Is Al Gore the Anti-Christ?

[JPN4265]

I see a lot of dishing on Al Gore especially now that his film has won an Oscar. I have to express my disbelief that the members of this board do not have a better cause to grind their ax against, so to speak.

I firmly believe that most americans respect Gore for doing what he does, and they don't expect him to walk everywhere or cook his dinner by fire and eat it by candle light.

I believe most Americans are more preoccupied with the death and destruction that our current president is creating than whether or not Gore is cutting his energy consumption down to levels to satisfactory level, whatever that may be. I mean, I don't get it. Gore is not the one creating wars and sending Americans to die. Yet, people on this board are treating him like the anti-christ himself. Who has he killed? What families has he taken a hand in tearing apart with war? Okay, forget about politicians. Can't you think of people more worthy of your hate, even if we imagine that he is a bit hypocritical on the energy conservation issue (I have no idea, so I won't accuse him). What about truly evil people, like pedophiles, or people who kill their own children? Why not crusade against them?

Misdirected negative energy if I ever saw it. Is it because Hannity and Rush tell you who to hate and he is the flavor of the month? It seems like that's the case.

Based on the popularity of the documentary alone, I don't believe that the disboard members are a good represntation of most of America. It seems to me that the disboard is a neo-conservative Web community not in line with the moderate beliefs that most Americans have.

You seem to be the misguided one. You want to believe everything that Al Gore shoves down your throat! Just for your own information and some much needed truth you might want to read the report from The Tennessee Center for Policy Research. This is an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy soulutions. They issured a report on Monday 2/26/07 concerning Al Gore and his hypocrisy concerning his stance on the environment. Gore lives in a 20-room, 8 bathroom mansion in the Belle Meade area of Nashville, he consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service.

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve enegy by reducing electricicity consumption at home.

The aveage household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours more than 20 times the national average. And this is your hero? Give me a break!

Gore is only in it for himself, he only cares about the environment if it doesn't involve sacrifies on his part or his family.

As to your remarks about the President and the war we are currently involved in, thank God you are not in control. You can whine and ***** all you want, its the American way, but as long as we have people who will stand up against public polls to do what is right, then this country will make it. It you and your liberal thinking group ever get control of the country we are in for a very bloody period in our history. Just remember, it was Jimmy Carter who was responsible for starting this war, when he refused to stand up to the Islamic terrioist years ago..

 

[Charade]

Vice President Gore is being swiftboated by some right wingers tied to EXXON and the American Enterprise Institute.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson-and-james-boyce/a-far-too-convenient-mea_b_42171.htmlThe fact that drudge is pushing this attack should be enough to put everyone on notice that the attack has to be wrong. Again, drudge is never right on real issues and this appears to be no exception.

Doc, is it a fact that Al Gore has a huge mansion in Tennesse that consumes huge amounts of natural resources or not?

Everything you've stated in defense of Gore is really just an attack on his detractors. You've not yet disproved any of their claims. It seems you just like to shoot the messenger(s).

 

[MassJester]

Because I listen to those guys as well, and what I read on these boards from a lot of people just sounds so much like an echo from what I've heard that week on the conservative radio programs. It seems like you could go down the list and check off all of those conservative talk show talking points and so many people even use the same verbage. And likewise, the Doctor seems to echo the progressive radio programs.

I can pick a few things that I agree with Hannity on, as well as O'Reilly, and also Sam Sedar and (God forbid!) Randi Rhodes. I just feel like there is a real derth of well rounded thinkers on this board. I think folks are intelligent but they want to get their ideas spoon fed to them and to box themselves in by saying "I'm conservative, you are a liberal" because it all seems so neat and tidy to live that way, I guess. I guess I run in circles who think like I do - not in black and white - and I'm not used to it so what I read on these boards just really shocks me.

I think that's unfair, and assumes facts not in evidence.

A person's belief structure is a complex composition, and absent a very clear indication to the contrary, it's safe to assume that people here (as anywhere) come to their conclusions after many years and many different influencers.

The mere fact that you might here a point of view similarly expressed on Fox News doesn't mean an expression of that point of view here is mindless repetition.

 

[meandtheguys2]

I am not sure I understand your point. People discuss the war, people discuss Al Gore...we discuss pedophiles and people who kill their own children. Sheesh, we discuss what types of condiments are in our work refrigerator and whether britney Spears will make it through this round of rehab. That certainly does not mean we don't think there are more important issues in the world.

Sorry you disagree with some people here, but the fact that many disagree with you does not mean they are being spoonfed.

Btw, I didn't know AG won an oscar for his movie. I rarely watch TV and I don't listen to Rush and cannot tell you the last time I heard Hannity speak. Possibly a few months ago while switching channels on my radio.

I don't respect AG for his 'documentary', I don't hate him or think he is the antichrist. I disagree with much of the theories regarding global warming. My opinion, I don't have to line up my beliefs with anyone. As a matter of fact, it's pretty rare that I follow a specific 'group' wholeheartedly.

I respect your right to your opinion, but you sure are painting with a whole lot of black and white regarding other peoples views.

Amen.

 

[Mugg Mann]

You seem to be the misguided one. You want to believe everything that Al Gore shoves down your throat! Just for your own information and some much needed truth you might want to read the report from The Tennessee Center for Policy Research. This is an independent, nonprofit and nonpartisan research organization committed to achieving a freer, more prosperous Tennessee through free market policy soulutions. They issured a report on Monday 2/26/07 concerning Al Gore and his hypocrisy concerning his stance on the environment. Gore lives in a 20-room, 8 bathroom mansion in the Belle Meade area of Nashville, he consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service.

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve enegy by reducing electricicity consumption at home.

The aveage household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kilowatt-hours more than 20 times the national average. And this is your hero? Give me a break!

Gore is only in it for himself, he only cares about the environment if it doesn't involve sacrifies on his part or his family.

As to your remarks about the President and the war we are currently involved in, thank God you are not in control. You can whine and ***** all you want, its the American way, but as long as we have people who will stand up against public polls to do what is right, then this country will make it. It you and your liberal thinking group ever get control of the country we are in for a very bloody period in our history. Just remember, it was Jimmy Carter who was responsible for starting this war, when he refused to stand up to the Islamic terrioist years ago..

For a moment, let's ignore the fact that an Exxon-fronted group just happened to release a report the morning after the Oscars hoping to attract people like yourself who engage in character assassination instead of debate, or that you've conveniently left out the part about how those Islamic terrorists in Iraq were supplied by the Reagan administration.

JPN4265, I issued you a challenge back on the Fox comedy show thread, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't see it rather than run away from it. As a result, I'll reprint it here, and again, I await your response (in addition to a couple of pm's from others who also noted your failure to respond);

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1281619&page=7

"Originally Posted by JPN4265
It would be more serious if they took Coombs off the show. Be careful your liberalism is showing."

And I'm glad that it does. I thank you very much for that compliment, even if I am quite confident that you actually intended it as a derogatory comment.

I miss the days when a conservative was a noble figure who, while I may have disagreed with the political philosophy, was an integrity-filled individual who was consistent from issue to issue and did not smear opponents as the primary method of engaging in "debate" as the current generation does. And, in fairness, I am equally saddened that Democrats have not found a way to combat it without sinking to that level as well.

Speaking of truth, here's a summary of over 230 mistruths, smears and outright lies told by Hannity over the public airwaves. Please take the time to note that each documented incident comes with the actual soundbite or videoclip or transcript to show that it wasn't taken out of context along with a documented cite to show where Hannity is incorrect.

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topic...g=Sean+Hannity

My question to you, JPN, is this; are you a traditional conservative who failing to be able to factually rebut, say 5 of the over 230 documented examples provided above, are willing to denounce Hannity in the interest of integrity and fairness, or are you one of the current crop who have no problem smearing people as a substitute for facts?

I'll assume a non-answer to be indicative of the latter. I think asking you to be able to successfully rebut a mere 2.2% of the examples cited is not at all unreasonable.

If you can in fact produce verifiable cites proving that Hannity is correct, then I look forward to future debate with you. The question is, can you in fact do that, and if not, are you willing to admit it?

The ball is in your court.

 

[MassJester]

The second link didn't work for me.

 

[Charade]

For a moment, let's ignore the fact that an Exxon-fronted group just happened to release a report the morning after the Oscars hoping to attract people like yourself who engage in character assassination instead of debate,

Yes, let us. So what's there to debate? The claims of his massive power usage are true. It's not a matter that he can afford to buy carbon offsets, it's the fact that he uses that much power and natural resources in the first place and then runs around the world telling everyone to cut back on their energy use. I find that quite hypocritical. The average person can do only so much to minimize their "carbon footprint". It doesn't take a lot of money to make a small difference but it does take quite a bit to make a huge impact.

I suspect that many "well to do" and "well meaning" people will just buy "offsets" rather than actually reducing their consumption. I predict it will be a growth market (a profitable one) in the coming years.

 

[NewJersey]

As to your remarks about the President and the war we are currently involved in, thank God you are not in control. You can whine and ***** all you want, its the American way, but as long as we have people who will stand up against public polls to do what is right, then this country will make it. It you and your liberal thinking group ever get control of the country we are in for a very bloody period in our history. Just remember, it was Jimmy Carter who was responsible for starting this war, when he refused to stand up to the Islamic terrioist years ago..

I'm not sure what I have a bigger problem with this post; the fact that you make this war debate seem so trivial with your 'whine and *****' remark or the fact that you have truly believe we would be in a very bloody period if 'you and your liberal group ever took control of this country.'

And you wonder why political debates are such a turn off on this board.

 

[Gary M]

Big Al is typical of most politicians. "Do as I say, don't do as I do." He's as big hypocrite as there is.

 

[NewJersey]

Yes, let us. So what's there to debate? The claims of his massive power usage are true. It's not a matter that he can afford to buy carbon offsets, it's the fact that he uses that much power and natural resources in the first place and then runs around the world telling everyone to cut back on their energy use. I find that quite hypocritical. The average person can do only so much to minimize their "carbon footprint". It doesn't take a lot of money to make a small difference but it does take quite a bit to make a huge impact.

I suspect that many "well to do" and "well meaning" people will just buy "offsets" rather than actually reducing their consumption. I predict it will be a growth market (a profitable one) in the coming years.

I was really surprised when I read that article to tell you the truth. I really thought (and still do) Gore does care about making the american people aware of our impact on the environment. However, I would hope he has the wisdom to follow what he preaches and conserve energy like I do in my own.

It's like John Kerry in 2004 (I shudder at the thought of that man); he would be riding around in his 5 or so Suburban SUV's while giving speeches about conservation. It just seemed odd to me.

 

[Galahad]

I don't listen to Rush and I don't watch Hannity-to me both are blow hard conceited schmucks but I think the same about AL Gore. Guess I'm politically schizophrenic .

 

[Fitswimmer]

I was really surprised when I read that article to tell you the truth. I really thought (and still do) Gore does care about making the american people aware of our impact on the environment. However, I would hope he has the wisdom to follow what he preaches and conserve energy like I do in my own.

It's like John Kerry in 2004 (I shudder at the thought of that man); he would be riding around in his 5 or so Suburban SUV's while giving speeches about conservation. It just seemed odd to me.

I had no issue with Al Gore the Environmentalist. He's brought a lot of awareness to this issue. I had read in the NY Times about people buying carbon offsets and I thought it was kind of unfair. If this is true, and he's walking around asking all of us to conserve while he's using all the power he wants and just buying these offsets-then I think he's an elitist hypocrite. As LuvDuke would say, "That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it."

I respect your right to your opinion, but you sure are painting with a whole lot of black and white regarding other peoples views.

I also respect the OP's right, but I disagree with the sentiment. Reasonable people are allowed to come to different conclusions. Just because they don't come to the same conclusions you do, doesn't mean that they are simply parrotting what they hear on a radio show. I assume that everyone who posts on these debate type threads has done as much thinking about the subject as I have before they formed an opinion. Maybe they actually haven't, but I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[reeeoga]

Only an absolute idiot would have a problem with being a little greener. Come now folks... who here is that Idiot? I'd like the place to still have a little water and air fresh enough not to kill my great grandkids. Would ya mind cuttin' back just a tad?? Hey, Thanks! Oh. And Gore is no Anti Christ. No genius either.

Can I be the Idiot? ME! ME! Please?!

I agree with the above statement (not the ME! part).

And last I looked James Cameron was trying to be the Anit-Christ.

 

[Galahad]

He'd have to be a LOT more popular to be the Anti-Christ.

 

[meandtheguys2]

He'd have to be a LOT more popular to be the Anti-Christ.

LOL, that was my first thought, also!

 

[honeymom]

Al Gore is the Anti-Christ, because he threatens the GOP. IMHO, he would easily win an election for President. I know a lot of people who would like to see it.

As to whether he is an elitist hypocrite, I feel like we are listening to a scratched record. It seems that the GOP has gotten really good at smearing Dem candidates as elitist hypocrites. It is straight out of their playbook.

Whether he is a hypocrite because of the mansion. People's houses have gotten far too big. However, some people do need big houses. Has anybody asked him why his house is so big? Does he have offices and employ staff that use it (a la the White House)? Was it inherited? I guess I'd like to understand the need for a house that size before I condemn it. If he is using the house as a place of business as well and is keeping the energy consumption well below average for a place that size, I would in no way have a problem with it. If its just him and Tipper, rattling around in it, having a toast every night on how they've pulled the wool over our eyes, then, yes, I would question it.

 

[Mugg Mann]

The second link didn't work for me.

Hmmm....it works on the other post; perhaps it's the italics. Try this one;

http://mediamatters.org/issues_topics/search_results?qstring=sean hannity&sort=video&mm_video=1

 

[yeartolate]

Big Al is typical of most politicians. "Do as I say, don't do as I do." He's as big hypocrite as there is.

.......typical of many,particularly the "I am a uniter not a divider" individual who shall remain nameless, but his address is 1600 Pensylvania Ave.......

 

[BuckNaked]

Of course I don't believe he's the anti-Christ, I just don't like him. Never have, can't imagine that I ever will.

As for his energy usage, as far as I'm concerned, that's his business, not mine. Same with the size of his - it's irrelevant whether he "needs" a house that big or not. So long as he can pay for, it's his money, and as far as I'm concerned, he can spend it however he likes.

Does it come across as hypocritical? Sure, but he's a politician, so why is anyone surprised at that?

 

[rockbottomsound]

No. Al Gore is way too wooden and boring to be the Anti-Christ. The Anti-Christ will have a much better personality and will be a true environmentalist, not a pseudo-one that doesn't practice what he preaches.

I think the main problem that people have with Al Gore is his level of hypocrisy. His new found claim to fame is being an environmentalist when he doesn't even bother to use his vast wealth to incorporate such environmentally friendly technologies as solar power for his mansions, alternative fueled vehicles, etc., all of which are available to him, but he refuses to use due to his hypocrisy.