I'm just sick over this...

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My DS (13) has had a lot of money lately. He gets money from relatives and he "works" for his uncle and earns some money. I didn't think much of him having money because it didn't seem like he was spending an overabundance of it, just what he gets from those sources. He's been going out to eat with his friends and telling me that he picks up the tab sometimes and they buy other times. They aren't going to expensive places, but places like Friendly's, Pizza Hut and a local diner.

So, I've been talking to people who are telling me that he always has a lot of cash when he's out and he likes to flaunt it. I had given him $30 to go to an amusement park on Tuesday with a church group. My youngest sister went with him and said he had well over $100 with him. He claimed that he had $52 when I asked him about it.

I spoke to his friend's mother last night and she told me that he had a wad of cash at the local carnival. She was concerned about his safety since he wasn't subtle about taking the cash from his pocket. It was during that conversation that I found out that his friends don't buy when they go out to dinner. My DS picks up the tab ALL THE TIME since he's the only one who ever has money. He also buys them things in the shops around town.

So, when DH got home last night, I told him about these concerns. It was around 10:30 and our DS was supposed to sleep over this friend's house, but when my DH checked his stash of cash he found that our DS had stolen over $6,000 from us. Money that was well hidden. (Why DH had so much cash in the house is beyond me and the rest has been deposited in the bank this morning.) We called DS and told him he was coming home now.

He denied stealing the cash but as we pressed him, he finally admitted that he'd taken it $100 at a time. He hasn't confessed as to why he did it other than to tell us that he didn't know whose money it was (DUH!) and he told me this morning that he took it because sometimes I make him mad (again, DUH! I'm his mother and it's not my job to make him happy by giving him his own way 100% of the time.) He's remorseful now because he's in trouble.

I told him that he's broken our trust and that if he'd stolen from someone else he'd be sitting in jail right now. He's in his room right now. We told him that we're going to setup an account into which he can accumulate the money that he stole from us. He told us to take the money from his college savings. Yeah, like that's going to happen. That's just more money that we saved for him to make things easier later. He claims that he's going to go to a military academy so he won't need money for college. I explained to him last night how few people make it into these academies and their grades are much better than what he's bringing home.

Basically, he's got an answer for everything except for why he did this.

If you've read this far, thank you. I feel like I've babbled through my venting.

Here's the bottom line... aside from making him repay this money, what other punishments do you suggest that we lay upon him? I'm thinking service hours/community service at a soup kitchen along with grounding him. This has just hit too close to home for me to think clearly and fairly about it.
 
Tell him felons don't go to military academies..... they go to jail. If he had stolen this amount from a stranger that's what he could become. (If they pressed charges.)

I think what you're doing is appropriate.
 
I think you need to find a counselor. That goes above and beyond anything that simple punishment will cure. Grounding is for kid taking $10 from mom's purse. $100s at a time is major cause for concern.

I'm sorry you're going through this. :hug: It must be heartwrenching.
 
Wow. A lot of things come to mind.

First, I guess it surprises me that so much cash can go missing without anyone noticing. It also surprises me that you wouldn't know how he gets his money. I wonder the same thing about my unemployed teenage niece and nephew. They don't work but always seem to have money.

I also wonder if having money is what makes him feel different or special with his friends and the ability to foot the bill buys him popularity.

I would SERIOUSLY find someone to talk with about this (counseling) because there is a reason he is doing this and the usual punishments probably aren't going to solve it.

Good luck!!!
 

Wow. You must be heartbroken. :hug: I haven't had to deal with that, thankfully, but I'm trying to imagine what I would do. I'm imagining my kid's room stripped of ANYTHING that might be considered fun (music players, computer, video games, etc). Social life would be zero. Chores around the house would increase dramatically. And I think your community service idea is a good one, too.

Hang in there.
 
Can you start selling off his things? Did he buy anything with the money besides food? Like IPods? Computers? I'm so sorry your going thru this... :(
 
I think you are doing an apporpriate punishment. Make him repay that money! My son had a schoolmate that was always flashing money around. His family DID NOT have money lying around the house so it was strange to see him bringing in a $50 for lunch. Turns out he was stealing from the teachers!:scared1:

Nip this in the bud. He was obviously feeling like a big shot. Time to refresh his memory about who he is. $6000 is a lot of money. hugs to you and I agree with time to sell some of his things.
 
No "fun". He needs to get a job of some kind to earn back what he stole. He needs to forget any extracurricular activites at school this year. Take away the video games. His life should be school and working to pay back the debt.

I realize that he may be too young to get a real job but he can become the housemaid. Is his uncle going to continue to employ him given his thieving?
 
Wow!:scared1:

OK....This will be a weird way of looking at it. So bear with me.

I would not do "grounding". The reason being part of the punishment will be being with his friends without money.
As odd as this sounds this will be a punishment for him as he is used to having friends because he has money.

Of course I would make him repay it and volunteering is an excellent punishment.
Working this off will be more beneficial than the grounding.

Anyway that is what I would do. Focus on the work, less on the grounding. This is something that requires something more adult in nature when it comes to punishment.

I hope that makes sense. Although beating him and never letting him out of the house is very tempting.:lmao:

:hug:
 
Well, if it were my child, they would have a mattress on the floor, no door on their room, a lamp and an alarm clock in their room. They would need to ask permission to do everything, including watching TV. They would not be able to leave their room unless they asked, they would have scheduled bathroom breaks, etc. Basically stealing being in jail for stealing $6000. They would have to earn every single penny back by doing jobs around the house, etc. Harsh, but way better then ending up in jail. At 13 he should know better. Oh, and for his college fund, um sorry, that is not HIS fund, it is YOUR money that you MIGHT use to help him in college. If he doesn't need it, that is now your fun money for your retirement. No child is entitled to a college fund. Community service, how about visiting inmates in jail--that could be an eye opener for him!
 
From one mom to another, I undeerstand what you are going through right now. The hardest times I've gone through as a parent have revolved around finding out one of my kids is capable of doing something unthinkable to me. I understand completely the feeling sick part. Different situations, but I've BTDT for sure.

My only advice is, DON'T go easy on him! I would make him work so hard to pay the money back that he never ever doubts the value of hard earned money.

Good luck to you in your situation. Raising teenagers is possibly the hardest job anyone can have. It makes those sleepless nights walking the floor with a colicky 2 month old seem like a club med vacation!
 
well let me tell you of the 8th grade year and the stolen Christmas money.......
You know, let's not because I'd prefer not to re-live it.

We did go to Counseling and frankly my oldest son had a really rough early adolescence. We had temper issues, money issues, self-esteem issues, grade issues - the works. I have to tell you that without that Counselor to walk me through some of that and assure me that he really wasn't that bad, I would have strangled the kid somewhere along Freshman year.

I'll just reassure you with a we're really good friends now and I'm taking him to college this weekend.

It'll be ok.
 
I agree with the counseling idea, and that he's using the money to "buy" friends. He needs to understand right now that people who only hang around you because you're their meal ticket are NOT friends, and that real friends stick by you whether you buy them things or not.

I'm hoping at least some of his friends are real, and not just with him for the perks.

But he needs to understand WHY he feels he has to buy friendship in this way.

And yeah...that's a LOT of money for a 13 year old to spend. It seems he doesn't have a concept of how much one has to work to earn that much money (from his reponse of "just take it out of my savings"). He needs to find out...however you see fit.

:grouphug:
 
Please consider seeing a therapist for your son. It sounds as though he is having some major issues. Good Luck to you. I am sorry your family is going through this.:hug:
 
IMO - this would be the worst year of his life. There would be 3 things for him to do. Go to school, do his homework, earn money around the house. No after school activities, no going out with friends. Give him one phone call a day and time him. His free time needs to be earning back that money and he will not be "free" until he has paid back $6,000.

He needs to have a set established list of chores that he must do without pay. You cannot pay him for everything. When those chores are done - then he can do extra work for pay.

That $6000 was a lot of fun for him but that's a HUGE HUGE amount of money for a kid to steal and spend. Earning it back needs to be hard work and painful so he understands the value of that money.
 
Wow. A lot of things come to mind.

First, I guess it surprises me that so much cash can go missing without anyone noticing. It also surprises me that you wouldn't know how he gets his money. I wonder the same thing about my unemployed teenage niece and nephew. They don't work but always seem to have money.

I also wonder if having money is what makes him feel different or special with his friends and the ability to foot the bill buys him popularity.

I would SERIOUSLY find someone to talk with about this (counseling) because there is a reason he is doing this and the usual punishments probably aren't going to solve it.

Good luck!!!
The money wasn't checked often... at all. We wouldn't expect our kids would steal from us and we hadn't been robbed. It was hidden, so we didn't go to count it to see if it grew.

I asked him specifically about playing the role of Mr. Big Shot. I explained to him that he will never know who his true friends are if he buys friends. His 2 best friends have expressed to me that they feel badly about him paying for them.

I'm thinking counseling may be very well warranted. We have to have something concrete that will help us to trust him again. Right now, I can't believe anything that he says.
No "fun". He needs to get a job of some kind to earn back what he stole. He needs to forget any extracurricular activites at school this year. Take away the video games. His life should be school and working to pay back the debt.

I realize that he may be too young to get a real job but he can become the housemaid. Is his uncle going to continue to employ him given his thieving?
His uncle is known around town for helping out tons of people. He's sent some of his workers to "camp" when they've had alcohol or drug problems. He helps out others when they have personal problems. I'm sure that he'll continue to "employ" my DS. At least when he's 14, he can get working papers so he can work more than 4 hours per week like he does now.

Oh, and CF'r, you're right. We told him that felons don't get into military academies. They want the best, brightest and most honest and obviously, my DS doesn't live up to the honesty part right now.
 
:grouphug:
I am so sorry. I am sure this is heartbreaking for you. I would be devastated.

My DS (14 at the time) stole a can of soda, was caught and had to go to court. I was sick over it. It cost us approx $1,800.00 in legal fees. DS worked to pay that off (a few years later, he is still paying it off).

I broke down the money for him and told him how many hours it took me to earn that money, what I had planned to use that money for, etc. I created a spread sheet even showing the taxes I had to pay (which meant more hours of work earning that money). He needed to know the impact of his actions, mentally and financially.

Again, I am so sorry you are going thru this. :grouphug:
 
I'm another person who is strongly suggesting counseling.

I would also ground him and take away other privledges such as the computer, tv, etc. He does need to pay that money back. I would keep a log of how much he pays until the debt is completely gone. I'm sure it will take a looooong time for a 13 year old to do but by the time he does, it will be a lesson well learned.

Good luck. This is such a difficult situation to be in. :hug:
 
You want harsh?

I'd be tempted to press charges. Now, if I were in this situation, I probably *wouldn't*, but still...

I think some serious no-nonsense counseling is in order, for your son and for the entire family.

I like the idea of the room being stripped - mattress on floor, etc.

I would also make an appointment with a criminal lawyer (*seriously*), having set up the parameters beforehand. Take your son with you and ask the lawyer what the possible consequences would be (if charges were pressed). If the counselor thinks it's a good idea, take your son to the local jail/police station, so the police can fill him in on what the system would do with him for such an action.

You and Junior need to go tell the uncle (maybe you can also talk to the uncle first?). He won't want to go, he won't want to tell anyone but I think Junior needs to see how the uncle reacts.
And, by the way....are you *SURE* that your home is the only place Junior has stolen from? Could he have stolen from other places, maybe other family-members' homes or from the uncle's business?

I am so sorry for all this.

agnes!
 
Being a parent of 3, aged 22, 18, and 12, I know there are days where we are proud of our kids, and days we we are not. Hugs for having one of the latter.
 


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