Is Al Gore the Anti-Christ?

[TheDoctor]

Here are some additional facts.

First, the right wing slime machine did not get their information from the ultility and so I wonder what they are basing this report on. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17369241/

But electric company spokeswoman Laurie Parker said the utility never got a request from the policy center and never provided them with any information.

Second, Vice President Gore's office has passed the following information on. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/21750/6965/394#c394

I just received a very nice thank you email from Vice President Gore's office in Nashville....

Vice President Gore's office also wanted everyone to know:

100 percent of the power the Gores use in their home (and in all their homes though I wouldn't bring this up) is green power.

Both the Vice President and Mrs Gore have home offices and conduct business at the house so obviously they use more power than someone who is just a homeowner

The Gores drive a hybrid, use compact fluorescents, et cetera

And the Gores live a carbon neutral life which means that for every ton of carbon they emit, they also purchase offsets.

James Cannon Boyce

 

[LuvDuke]

The human body is 19.37% carbon. My shoe size is 9. Therefore, my carbon footprint is approximately 6.39 sq. inches. Seems reasonable to me.

I was zipping through this thread and then I saw "6.39 inches". Whoa, what did we have here?

I gotta get new glasses.

 

[Charade]

Here are some additional facts.

Here's another one. The numbers are accurate.

 

[Charade]

I was zipping through this thread and then I saw "6.39 inches". Whoa, what did we have here?

I gotta get new glasses.

You do indeed. It was SQUARE inches.

 

[poohandwendy]

Here are some additional facts.

First, the right wing slime machine did not get their information from the ultility and so I wonder what they are basing this report on. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17369241/Second, Vice President Gore's office has passed the following information on. http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2007/2/26/21750/6965/394#c394

Wait, weren't you the one who quesioned the validity of Johns c&p email response to another issue not all that long ago? Or maybe that was someone else? Just struck me as funny.

Carry on

 

[Galahad]

I was zipping through this thread and then I saw "6.39 inches". Whoa, what did we have here?

I gotta get new glasses.

 

[Mugg Mann]

I was zipping through this thread and then I saw "6.39 inches". Whoa, what did we have here?

I gotta get new glasses.

6.39 inches was enough to arouse your curiousity?

LuvDuke, we're all friends here. Is everything okay at home?!?

 

[MiniGirl]

Wow, I didn't know he made a movie -- much less won an Oscar. Good for him. That's quite an accomplishment.

As far as him being the Anti-Christ, well, I doubt it. The Bible sems to imply that person would be dynamic and charismatic and adored and loved by the vast majority of people. I don't think Al Gore fits that picture.

 

[Crankyshank]

Plenty of people run businesses out of their home, have home offices, and yet manage to consume much less energy than the Gore's.
It seems like the middle class is doing more to reduce energy consumption at home than Al Gore because they can't afford a high energy bill.

 

[LuvDuke]

6.39 inches was enough to arouse your curiousity?

LuvDuke, we're all friends here. Is everything okay at home?!?

You're killing me today.

 

[BuckNaked]

You're killing me today.

Check your PMs.

 

[TheDoctor]

Here is some real (i.e. funny) satire from Andy Borowitz.

Supreme Court Gives Gore’s Oscar to Bush

Stunning Reversal for Former Veep

Just days after former Vice President Al Gore received an Academy Award for his global warming documentary “An Inconvenient Truth,” the United States Supreme Court handed Mr. Gore a stunning reversal, stripping him of his Oscar and awarding it to President George W. Bush instead.

For Mr. Gore, who basked in the adulation of his Hollywood audience Sunday night, the high court’s decision to give his Oscar to President Bush was a cruel twist of fate, to say the least.

But in a 5-4 decision handed down Tuesday morning, the justices made it clear that they had taken the unprecedented step of stripping Mr. Gore of his Oscar because President Bush deserved it more.

“It is true that Al Gore has done a lot of talking about global warming,” wrote Justice Antonin Scalia, writing for the majority. “But President Bush has actually helped create global warming.”

In another setback for the former vice president, a group of scientists meeting in Oslo, Norway today said that Mr. Gore was growing at an unsustainable rate.

“The polar ice caps may be shrinking, but Al Gore is clearly expanding,” said Dr. Hiroshi Kyosuke of the University of Tokyo.

The scientists concluded that if Mr. Gore continues to expand at his current rate, he could cause the earth to spin off its axis by 2010, sending it hurtling into the sun.

“Here’s an inconvenient truth,” Dr. Kyosuke added. “Al’s got to stay away from those carbs.”

Elsewhere, after foreigners received a record number of Academy Award nominations, CNN anchor Lou Dobbs proposed building a 12-foot high fence around the Kodak Theater.

 

[reeeoga]

Here is some real (i.e. funny) satire from Andy Borowitz.

 

[TheDoctor]

The 20X number cited by the so-called foundation has always seemed wrong to me and someone did some research and found out that this number is as bogus as the so-called foundation that put it out. http://www.anonymousliberal.com/2007/02/gores-energy-use.html

The press release claimed that Al Gore's home in Nashville consumed 221,000 kilowatt hours (kWh) of electricity last year compared to a national average of 10,656 kWh per household. I have no idea whether the number cited for Gore's house is correct, but let's assume it is. The 10,656 number comes from data published by the Department of Energy. But it's an average of all households nationwide (including apartment units and mobile homes) and across all climate regions. As it turns out, the region in which Gore lives--the East South Central--has the highest per household energy usage of any climate region in the country, a good 50% higher than the national average quoted in the press release (I assume this is due to the combination of cold winters and hot, muggy summers). So that's misleading in and of itself.

Moreover, Gore lives in a large home (10,000 sq. ft.). If you look at the data, it's clear that Gore's energy usage per square foot (even assuming the 221,000 kWh number is accurate) is well within the average range for his climate region. So all this accusation boils down to is a claim that it is somehow "hypocritical" for Al Gore to live in a large house.

As I mentioned earlier if drudge is backing a piece of information, then you can rest assure that it is wrong. Here the so called foundation/gop slime artists both used a number that includes apartments and ignores the average electricity usage for the region where Vice President Gore's home is located. If you look at the per foot usage, Vice President Gore's electric usage is average.

I hope that some facts will put this stupid talking point to bed.

 

[Planogirl]

Al Gore is doing fine and making a difference. I'm a fan needless to say and I admire him more than ever now.

 

[BuckNaked]

As I mentioned earlier if drudge is backing a piece of information, then you can rest assure that it is wrong. Here the so called foundation/gop slime artists both used a number that includes apartments and ignores the average electricity usage for the region where Vice President Gore's home is located. If you look at the per foot usage, Vice President Gore's electric usage is average.

I hope that some facts will put this stupid talking point to bed.

The 20X number cited by the so-called foundation has always seemed wrong to me and someone did some research and found out that this number is as bogus as the so-called foundation that put it out.

The "article" you linked to doesn't claim that the number is bogus. In fact, it accepts the numbers of the original press release, and by using those numbers, the 20x number is indeed correct.

Now, if you want to argue that the numbers should be broken down by region of the country, home size, etc., in order to show a more realistic comparison, I'll agree. But starting out your post with an incorrect claim, i.e., the number is bogus, just proves that you either don't read the articles you link to or that you read them but don't understand what they say.

 

[TheDoctor]

The "article" you linked to doesn't claim that the number is bogus. In fact, it accepts the numbers of the original press release, and by using those numbers, the 20x number is indeed correct.

Brenda, your concept of what is correct is amusing but is wrong. If you were a law student and gave that answer you would be steered to a career in the food service industry.

The 20X figure is as correct as the 16 words were in the State of the Union a couple of years ago. Both terms are totally fraudulent and misleading. The 20X figure is (a) based on a misleading base number i.e. it includes mibile homes and apartments which have entirely different power consumption requirements, (b) ignores that the aree where Vice President Gore's home is located has a higher power consumption requirement and (c) this figure fails to disclose that on a per square footage basis, the power used by the Gores is average for this region. If someone made the same statement in connection with the sale of securities or real estate, that person would be guilty of fraud and would go to jail. Fraud is fraud and the stratement that you are defending is misleading under the applicable legal test.

Again, the so called foundation and drudge were using a fraudulent or misleading number to slime Vice President Gore.

 

[BuckNaked]

Brenda, your concept of what is correct is amusing but is wrong. If you were a law student and gave that answer you would be steered to a career in the food service industry.

So how is McDonalds these days?

The 20X figure is as correct as the 16 words were in the State of the Union a couple of years ago.

Do the math. Gore's annual usage is ~20X the national average. Now, you may not like how that national average is calulated, but the numbers don't lie.

The 20X figure is (a) based on a misleading base number i.e. it includes mibile homes and apartments which have entirely different power consumption requirements, (b) ignores that the aree where Vice President Gore's home is located has a higher power consumption requirement and (c) this figure fails to disclose that on a per square footage basis, the power used by the Gores is average for this region.

You can certainly argue that the comparison is invalid, and I would agree. However, the original article never said that it was comparing homes of the same size in Gore's region - it clearly said "national average". And based on the national average, Gore is using 20x the annual average.

If someone made the same statement in connection with the sale of securities or real estate, that person would be guilty of fraud and would go to jail. Fraud is fraud and the stratement that you are defending is misleading under the applicable legal test.

It wasn't made in a court of law, it was made on a web site, and while I agree that the comparison is invalid, the statement itself is numerically correct.

 

[TheDoctor]

It wasn't made in a court of law, it was made on a web site, and while I agree that the comparison is invalid, the statement itself is numerically correct.

Again, you are wrong. It doesn not matter if the statements are made ina court. Under the law a statement is fraudulent and misleading if it fails to state a fact necessary to make such statement not misleading. Fraudulent statements are actionable under the law no matter when and where such statements are made. If these statements were made in the connection with a security or real estate, then such statements would be both criminal violations and violations of the civil anti-fraud laws.

The statement by drduge and the faked foundation are milseading, fraudulent and bogus under the only applicable standard. The fact that you do no like this standard only means that you should not try to sell securities or real estate.

 

[BuckNaked]

Again, you are wrong. It doesn not matter if the statements are made ina court. Under the law a statement is fraudulent and misleading if it fails to state a fact necessary to make such statement not misleading.

It clearly said "national average". That isn't fraudulent.

Fraudulent statements are actionable under the law no matter when and where such statements are made. If these statements were made in the connection with a security or real estate, then such statements would be both criminal violations and violations of the civil anti-fraud laws.

So now you think that Gore should sue. God, I'd pay money to see that.

The statement by drduge and the faked foundation are milseading, fraudulent and bogus under the only applicable standard. The fact that you do no like this standard only means that you should not try to sell securities or real estate.

I never said it wasn't misleading - I believe it is. I was simply pointing out that your statement that the 20x claim was bogus is incorrect. As stated in the original article, the claim is true.