I'm just sick over this...

ITA with the idea of counseling especially now that I read your DS is adopted. I wonder if there isn't some connection there?

(I don't meant this as a slam on adoptees just that her DS may have ideas/memories/feelings that led to this.)
 
FWIW, we adopted him when he was 6, so we've only had 7 years of knowing and loving him, though it feels as if we were always devoted to him. He is full of goodness. This is truly the first time he's screwed up. He just picked a way to do it big time.

Wow, for me this changes everything. Being a teen is hard enough trying to figure out who you are in this world and where you fit in. I'm thinking this might be his way of testing you to see if you really are his parents and will love him unconditionally. Maybe this is all about abandonment issues and not feeling like he is part of your family, but rather an outsider.
 
I think you've had a lot of good advice and sound like great parents who take this very seriously and will deal with it accordingly.

The only suggestion I would have if volunteering is part of your solution would be to suggest actually having him volunteer with the police. I know we have volunteer groups here that spend hours helping the police officers (my aunt is one of them) and she gets to know the officers very well. You will probably have to volunteer with him, I would bet, at that age.

I think that they would all be good examples for your son of dedication and doing the right thing which would only help him in his future military ambitions. Plus, I'm sure it would make him think twice about getting into any trouble with the law in the future because he would probably know a lot of them personally and not want to disappoint them.

It would show him what happens to people who do break the law as well.
 
You sound like you're definitely on the right track!!:hug: I can remember being a teenager and doing all kinds of stupid stuff that was probably really hurtful to my mom. Try not to obsess over this too much, just choose your course of action and move on.
 

:grouphug: :hug: I'm sorry for what you guys are going through.

There's a saying; "Small kids -- small problems. Big kids --big problems.". It's the truth. While it's all very hard to take right now, your DS is at a crossroads. I agree with pps that he still needs positive strokes. Consequences, yes. And reminders that he is still your same loveable boy. People make mistakes in judgement and can come through on the other side.

You sound like a good mom, OP. :hug:
 
My advice would be to get him into counseling right now. It is important that this is handled in the way that will best help your son and I would personally follow only the advise of a well recommended professional...
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Absolutely! I would do the same thing:

1) Make an immediate and emergency appointment with a therapist. I would call Child Services to get a recommendation of a good therapist that deals with anti-social children. Not that your child is anti-social, but he has demonstrated a little skip towards that road. But working with a professional that has experience with hard core teens with problems will help you and your son from going down that particular avenue.

2) Follow the advice of the professional on how to handle the situation with the child. I would not implement any punishments until I had the advice of a professional therapist.
 
I think you're stretching it with this one. Helping someone up does not involve theft. Have you thought of why you didn't have any suspicions? I can't fathom not knowing that my 13 year old was out living the kind of lifestyle you have described.


I can't imagine what you're going through, and I hope that your family gets the help you need. Honestly, though, I'd rethink your DH playing a round of golf tomorrow and spending some serious time with your son. :confused3

sure it does have you not seen robin hood....????

OP I agree that was a big stretch..... flashing cash and playing big spender is not "helping people"
 
ITA with the idea of counseling especially now that I read your DS is adopted. I wonder if there isn't some connection there?

(I don't meant this as a slam on adoptees just that her DS may have ideas/memories/feelings that led to this.)

FWIW, we adopted him when he was 6, so we've only had 7 years of knowing and loving him, though it feels as if we were always devoted to him. He is full of goodness. This is truly the first time he's screwed up. He just picked a way to do it big time.

Wow, for me this changes everything. Being a teen is hard enough trying to figure out who you are in this world and where you fit in. I'm thinking this might be his way of testing you to see if you really are his parents and will love him unconditionally. Maybe this is all about abandonment issues and not feeling like he is part of your family, but rather an outsider.

I was wondering the same thing. My DH and I really hit the jackpot with our two children. We've had no problem with either of them up until now. We went into adoption knowing that the kids could have some issues, but we thought they'd be evident from the start. We could be very wrong and this could be his way of acting out on issues he had with his first parents. He was 5 when he was taken from their alcoholic home. DD was 4. They were only in an orphanage for 11 months, excluding the 6 weeks that they were in this country getting to know us prior to the adoption, so really only 9.5 months in the orphanage. We always thought that worked to our benefit with them psychologically.
 
sure it does have you not seen robin hood....????

OP I agree that was a big stretch..... flashing cash and playing big spender is not "helping people"
I agree that is a HUGE stretch. I'm just trying to "talk out" all possible reasons. I also agree that flashing cards and spending money doesn't equate to helping people, but that is what our DS may be seeing when we participate in charity events by buying items to be put up for auction, etc. He doesn't see the committee work that we do behind the scenes, just the package that Mom or Dad delivers to the event headquarters, or the items that we donate to the Salvation Army or Catholic Social Services like old TVs, towels, mattresses, etc.
 
I'm just wondering if you've been able to get any kind of accounting on where the money has been spent?

Really, it is not that easy to blow through $6000 buying pizza for your friends at Pizza Hut. To me, finding out what he was spending the money ON is a pretty big issue.
 
Evidently, this has been going on for a while, unbeknownst to us. He said that on average, he spent about $50 per day on snacks/candy, meals and other useless junk like pokemon cards.

I've called his pediatrician for a recommendation for a child psychologist and I have 3 recommendations. I am trying to get in touch with the top recommendation now. Darn busy phone line...
 
I just wanted to say that I'm sorry you're going through this. :hug:

Shelby
 
I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but what did he spend $6000 dollars on?? I saw the carnival mentioned, and some dinners with friends. That's an enourmous amount. Where did it all go? That would be a part of the discussion I would have with him.
IMO he has way too much free time away from you if he is able to spend $6000 without your knowledge. You need closer tabs on him.
I'm very sorry you are dealing with this:hug: , I agree with others that suggest counseling for him (and you and DH). His excuse that he didn't know who the money belonged to was a bold faced lie, and makes me think he doesn't really get it. It will aslo help you develop a good plan to learn to trust him again.
Whatever you do, don't start back peddling on your stand on this. He didn't do it to get a jump start on philanthropy. He did something wrong. That's OK though. Kids make mistakes. Just don't compound the mistake by making excuses or trying to find ways to alleviate his blame. That will only hurt him in the end.
Good luck.:hug: Keep us posted.
 
I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but what did he spend $6000 dollars on?? I saw the carnival mentioned, and some dinners with friends. That's an enourmous amount. Where did it all go? That would be a part of the discussion I would have with him.

IMO he has way too much free time away from you if he is able to spend $6000 without your knowledge. You need closer tabs on him.

I'm very sorry you are dealing with this:hug: , I agree with others that suggest counseling for him (and you and DH). His excuse that he didn't know who the money belonged to was a bold faced lie, and makes me think he doesn't really get it. It will aslo help you develop a good plan to learn to trust him again.
Whatever you do, don't start back peddling on your stand on this. He didn't do it to get a jump start on philanthropy. He did something wrong. That's OK though. Kids make mistakes. Just don't compound the mistake by making excuses or trying to find ways to alleviate his blame. That will only hurt him in the end.
Good luck.:hug: Keep us posted.

I agree...

Excellent post!

I wanted to add, that if he was 'flashing' those bills, there are probably MANY unscrupulous people ready to beg, borrow, and cajol sums money right out of his hands. I would suspect that there are those who walked away from this situation with heavier pockets.
 
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He's not just talking military, he wants to go to West Point and be an officer in the army. College is high on his radar, he just wants it to be a military college instead of a public or private one. He can see the opportunities he would have if he made it through West Point. Then he needs to know that his behavior has to be above reproach. If he had done this to a stranger, he'd have lost any chance for getting into any military academy.
I just left his bedroom before I read the updated posts. He is starting to feel remorse moreso than just feeling sorry that he got caught. He is starting to find things he can ebay to earn money to pay us back. He also wants to advertise about doing odd jobs for neighbors to earn some money. Well, remorse is good. I always hated when I disappointed my parents. Honestly. Having them say "We are disappointed" was worse than getting screamed at or grounded.
Volunteering would be a learning tool, from our perspective. Our DS has a ton of opportunities in his life that others don't have. He needs to see how the poor struggle from day to day to better appreciate the things that he has. I agree.
Making the punishment fit the crime is the hardest part of this entire equation for us. That's why we asked for everyone's opinions. I appreciate each and every one of them.

My BIL is a state trooper. I already told my DH that he needs to schedule a long conversation between he and our DS. The good thing is that they are playing golf tomorrow so they'll have several hours to discuss what our BIL, from a police perspective thinks about the situation, too. BIL may be able to give you some excellent insight. He may also be able to give DS a glimpse into what life is like for a thief...especially when they get caught.
It crossed my mind that this could be part of the problem. His uncle is more generous than anyone I know, but he rarely takes credit for anything he does. He is very humble in that regard. My DS also sees me, especially, but DH, too, doing things to help others, whether financially or with our time. But, it took years for us to be able to financially help others, as it did with his uncle, too. I wonder if he's just trying to speed his ability to help others up? A stretch.
One thing I have not done is yelled at him over this. I've spoken very matter-of-factly, but I've not yelled or screamed. I didn't think that would help. I have cried several times, too, because my heart is just so broken by this betrayal. Has he seen you cry? Because that would be very effective.
Why would you not hide cash? Should we have left it out on the dresser or counter top? Money is kept hidden so that others who come into the house don't take it.

In hindsight, people are telling me about their suspicions. My mother said that she was going to mention it to me that my DS always had a bunch of cash on him. In hindsight, I'm recalling some things too, but on a daily basis, my DS covered his tracks very well. He'd never done anything else wrong and we trusted him. He told us that he and his friends shared expenses or that they picked up the tabs on different occasions. No one let on until this week what was going on in the big picture and when they did, several people mentioned things to me. The final puzzle piece came last night when I was talking to his friend's mother.... then my DH checked the cash on hand and everything pulled together.

The whole respect thing is exactly what I've been mulling over and over in my head. How little do you respect someone who loves you unconditionally that you would steal from them? I'm having a very hard time wrapping my brain around that.*** :hug:***

It's so very hard being a mother, isn't it???

FWIW, your DS sounds like he had a rough start with his first family, and the turbulence of the teenage years may be stirring all that stuff up....hormones and everything else are enough to make the best kid do some wacky things. Take a kid who may have had a tough time somewhere along the line, mix it up with adolescence, and viola!!!!!

I agree that he needs to suffer some consequences. He needs to realize the value of $6000. How you choose to make him work it off...selling belongings, working aruond the house, working for other people and giving you the $$...really is your choice.

I think counselling is imperative because with the further information about his first family and their issues, I can't help but think that it has something to do with this. If he was 5 or 6, he was old enough to notice/remember some things about what his life was like then. There may be abandonment issues...it's not like he was a newborn...he was 6. Maybe his thinking was "If I always have money I'll always have people around me". He's smart enough to see th evalue we as a society place on the financial and material. There may be self-esteem issues...for all intents and purposes, his first mother abandoned him. How does that make a kid feel? Again, not giving him excuses, but possible explanations. Add the effects of being the child of alcoholism...tough road for a young kid.

Perhaps some of it is societal....many of our younger generation are very materialistic...very "stuff" oriented...the latest phone, the latest iPod, the latest Wii. My DH is in real estate and he is amazed at the number of 20-something year old newlyweds who come in to his office looking to buy the 3000 square foot, 4 BR, 3.5 bath colonial and are shocked when they can't qualify for it. They say "But that's the kind of house my parents have. That's the house I grew up in". What they fail to realize is that their parents took 10-20 years to acquire that house. I think there is a basic lack of a sense of good fortune when one has nice things...it's more like it is expected.

I guess my point is that you need more than a 1-pronged approach to this problem. Counselling, consequences, personal responsibility. And yes, it is OK for your DS to know that he hurt and disappointed you. It is OK for you not to trust him. He lost your trust, he has to regain it.

Good luck OP. :hug:
 
I don't mean to downplay this situation at all, but just wanted to say that my first thought upon reading your post was that your son was dealing drugs. Glad that he's not, but it could definitely be worse. . . .

I too wondered if he was dealing at first. After reading that he had taken that much money, I would seriously consider having him tested for drugs.

I feel for you. I have 13 & 14 year old sons. I have no idea what I would do in your situation. I also don't think either of them could spend $6000 on soding & dining their friends. If he doesn't have electronics or other consumer goods to show for it, I would have them tested for drugs. I think the counseling is a good idea. BTW if he did buy "stuff" with it, I'd have him sell it (EBAY) or whatever. And you keep every penny, of course he won't get what he paid for them, but there's another lesson for him.
 
You have gotten a lot of good advice. I just want to say that I am sorry you are all going through this.
 
Wow, I am so sorry this is happening to you. When we trust our kids and then they do something to disappoint us....ugh...I feel for you.

I have to wonder like others where all that money went. It wasn't a 20 here or there. It was 6000.00. Is it really possible he took that much or maybe your husband is mistaking on the figure? I don't know how he spent 50 here or there. That would mean he spent 1500.00 a month at 50 per day. So this has been going on for four months? There has to be more to the story. For him to say he will pay it back seems unrealistic. As grown adults (and some who have credit debt) it would take us forever to pay back 6000.00 even with full time jobs. How will he ever be able to? That is a very big burden to bare for a 13 year old :(

OP, I hope things get worked out. I have a 14 and 16 year old. They can get so frustrating at time!

Deb
 
Your story breaks my heart. Im sending you all the best wishes for you and your family. Im sure the coming months will be hard in whatever decision you make...counseling, etc. Im having my own DS13 year old issues myself. It really does just grate at your heart.

:hug: Kerri
 
I'm not a parent, but I am a teacher. One of the most effective tools I've seen used is for the child to have to talk to each and every person affected by the situation. That means the parents of his friends and the friends themselves, the managers and wait staff at the restaurant (they can tell him about being paid with stolen money and how that can affect their business), every person in his family because his stealing can impact them, his teachers because as an older student he is a role model for the younger students in his school... Everyone you can think of. Let them tell your son how is actions impacted them, how he made them feel. This creates a feeling of community when he sees how many people care, but also a feeling of shame when he sees how he's hurt them.

It's just a suggestion. For the young lady I saw this strategy employed with it worked very well (she had shop lifted hundreds of dollars worth of stuff). I'm glad you're seeking professional help, they'll hopefully have techniques and tools to help you more then those of us on the boards.

:hug:
 


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