Is Al Gore a traitor or has he simply lost his mind?

Freely speaking ones mind wherever, whenever, and however one wants
to is far more patriotic than sitting on the sidelines and simply being a
cheerleader for this administration.

Why is the right so enamored with Al Gore anyway?? I mean, there are more
important things to worry about.
 
Bayshore Bandit said:
Freely speaking ones mind wherever, whenever, and however one wants
to is far more patriotic than sitting on the sidelines and simply being a
cheerleader for this administration.

Why is the right so enamored with Al Gore anyway?? I mean, there are more
important things to worry about.


I find it just a bit ironic that any other time of year in Republicanland, Al Gore is usually inconsequential at best, and his comments and speeches are given the most minimal of acknowledgements. Now, because some take offense at his latest venue, he is suddenly some sort of elder statesman representing the entire United States Of America and her honor. Since when did the "washed up nothing sore loser" Al Gore suddenly become someone who holds this much power?
 
JIDDAH, Saudi Arabia (AP) - Former Vice President Al Gore told a mainly Saudi audience on Sunday that the U.S. government committed "terrible abuses" against Arabs after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, and that most Americans did not support such treatment.

Gore said Arabs had been "indiscriminately rounded up" and held in "unforgivable" conditions. The former vice president said the Bush administration was playing into al-Qaida's hands by routinely blocking Saudi visa applications.

"The thoughtless way in which visas are now handled, that is a mistake," Gore said during the Jiddah Economic Forum. "The worst thing we can possibly do is to cut off the channels of friendship and mutual understanding between Saudi Arabia and the United States."

Gore told the largely Saudi audience, many of them educated at U.S. universities, that Arabs in the United States had been "indiscriminately rounded up, often on minor charges of overstaying a visa or not having a green card in proper order, and held in conditions that were just unforgivable."

"Unfortunately there have been terrible abuses and it's wrong," Gore said. "I do want you to know that it does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country."


Ignoring the grotestic hyperbole of using "indiscriminately rounding up", "terrible abuses" and "unforgivable conditions" I'd certainly take issue with the statement "does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country". I think the vast majority of Americans would strongly oppose going back to the pre-9/11 Visa Express system. If anything, the majority feel our immigration system is still far too lax.
 
bsnyder said:
You must not have gotten the latest talking points.

We're not really at war. It's all a figment of your imagination, cooked up by President Bush to keep you in a state of perpetual fear. 9/11 never really happened. And these people don't really exist.

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I have seen American's with similair signs "Kill the towel heads" "Kill the camel jockey's" etc etc etc There are radicals everywhere. Don't answer by "we don't actually do it" because Iraq disproves that argument. :guilty:
 

eclectics said:
I find it just a bit ironic that any other time of year in Republicanland, Al Gore is usually inconsequential at best, and his comments and speeches are given the most minimal of acknowledgements. Now, because some take offense at his latest venue, he is suddenly some sort of elder statesman representing the entire United States Of America and her honor. Since when did the "washed up nothing sore loser" Al Gore suddenly become someone who holds this much power?
Slow news day on the Rush Limbaugh Show maybe?
 
bsnyder said:
Ignoring the grotestic hyperbole of using "indiscriminately rounding up", "terrible abuses" and "unforgivable conditions" I'd certainly take issue with the statement "does not represent the desires or wishes or feelings of the majority of the citizens of my country". I think the vast majority of Americans would strongly oppose going back to the pre-9/11 Visa Express system. If anything, the majority feel our immigration system is still far too lax.

I wonder what a Gallup Poll would reveal. I have yet to hear of one regarding this. And no Bet, relax, I won't ask you to look this one up! I'll try to do my own homework from now on! :)
 
eclectics said:
I wonder what a Gallup Poll would reveal. I have yet to hear of one regarding this. And no Bet, relax, I won't ask you to look this one up! I'll try to do my own homework from now on! :)

LOL! I am relaxed. ;)

Most immigration polls deal with illegal immigration in an economic context. However, the little data I've seen that discusses it from a national security perspective looks unambiguous to me. There's also the little matter of the 9/11 Commission's report, on the many and legendary pre-9/11 lapses at INS.

Do you really agree with Al Gore on this, that we're now handling Saudi visa applications "thoughtlessly" and that's a problem? :confused3
 
Bayshore Bandit said:
Freely speaking ones mind wherever, whenever, and however one wants
to is far more patriotic than sitting on the sidelines and simply being a
cheerleader for this administration.

Why is the right so enamored with Al Gore anyway?? I mean, there are more
important things to worry about.
Last week it was Jimmy Carterl They'll probably get back to Clinton pretty soon.

Ok, so the speech was supposedly inflamatory like the cartoons according to a few posters. So where are the riots? Which buildings have been set on fire? If it was just as bad as the cartoons, where is the reaction?

Or is this just a case of more mud-slinging over nothing? :rolleyes2
 
LakeAriel said:
I have seen American's with similair signs "Kill the towel heads" "Kill the camel jockey's" etc etc etc There are radicals everywhere. Don't answer by "we don't actually do it" because Iraq disproves that argument. :guilty:

Hmmm...I'd think that would be very newsworthy here in the U.S and I don't happen to remember any stories of this, particularly if those Americans were burning down mosques and murdering people along with holding up those signs. Got any pictures from any news sources?
 
LakeAriel said:
I have seen American's with similair signs "Kill the towel heads" "Kill the camel jockey's" etc etc etc There are radicals everywhere. Don't answer by "we don't actually do it" because Iraq disproves that argument. :guilty:

You know those people were Americans? Of course there are radicals everywhere but at this point, the only radicals killing innocent people are the Islamic terrorists.

So if both sides do it, what's the point in arguing about it? Let the group with the biggest guns and the most guts win. Winner take all.
 
bsnyder said:
LOL! I am relaxed. ;)

Most immigration polls deal with illegal immigration in an economic context. However, the little data I've seen that discusses it from a national security perspective looks unambiguous to me. There's also the little matter of the 9/11 Commission's report, on the many and legendary pre-9/11 lapses at INS.

Do you really agree with Al Gore on this, that we're now handling Saudi visa applications "thoughtlessly" and that's a problem? :confused3

Not sure I'd use the term "thoughtlessly". Is there discrimination post 9/11, either overt or covert? I believe there is. The problem with this administration is that I truly believe they are so secretive and God only knows what hidden protocols the INS is being asked to put to use, that's it's difficult for me to have a black and white answer to this. I would like to see a definitive poll taken with only a national security take on it. That would be very interesting, I suspect.
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Are you going over there with your peace delegation to tell the terrorists to lay down their arms and play nice? Well??

We did and it worked :sunny:



Rich::
 
rockin_rep said:
I disagree.

Patriotism is defined as a love of one's country above all others. Therefore, blind acceptance of the premier's policies is not necessary ('s called Democracy).

Your turn :teeth:



Rich::
 
JoeEpcotRocks said:
Of course the poster's comment was meant as an insult. She hasn't changed a bit.

Neither have you, Joe. You're still the same chickenhawk warrior fighting the Iraq war from his keyboard. Unlike too many on my side of the aisle, I don't hide the contempt under a veneer of "let's play nice".
 
DawnCt1 said:
Again, has anyone actually consider the climate that Al Gore spoke about the treatment of Arabs. Its actually ironic. He decried the American abuses before a country that engages in public floggings, dismemberment for petty theft and public executions.

And Bush held the leader of that country's hand and you thought, and still think using the most ridiculous rationalizations, it was hunky-dory.
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
Slow news day on the Rush Limbaugh Show maybe?

Well, how many times can Limbaugh dig up Coretta Scott King before even his pitiful ditto-heads start to think he's getting into the mushrooms ............. again. ;)
 
I know the sign holders were American's by the way they puffed out their chests and yelled USA USA! The suggestion they bring such venom to the front lines was lost on them. I have these signs myself and I am quite certain the Muslims have too. To say they are the only ones doing the killing is to discount the 100,000 or so Muslims we have killed in IRAQ during our invasion of "shock and awe", mostly woman and children. Get your facts straight.
 
Earlier I said the following in one of my posts.

The most important thing I have managed to discern over time is there are many people out there who don't let the facts get in the way of a good story. Sadly, it applies to almost all of us at one time or the other.

The point I was trying to make was that most of us including the two major political parties don't have the market cornered on getting the facts straight, or allowing the facts to get in the way of a good story.

Sometime later Simpilotswife responded as follows.

Absolutely, just ask President Bush about his invasion of Iraq. That is a perfect example of someone not letting the facts get in the way of his story.

This is a perfect example of "not letting the facts get in the way of a good story". Yes, there is room for debate about whether the U.S. should or should not have gone to war with Iraq. But, anyone with an small amount of intellectual honesty and objectivity, anyone who is willing to look at the facts leading up to and surrounding the decision would have to conclude that there were at least some valid reasons for deposing Saddam Hussein.

To me the facts in play at the time the decision was made were sufficient to give the mission a go. Virtually every major intellegence operation in the world was in agreement that Hussein had WMD. Everyone agreed that Hussein's government was corrupt and that he was murdering his own people on a regular basis, and that he had indeed used WMD in the past.

The fact that we didn't find WMD in Iraq was not an example of Bush allowing facts to get in the way of a good story. On the contrary, if what that major intelligence agencies of the world were saying about WMD and Iraq was true it probably would have been irresponsible for Bush not to give the mission a go. I can hear the loyal opposition's hue and cry had Bush not given the mission a go, only to have Iraqi WMD used someplace in the world, or worse here in the U.S. Yes, then the loyal opposition would have been crying impeachment, off with his head, etc.

In my view, given the facts in play at the time, Bush (or any other President) was damned if he did and potentially damned if he didn't. If there were ever a catch 22 situation the Iragi situation is/was it.

Oh wait, I keep forgetting, Bush is the anti christ, the cause of all problems large and small since the world began. Darn, darn, darn, darn, darn I just have to find a way to remember. Silly me.
 
LuvDuke said:
Neither have you, Joe. You're still the same chickenhawk warrior fighting the Iraq war from his keyboard. Unlike too many on my side of the aisle, I don't hide the contempt under a veneer of "let's play nice".

Or better yet, hide the contempt under a "God Bless".
 
LakeAriel said:
I know the sign holders were American's by the way they puffed out their chests and yelled USA USA! The suggestion they bring such venom to the front lines was lost on them. I have these signs myself and I am quite certain the Muslims have too. To say they are the only ones doing the killing is to discount the 100,000 or so Muslims we have killed in IRAQ during our invasion of "shock and awe", mostly woman and children. Get your facts straight.

But no pictures, huh?
 












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