as a franchise. But having the sequels hitting theatres at about the same time that the land is opened, that's what will (likely) help make this new land a home run for Disney.
 
It's true that most new Disney rides are based on movies, but ALL new Universal rides are also movie themed. Why does Disney get flack for that, but not Universal? I know historically, Disney used to create more original rides. But what's stopping Universal from doing the same?

Fact is, Universal wants to create the same kind of synergy that Disney loves. The theme parks promote the movies, and vice versa. The only difference is that we don't expect anything else from Universal.
 
I am very excited. The nighttime atmosphere of AK is unmatched. Add bio-luminescent effects into the mix and it's going to be incredible. The rides will be an even bigger bonus on top of that. People relating this to the success of the movie need to wake up. Although I didn't mind the movie, it's irrelevant in terms of how great Avatarland will be.
 
No one has to love Arrowsmith to love Rock N Roller Coaster, nor do they have to love Twilight Zone to love Tower of Terror, nor do they have to love Pirates of the Carribean (movie) in order to love PoC (ride), nor do they have to love whatever movie Splash Mountain is based on in order to love the ride, etc, etc, etc. Sometimes, the movie makes the ride, but a lot of times, the ride makes the movie.
 
I never saw the movie so I really have no vested interest but I wouldn't mind experiencing a new thing.

Though I may also let my mind wander with the conspiracies now....
The conspiracy theorist in me has never believed that Avatarland is real and that it is a cover for something better. I guess that tells you what I think about the idea. :D
 
I could take or leave Avatarland. I wasn't a big fan of the film, but am interested in Disney's take on the concept. I'm sure it will be visually stunning/appealing (it's Disney, after all). The one thing that concerns me is if there are face characters, then they'll most likely be terrifying.
 
Once again, I'd like to point out that it's really about the sequels more than the original. The original's success is what will give the sequels a huge boost as a franchise. But having the sequels hitting theatres at about the same time that the land is opened, that's what will (likely) help make this new land a home run for Disney.
Odd how people don't get this. The original Star Wars movie, worldwide and adjusted for inflation, earned $3.04 billion, almost dollar for dollar what Avatar's number is, ($3.09 billion). The second Star Wars movie (Empire Strikes Back) made $1.5 billion worldwide, adjusted for inflation. That is half of the original. By the time Attack of the Clones came out, the number dropped to $857 million worldwide, adjusted for inflation, or, less than one-third of the original. Yet no one here seems to want to suggest that the Star Wars franchise is outdated, forgotten, obsolete or stale. All words that have been used to describe Avatar in this thread. Indeed, people are all giddy about the prospect of DHS becoming Disney's Alderaan Adventure. Or Disney's Tatooine Adventure. But if the second Avatar movie makes the same "adjusted for inflation" box office numbers as Empire Strikes Back, ($1.5 billion), shouldn't we concede that the franchise is every bit as alive as Star Wars? And isn't it possible that Disney, Joe Rohde and James Cameron will knock our socks off? HOw many times have Disney defenders said that "Disney knows what it's doing" when defending things like New Fantasyland, or FP+, or the Dining Plan, or any one of a number of decisions it makes. They point to profit statements and attendance figures to show us how Disney has this all figured out. So why all of a sudden when it comes to Avatar are some of these same people suggesting that Disney is making a huge mistake?
 
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Do I love that there is a new land in AK? ABSOLUTELY? It needs it.

Do I love that it's based on Avatar? No. Avatare was a technological marval, with a so-so plot. I struggle to find that cohesive fit with Disney parks.

Regardless, I'm hoping for some great rides and attractions.

Dan
 
What does this mean? How can a franchise that has not yet released its first sequel "prove" that it has no staying power? If the first sequel brings in $1.5B, wouldn't you have to retract that statement? If the attractions at WDW become the hardest FPs to get, doesn't that statement become false? It is very clear that Disney fan boys and fan girls who post here are not the same crowd who post on Avatar chat boards. But that in no way "proves" that the Avatar franchise has lost its staying power. Now, if the first sequel flops, then one can proclaim that the franchise is dead. Remember that almost 2 decades elapsed between the third and fourth Star Wars movie. And 14 years elapsed in between the third and fourth Jurassic Park movies. But the fans came back. The gap in time between 2009 and 2017 pales in comparison. We simply aren't at the point yet where we can drive a stake through the heart of this franchise.


No matter how it is sliced or spun, Avatar is #1 in actual worldwide revenue and #2 in adjusted worldwide revenue behind Gone With The Wind, but only after taking into account many theatrical re-releases which Avatar cannot replicate. (Though I would not be surprised to see a re-release prior to the sequel.)


As noted above, the number 14 is domestic only which in a global economy, is meaningless. There is no metric that can be used that places Avatar any lower than #2 in terms of worldwide success.

Good Lord, maybe I used poor word choice, but I'm not going to write a masters thesis explaining my individual opinion.
 
Honestly, I'm not that psyched for it. I never saw the movie, nor do I care to see it. I'm still bitter thay got rid of the Jammin' Jungle Parade (shaking my angry fist). I'm looking forward to the Rivers of Light more than Avatar.
 
Good Lord, maybe I used poor word choice, but I'm not going to write a masters thesis explaining my individual opinion.
No need for a master's thesis, but a simple explanation of what you meant when you said that Avatar has lost its "staying power" would suffice. I'm certain that you must have had something in mind when you posted that. If the answer is: "I believe that Avatar has lost its staying power because I don't think people will be interested in the sequel and it won't break $300 million at the box office", that is fine. It might be a dubious prediction, but certainly one you are entitled to.
 

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