Is anyone on the Dream right now? How did a girl fall overboard?

[lanejudy]

and that quote is why I'm surprised charges were not filed

Prosecutors decide not to charge for many reasons. I guess the main question is -- to what end? What would be the goal of criminal prosecution of the mom, other than to put that family through heck? There could still be civil charges to recoup expenses and I wouldn't be surprised if DCL has banned them.

 

[Deb]

Prosecutors decide not to charge for many reasons. I guess the main question is -- to what end? What would be the goal of criminal prosecution of the mom, other than to put that family through heck? There could still be civil charges to recoup expenses and I wouldn't be surprised if DCL has banned them.

to punish the person responsible?

 

[lanejudy]

to punish the person responsible?

I understand that. However on the flip side it also punishes the victim as well, because the person responsible is the girl's mother. I don't see anyone "gaining" anything from dragging her through criminal charges, and the damages to the child would be worse.

 

[Deb]

I understand that. However on the flip side it also punishes the victim as well, because the person responsible is the girl's mother. I don't see anyone "gaining" anything from dragging her through criminal charges, and the damages to the child would be worse.

I'm sorry. I just don't buy into parents should scott free when they make their children their victims.

 

[meliscan]

I understand that. However on the flip side it also punishes the victim as well, because the person responsible is the girl's mother. I don't see anyone "gaining" anything from dragging her through criminal charges, and the damages to the child would be worse.

They could go after the family for the money that it cost to rescue the child and father. I am not sure if they could really calculate that since they used resources already on the ship. I am thinking of the case in AL where the woman falsely claimed she was kidnapped and she had to "pay back" the city for the resources expended.

 

[ruadisneyfan2]

I'm sad for that poor girl to have truly an idiot for a mother.
I wonder if the girl is going to doubt her mother's advice and suggestions. The mom will wonder why she won't cooperate.
It's all so unnecessary.

 

[happycamper47]

Turns out, it was the Mom's fault...


https://nypost.com/2025/10/20/us-ne...er-mom-told-her-to-pose-in-front-of-porthole/

What is the most aggravating part of this story is how the parents and Media tried to place blame on DISNEY at the beginning. "Playing shuffleboard"....yea right!

 

[MyDogTink]

Prosecutors take on cases they can win.

 

[Deb]

Prosecutors take on cases they can win.

and kind of world do we live in when they can't win if she admitted to encouraging her child to climb up there as sit on railings prior to that moment? She might as well have said she told the 5 year old to go play in traffic

 

[MyDogTink]

and kind of world do we live in when they can't win if she admitted to encouraging her child to climb up there as sit on railings prior to that moment? She might as well have said she told the 5 year old to go play in traffic

I heard a commercial today to the effect that our grandparents didn’t use their typewriter in the car so we should be putting down our cell phones. So much of this should be common sense. I chaperoned my daughter’s 1st grade dance. I watched as the other chaperones took photos and videos of the happy kids to post on IG. I stayed back to deal with the kids crying because the music was too loud, kids who were beating each other up and kids still hungry. I’m one of the older mothers and wondered where the common sense is.

ETA I am not perfect but tend to think of what can go wrong.

 

[DCLMP]

to punish the person responsible?

You are also punishing the child and possibly bankrupting the family with legal fees. She may have already lost everything for all we know. Were not privy to their personal lives.

 

[DCLMP]

What is the most aggravating part of this story is how the parents and Media tried to place blame on DISNEY at the beginning. "Playing shuffleboard"....yea right!

Was that the parents? There were a lot of conflicting stories from eye witnesses. I don't recall the parents ever making a statement or talking to the media.

 

[DCLMP]

Prosecutors decide not to charge for many reasons. I guess the main question is -- to what end? What would be the goal of criminal prosecution of the mom, other than to put that family through heck? There could still be civil charges to recoup expenses and I wouldn't be surprised if DCL has banned them.

We have a lot of drownings in my state. The parents aren't usually charged. Sometimes they are, but it really depends on the circumstances. In most cases losing a child is punishment enough.

 

[Deb]

You are also punishing the child and possibly bankrupting the family with legal fees. She may have already lost everything for all we know. Were not privy to their personal lives.

you are assuming she doesn't make horrible decisions like that all time. Like she did multiple times on the ship. But sure, parents get a free pass, we'll only prosecute childless people from now on.

 

[dreamer17555]

I understand the idea of not wanting to traumatize the child further and not feeling it is a case they can "win" (to what end) but I do wish DCL would come out and ban the mother for a period of 5 years as well as a fine. There has to be some consequence to endangering your child on the ship (apparently multiple times).

No parent is perfect. I am not perfect but sometimes mistakes or poor judgement comes with consequences. We cannot expect our children to grow into adults who take accountability for their actions if we are not modeling that by accepting negative repercussions when we mess up.

There is a current viral video of teens on a Royal ship dangling off balconies as they cross from one to another. My opinion is that the parents should be banned from sailing for 5 years. Teens and kids do risky behavior, I get that, but parents need to understand they are responsible for them and need to watch them or deal with the consequences if they participate in dangerous stunts like that.

Parents in both of these situations are fully responsible for their minors.

I also believe the cruise industry needs their own version of the no fly list. A No Sail list that keeps you not off one line but all the cruise lines if you are banned. No hopping from cruise line to cruise line when bad behavior or judgement gets you kicked off of one.

ETA: Link to where you can see the video of the teens on Royal- https://www.cruisehive.com/teenagers-caught-climbing-cruise-ship-balcony-in-shocking-video/189296

 

[DCLMP]

you are assuming she doesn't make horrible decisions like that all time. Like she did multiple times on the ship. But sure, parents get a free pass, we'll only prosecute childless people from now on.

I'm not assuming one way or the other. I don't know the women......that's why we have prosecutors to determine if someone needs to be prosecuted and not the keyboard jurors on social media.

 

[TFM1980]

Thoughts:

1) The mom was probably criminally negligent based on the facts alleged but prosecutors aren't going to charge because this is a total loser of a case for them. First, this case is so emotionally publicized with the hero dad story that they will look really bad filing charges. Second, it will find it difficult to find a jury willing to convict (all you need is a single sympathetic juror who supports the parents or doesnt want to make the little girl endure more trauma). Third, beyond a reasonable doubt will be hard to prove here. The mom will have a narrative about why she thought it was okay because she thought there were safety redundancies or some cast member gave her reason to believe it was okay, and it will be hard to prove her guilt.

2) Disney probably will not risk banning them outright. But, will probably reach a settlement where they pay for the family's silence and have them agree not to return. The media attention has been huge, and Disney will get hammered even if they are right here. Clickbait headlines write themselves "Disney bans hero dad, mom says safeguards inadequate." Even if only 20% side against Disney, the harms are huge to Disney's brand here.

 

[Moonspinner]

What if a CM had put her up there to take a photo? Would the CM suffer the consequences? Of course. Why should a parent be different? Not all parents love their children. Some harbor deep resentment towards their children. If a parent willfully puts a child in harms way, of course the parent should be prosecuted.

But we don’t just prosecute people to punish them. We also prosecute to deter others from engaging in the same behavior.