Is Al Gore a traitor or has he simply lost his mind?

Mugg Mann said:
Hmmm....debatable?

From snopes directly;

Claim: Vice-President Al Gore claimed that he "invented" the Internet.

Status: False.

Origins: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way.


I guess that makes you unreasonable, doesn't it? As to your last sentence, you may rest assured that your efforts to try to deflect attention from the fact that you're debating with erroneous information by using more of the same are indeed noted...

So I'll ask again. Is snopes incorrect saying that no reasonable person could interpret Al Gore's comments that way, or are you wrong with your assertion about Al Gore?

Clever MugMan, but scroll down a bit further. You know the part that says, "Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the internet" is justified is a subjecgt of debate. It goes on further to say that much of what Gore took credit for existed before he even became a congressman. But hey, if Gore is your man. Go for it. It would be entertaining to watch him run again. :rotfl:
 
DawnCt1 said:
But hey, if Gore is your man. Go for it. It would be entertaining to watch him run again. :rotfl:

lol, far reaching bitter comment :hyper:



Rich::
 
dcentity2000 said:


lol, far reaching bitter comment :hyper:



Rich::

LOL! No bitterness here Rich. We won. It is just sad and reprehensible to see a former VP, a former Senator, sink to whatever it is that Gore has become. He should no better. He can only find his way politically if he alligns himself with the likes of MoveOn.org. Not a good place to be.
 

Even if you agree with Al Gore, isn't there a right time and a right place for the truth?

Or is it "wherever, whenever" goes in this case?

I mean even if you wife has a big fat butt, and that dress DOES make her look fat, you really wouldn't want to tell that to her face now would you?

The truth is the truth, right?

I guess what I'm curious about is what was the reason for Gore being there in the first place and what was the context of those statements in the crowd he was speaking to.
 
Charade said:
Even if you agree with Al Gore, isn't there a right time and a right place for the truth?

Or is it "wherever, whenever" goes in this case?

I mean even if you wife has a big fat butt, and that dress DOES make her look fat, you really wouldn't want to tell that to her face now would you?

The truth is the truth, right?

I guess what I'm curious about is what was the reason for Gore being there in the first place and what was the context of those statements in the crowd he was speaking to.
Actually, questioning his motives for being there does make a bit of sense and I'm a fan of his. I really don't know. I would guess that he was there primarily to voice his disgust with the current administration's handling of the Iraqi situation but I really don't know.

Dawn, Al Gore has no intention at this time of running for anything. He aligns himself with organizations simply because he wants to at this point and not for political advantage. Of course, like any politician, he could change his mind. :)
 
DawnCt1 said:
LOL! No bitterness here Rich. We won. It is just sad and reprehensible to see a former VP, a former Senator, sink to whatever it is that Gore has become. He should no better. He can only find his way politically if he alligns himself with the likes of MoveOn.org. Not a good place to be.


I don't understand why some are so fixated on Gore's political moves. The man IS NOT going to run for office anymore. That is why he is speaking his mind and doing exactly what he wants to do, as is his right to do. He has no constituents to answer to anymore. I doubt he has any ambition to become a "elder statesman" either. You can call him whatever you like. I think he is going to continue to say what he wants and I doubt he gives a tiny little rat's behind if the conservatives don't like it!
 
bcvillastwo said:
This is a perfect example of "not letting the facts get in the way of a good story". Yes, there is room for debate about whether the U.S. should or should not have gone to war with Iraq. But, anyone with an small amount of intellectual honesty and objectivity, anyone who is willing to look at the facts leading up to and surrounding the decision would have to conclude that there were at least some valid reasons for deposing Saddam Hussein.

To me the facts in play at the time the decision was made were sufficient to give the mission a go. Virtually every major intellegence operation in the world was in agreement that Hussein had WMD. Everyone agreed that Hussein's government was corrupt and that he was murdering his own people on a regular basis, and that he had indeed used WMD in the past.

The fact that we didn't find WMD in Iraq was not an example of Bush allowing facts to get in the way of a good story. On the contrary, if what that major intelligence agencies of the world were saying about WMD and Iraq was true it probably would have been irresponsible for Bush not to give the mission a go. I can hear the loyal opposition's hue and cry had Bush not given the mission a go, only to have Iraqi WMD used someplace in the world, or worse here in the U.S. Yes, then the loyal opposition would have been crying impeachment, off with his head, etc.

In my view, given the facts in play at the time, Bush (or any other President) was damned if he did and potentially damned if he didn't. If there were ever a catch 22 situation the Iragi situation is/was it.
Saddam was a toothless tiger. If he had had WMD he wouldn't have waited 10 yrs to use them.

Did he kill his people? Yes but unless we are willing to invade every country that abuses their citizens we had no business in Iraq.

Whether Iraq had WMD or not, unless we are prepared to go to war with every country who has them we had no business invading.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting, Bush is the anti christ, the cause of all problems large and small since the world began. Darn, darn, darn, darn, darn I just have to find a way to remember. Silly me.
Nah he's not the anti-Christ. There is no way that the devil would want to be associated with a slack-jawed vacant-staring village idiot.
 
Mugg Mann said:
It's okay. Dawn has a long history on these boards of ignoring facts that don't fit into her worldview. Just for giggles, I'll give her the snopes link that debunks the whole Al Gore internet myth that she desperately wants to hold onto, and give her the opportunity to say that a non-partisan source such as snopes is not a valid source because it goes against what she desperately wants to believe. Her response should be quite interesting....

http://www.snopes.com/quotes/internet.asp

Keep the snopes link handy.

I guarantee, you'll use it again and probably with the same individual.
 
simpilotswife said:
Saddam was a toothless tiger. If he had had WMD he wouldn't have waited 10 yrs to use them.

Did he kill his people? Yes but unless we are willing to invade every country that abuses their citizens we had no business in Iraq.

Whether Iraq had WMD or not, unless we are prepared to go to war with every country who has them we had no business invading.


Nah he's not the anti-Christ. There is no way that the devil would want to be associated with a slack-jawed vacant-staring village idiot.

President Bush is the leader of the free world and you are??

I'm glad the President and our troops and allies took action instead of standing by as the UN continued to pass toothless resolutions and take bribes. The liberation of 25 million people in Afganistan and 25 million in Iraq makes me proud to be an American. :sunny:
 
Please let us not forget this administration insisted over and over and over that Hussein was involved with Al Qaeda and 9/11 playing on the fears of American's. A complete falsehood, eventually dismissed. (except by Cheney, the straight shooter) This is what terror is really about. Mushroom cloud-chemicals weapon attack- bio attck (Anthrax) till people gave him what he wanted. This should be an impeachable offense and I believe it is. :mad:
 
JCJRSmith said:

Doesn't matter! The truth means nothing to these people.

As I told the poster with the Snopes link, file this link away because sure as God made little green apples, you'll use it again and again and again and with the same people.

The same people who will scrutize the bullets Vince Foster used or utilize a caliper to evaulate Kerry's PH wounds, are the same ones who cannot bring themselves to ask "but where the hell are those WMD's?"

Keep the link file handy. Sooner or late, you'll use it.
 
LuvDuke said:
Doesn't matter! The truth means nothing to these people.

As I told the poster with the Snopes link, file this link away because sure as God made little green apples, you'll use it again and again and again and with the same people.

The same people who will scrutize the bullets Vince Foster used or utilize a caliper to evaulate Kerry's PH wounds, are the same ones who cannot bring themselves to ask "but where the hell are those WMD's?"

Keep the link file handy. Sooner or late, you'll use it.


Gee I'm sorry the 12 hours of tapes that ABC news has been playing of how he lied to the inspectors, actually had more stockpiles than previously known mean nothing at all too.
 
LuvDuke said:
Doesn't matter! The truth means nothing to these people.

What "truth"? Kerry's or the Swiftboats? Or THE truth? You didn't even bother to read the factcheck link, did you?

It ends with:


At this point, 35 years later and half a world away, we see no way to resolve which of these versions of reality is closer to the truth.
 
superbird said:
Gee I'm sorry the 12 hours of tapes that ABC news has been playing of how he lied to the inspectors, actually had more stockpiles than previously known mean nothing at all too.

You left out the disclosure that he warned the US there would be a terrorist attack but from another country and that Iraq would never attack the US. So why did we invade them again?
 
LuvDuke, while we're on the subject of lying about lies, and factcheck.org:

Bush's "16 Words" on Iraq & Uranium: He May Have Been Wrong But He Wasn't Lying
Two intelligence investigations show Bush had plenty of reason to believe what he said in his 2003 State of the Union Address.

July 26, 2004
Modified: August 23, 2004

You can read the whole thing here:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html
 
bsnyder said:
LuvDuke, while we're on the subject of lying about lies, and factcheck.org:

Bush's "16 Words" on Iraq & Uranium: He May Have Been Wrong But He Wasn't Lying
Two intelligence investigations show Bush had plenty of reason to believe what he said in his 2003 State of the Union Address.

July 26, 2004
Modified: August 23, 2004

You can read the whole thing here:

http://www.factcheck.org/article222.html

Wow, you've pointed out a real Bush distinction: He doesn't even know he's lying when he's lying. :banana:
 
LuvDuke said:
Wow, you've pointed out a real Bush distinction: He doesn't even know he's lying when he's lying. :banana:

Well, at least you attempted a deflection. :rolleyes: Nice try, but no :banana:

I'd have to grade it an F.
 



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