Is anyone on the Dream right now? How did a girl fall overboard?

I'm not going to argue with you about it, but I was responding to the statements that she put the daughter on the railings multiple times. That was shown to be inaccurate. That is all.

Which is NOT what I said when you were quoting me. The report that the link says the mother "elaborated that while on the cruise of previous days, had taken numerous pictures in several other portholes/ windows on the ship. She provided me with a picture of laying in a porthole with a window on it." The report also says that the mother DID encourage her to get on the rail in the porthole that was open.
 
I don't see where it's been proven inaccurate, but I am not going to argue with you
The police report stated that the mother took pictures around the ship with her daughter in various portholes. She did not put her on railings like the NYP article stated. I don't know how to clarify it anymore simply???
 
Which is NOT what I said when you were quoting me. The report that the link says the mother "elaborated that while on the cruise of previous days, had taken numerous pictures in several other portholes/ windows on the ship. She provided me with a picture of laying in a porthole with a window on it." The report also says that the mother DID encourage her to get on the rail in the porthole that was open.
And the mother said she did not know it was open.
 

And the mother said she did not know it was open.
I think the mother is either in serious denial (due to the shame and trauma), has a lawyer telling her exactly what to say, or is extremely clueless to a dangerous degree. There is no way a rational person walking on deck 4 cannot tell that there is no glass above the rail.
 
I think the mother is either in serious denial (due to the shame and trauma), has a lawyer telling her exactly what to say, or is extremely clueless to a dangerous degree. There is no way a rational person walking on deck 4 cannot tell that there is no glass above the rail.
Exactly. And the area around it is clearly different than the inside portholes designed for people to sit in. At the very least, check before encouraging your kid to climb on up.
 
I think the mother is either in serious denial (due to the shame and trauma), has a lawyer telling her exactly what to say, or is extremely clueless to a dangerous degree. There is no way a rational person walking on deck 4 cannot tell that there is no glass above the rail.
I don't know if the mother would have had a lawyer already when she talked to the sheriff's office right after the cruise. It's possible, but I didn't see a lawyer mentioned in any of the articles. Shame, trauma, and cluelessness make sense.

One thing puzzling me is why it was even worth taking a picture from that porthole, especially if the mother had already taken photos of her daughter elsewhere looking out from the ship. There is no decoration there to indicate Disney, or even a cruise ship -- it's just an open window with water below.
 
I don't know if the mother would have had a lawyer already when she talked to the sheriff's office right after the cruise. It's possible, but I didn't see a lawyer mentioned in any of the articles. Shame, trauma, and cluelessness make sense.

One thing puzzling me is why it was even worth taking a picture from that porthole, especially if the mother had already taken photos of her daughter elsewhere looking out from the ship. There is no decoration there to indicate Disney, or even a cruise ship -- it's just an open window with water below.
I would never answer any police questions about an incident of this level without speaking to a lawyer. Heck I would not suggest even answering even basic question by an officer for any incident (even traffic violations) and keeping it to "am I free to go?" unless I had legal representation.

(To be fair my DD23 is in grad school for criminal justice so I have been sent a lot of information about how things can be twisted :scared:. She sends me any studies or articles she finds interesting and most of them keep me up at night :scared1:)
 
I would never answer any police questions about an incident of this level without speaking to a lawyer. Heck I would not suggest even answering even basic question by an officer for any incident (even traffic violations) and keeping it to "am I free to go?" unless I had legal representation.
And... it's possible their cooperation from the start was considered in the decision not to press charges.
 
I thought the police recommended charges but the prosecutor decided not to proceed? The police recommended charges of child neglect.
Yes the police recommended charges and yes the prosecutor declined. Neither of those facts negates that cooperation with an investigation often may impact what charges, or if any charges, are brought.
 
Yes the police recommended charges and yes the prosecutor declined. Neither of those facts negates that cooperation with an investigation often may impact what charges, or if any charges, are brought.
I mean but also with that thought we could say that potentially cooperation with investigators is what lead the police to have enough evidence to recommend charges? We have no way to know which way helped/ hurt them in that regard.
 
I mean but also with that thought we could say that potentially cooperation with investigators is what lead the police to have enough evidence to recommend charges? We have no way to know which way helped/ hurt them in that regard.
In this specific situation, the investigators would have found the evidence with or without the family's cooperation -- they had video from the cruiseline which showed the incident. The family's input basically fleshed out the specifics. If anything, it's more likely that the family's input helped the prosecutor's decision not to press charges moreso than it impacted the police recommendation of charges.
 
In this specific situation, the investigators would have found the evidence with or without the family's cooperation -- they had video from the cruiseline which showed the incident. The family's input basically fleshed out the specifics. If anything, it's more likely that the family's input helped the prosecutor's decision not to press charges moreso than it impacted the police recommendation of charges.
I think the prosecutor's decision is more likely due to any backlash they might encounter or considerations for what is best for the victim. Both of our stances are fully speculative.

We don't know what angle DCL's camera's caught the fall (in fact video from DCL has not been mentioned at all). We just don't know why the prosecutor decided to not move forward. We can both guess but for myself, after seeing numerous articles and studies, I would always make sure I have representation when speaking to the police. Others can do what they believe is best for them.
 
(in fact video from DCL has not been mentioned at all)
From the official incident report:
Security Officer Howard provided a thumb drive containing video footage of the incident. The video was submitted to BSO Evidence
And:
Deputy Argenti again affirmedthe aforementioned information and provided me with security camera footage on a flash drive, which was given to himby the ship`s security staff. The security camera footage captured the incident in its entirety, excluding the at sea rescue.The flash drive footage was uploaded into evidence.


Yes, we're both speculating. I was only pointing out that NOT answering initial questions or further cooperating with an investigation doesn't necessarily protect one from prosecution and may in fact help.
 
From the official incident report:
Security Officer Howard provided a thumb drive containing video footage of the incident. The video was submitted to BSO Evidence
And:
Deputy Argenti again affirmedthe aforementioned information and provided me with security camera footage on a flash drive, which was given to himby the ship`s security staff. The security camera footage captured the incident in its entirety, excluding the at sea rescue.The flash drive footage was uploaded into evidence.


Yes, we're both speculating. I was only pointing out that NOT answering initial questions or further cooperating with an investigation doesn't necessarily protect one from prosecution and may in fact help.
I get it but sadly studies show otherwise in the majority of cases. We can agree to disagree with how we would choose to handle a police investigation and thats ok :flower3:

ETA- Thanks for the info about the thumb drive. I don't know how I missed that. Apologies.
 
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I am willing to bet she retained counsel. She is playing dumb (I didn't realize there wasn't plexi-glass there), but she is not dumb.
 
I am willing to bet she retained counsel. She is playing dumb (I didn't realize there wasn't plexi-glass there), but she is not dumb.
Everyone should retain counsel when being investigated for a potential crime. This is a fundamental right (at least in the US). There's a reason the SCOTUS ruled police have to advise you of that right, and exercising it is not an admission of guilt.
 



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