Is Al Gore the Anti-Christ?

[NewJersey]

According to an article in the Tennessee paper, Vice President Gore is practicing what he preaches even though conservatives may be unable to understand the concept. http://www.thetennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070227/NEWS01/702270382

I'm glad to see they are making some changes!

 

[poohandwendy]

For God's sake PAW, will you PLEASE get with the program????? So long as we purchase carbon offsets, we can use as much as we want to!!!

Some people's kids...

Well, sign me up cause I like my lifestyle just the way it is. But, in the same token, I want to be seen in that environmentally conscious cloak. It goes great with my eyes.

 

[KikiFan]

LOL, let me get this straight. Are you saying that overall consumption means nothing, as long as your heart is in the right place and you are 'trying' to impact the environment less? That's new science.

So, when Al Gore throws out all these scary stats with BIG numbers of human consumption affecting the environment, it's not really about how much we consume individually. It's that we should not consume more than is 'convenient' to our lifestyle?

Ok, gotcha. That works best for me anyways.

What I'm saying is that those stats are misleading. They are comparing his usage to the usage of American's living in an average size home. That's comparing apples to oranges. A more accurate comparison would be his usage to that of people living in the same size home. The would give a more accurate picture of whether he is conserving or not. And if he's not, I'll be right in line to condem him for hypocrisy.

Certainly an argument can be made that he should be living in a smaller house. But we don't know the reasons behind his choice of a house. Is his home also being used as an office? does he also house security personal? How many employees are there working for him daily? Is the home a family home?

There are some people chosing to downsize their life in order to conserve energy. But that's not possible for everyone. There are a lot of reason's why a person justifiably needs the larger space. The important thing is that the be as conservative as possible in that space. By all appearances, Gore is doing the things he asks of others. He's using alternative power where he can, he's using floresent light bulbs, and he'd purchasing offsets for the rest.
What is important is that everyone make the cuts they can. If everyone reduces their foot print by 25% it will make a huge difference.

 

[BuckNaked]

and he'd purchasing offsets for the rest.

This is not aimed at you KikiFan, just a comment on this comment.

I'm going to start a new drinking game, and we have to take a shot every time someone suggests buying carbon offsets.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

You are kidding. There are some good studies that show that conservatives have a mental condition that cause them to look at things in terms of black and white. Most conservatives have trouble with complex concepts because they only see things in terms of black and white. In other words, many conservatives are conservatives because they can only see things in terms of black and white while non-conservatives can deal with and understand complex concepts that are not easily stated in black and white terms.

Honestly, that's one of the most sanctimonious and condescending posts ever. I know its a frustrating day for you, but still....

 

[BuckNaked]

There are a lot of reason's why a person justifiably needs the larger space.

This I do take issue with - why should ANYONE have to justify the size of their home to anyone else? (Not aimed at you, it's just that I'm seeing this tripe more and more often)

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I think he [Gore] has done a huge disservice for his cause if the reports of his energy usage is correct. Carbon offsets don't mean squat. Energy consumption and the environment is something we absolutely need awareness of and we need to work on. Having a mansion and spending more on electricity and gas than most people make in a month doesn't exactly inspire others to conserve.

Whew! Now that right there is some common ground I will gladly stand on. Well said!

 

[rockbottomsound]

Your argument is utterly ridiculous. They are measuring his usage against the average household. I'm pretty sure that the average household isn't living in a twenty room mansion. The real debate would be to measure his usage against those living in a similar sized dwelling. Just because someone is striving to be enviromentally conscious doesn't mean they have to downsize themselves into a shack. It means making your lifestyle as enviromentally friendly as possible, to cut corners wherever possible. The fact is, most people can make huge differences in their output without signifigantly depreciating their lifestyle.

But the point is he is not even doing that. Not even the minimum. The Doc now reports that the Gore's are "planning" on installing "some" solar panels on their extravagent mansion. The key word being "planning" on. What a joke. This technology has been around for decades. Even the known conservative Clint EAstwood uses solar panels. The fact that he is not already using it and hasn't been for years shows what a pure and true hypocrite he is. Only now that the spotlight is glaring on his quote unquote "environmentalist activism" is he now going to buy "some" solar panels, or sorry, "planning" on "maybe" "one day" "when I feel like it" "in the distant unknown future install some solar panels."

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

I'm going to start a new drinking game, and we have to take a shot every time someone suggests buying carbon offsets.

You'll be plastered within 30 minutes!

 

[KikiFan]

But the point is he is not even doing that. Not even the minimum. The Doc now reports that the Gore's are "planning" on installing "some" solar panels on their extravagent mansion. The key word being "planning" on. What a joke. This technology has been around for decades. Even the known conservative Clint EAstwood uses solar panels. The fact that he is not already using it and hasn't been for years shows what a pure and true hypocrite he is. Only now that the spotlight is glaring on his quote unquote "environmentalist activism" is he now going to buy "some" solar panels, or sorry, "planning" on "maybe" "one day" "when I feel like it" "in the distant unknown future install some solar panels."

You don't know that he's not doing the minimum; because no one is comparing his usage to a home of equal size.

Even without the solar panels, there are still a lot of things that can be done to conserve. And one correction - he's in the process of installing them, not "planning to". Why hasn't he already had them? I don't know, but no one is even considering that there may be a logical explanation. How long have they lived in this house? Is it possible to install them into every existing house? Or is substancial remodeling necessary? Are there security issues to be considered? who knows. But solar panels don't qualify as the "bare minimum" The majority of homes don't have them, but they still manage to decrease their emmissions.

 

[Galahad]

The human body is 19.37% carbon. My shoe size is 9. Therefore, my carbon footprint is approximately 6.39 sq. inches. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[Zippa D Doodah]

The human body is 19.37% carbon. My shoe size is 9. Therefore, my carbon footprint is approximately 6.39 sq. inches. Seems reasonable to me.

I wear a size 14. Guess that means I have a much larger carbon footprint.

 

[Galahad]

I wear a size 14. Guess that means I have a much larger carbon footprint.

Good point. I'm 5'9" and weigh 150#. DW is 5'3" and weighs 95#. We HAVE to use a lot few resources that VP Gore does. I'm sure he has bigger feet too.

 

[Charade]

You are kidding. There are some good studies that show that conservatives have a mental condition that cause them to look at things in terms of black and white. Most conservatives have trouble with complex concepts because they only see things in terms of black and white. In other words, many conservatives are conservatives because they can only see things in terms of black and white while non-conservatives can deal with and understand complex concepts that are not easily stated in black and white terms.

mental condition???

Give me a freakin' break.

 

[Charade]

Ahh cool!! It's been awhile since we've had the "conservatives have a mental disability" argument!!

Ah, an oldie but goodie. I remember that on the now defunct DB. Ironically, the magazine Phsyco's Today recently published a similar article.

 

[Charade]

Drop the man-crush on Former VP Gore

HOLY COW!!!

 

[Charade]

The human body is 19.37% carbon. My shoe size is 9. Therefore, my carbon footprint is approximately 6.39 sq. inches. Seems reasonable to me.

 

[reeeoga]

HOLY COW!!!

That is a strangle appropriate response considering the title of the thread.

 

[Disney Doll]

Because I listen to those guys as well, and what I read on these boards from a lot of people just sounds so much like an echo from what I've heard that week on the conservative radio programs. It seems like you could go down the list and check off all of those conservative talk show talking points and so many people even use the same verbage. And likewise, the Doctor seems to echo the progressive radio programs.

I can pick a few things that I agree with Hannity on, as well as O'Reilly, and also Sam Sedar and (God forbid!) Randi Rhodes. I just feel like there is a real derth of well rounded thinkers on this board. I think folks are intelligent but they want to get their ideas spoon fed to them and to box themselves in by saying "I'm conservative, you are a liberal" because it all seems so neat and tidy to live that way, I guess. I guess I run in circles who think like I do - not in black and white - and I'm not used to it so what I read on these boards just really shocks me.

And one could say the same thing if one listened to the more liberal newscasts...suddenly, what the more liberal folks said on the radio becomes Gospel too.

FTR, I do not think Al Gore is the anti-Christ. He's just another politician...no better or worse than any other politician.

 

[LuvDuke]

HOLY COW!!!

Is Al Gore replacing Ted Kennedy in your affections?