I'm getting a puppy! -update page 6

[foolishmortal]

Ok I HAVE TO POST HERE!!!!!

I only made it through page 1 and cannot believe what I am reading. THere is so much beng told that is purely not true!!

I have a chihuahua, my parents have 2 poms and a chihuahua, and none of the dogs have even growled at much lesss snapped or bit my 18 month old son or 10 year old son!

IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU RAISE THE DOG!!!!!!!!!

This is almost as ridiculous as the bans on pit bulls. Are they a dangerous dog? Yes if you train them to be....I have a friend who has pits and they are the nicest dogs ever because he trained them.

So people please do not post negetive comments about dogs like this especially when they are not true. The owner makes the dog!!!!

 

[Jynohn]

To the OP:

I know how frustrating it must be to be so excited about your new puppy and have everyone point out the negatives. I went through the same thing with my sister a few weeks ago when she was looking for a Rhodesian Ridgeback pup. I used to breed Great Danes, so she knew that I would know what to look for in a reputable breeder. Unfortunately, every puppy she would find she would direct me to their website and I would point out something that didn’t look right with the breeder. I know she was getting frustrated with me, but I was really just trying to help her find the healthiest and best socialized pet possible. Sadly, she ended up losing patience and went with the next breeder who had puppies available who was willing to ship out a dog “as soon as the check clears.” Her puppy arrived last Friday, and she is already out about $100 to treat her new baby for an eye infection. She hasn’t even had him a week yet
If it’s not too late, I would strongly reconsider this breeder that you’re looking at. Good breeders dedicate their lives to improving ONE breed, maybe on rare occasions two. Any more than that and you are delving into puppy mill territory. I know from personal experience just how much work goes into properly raising and socializing a litter of puppies. It is physically impossible to be able to raise that many litters at once with the proper socialization. There’s just not enough hours in the day…

Also, as others have pointed out, the registry your breeder uses is effectively meaningless. It’s used by puppymillers and backyard breeders who either can’t prove the parentage of their pups or who have been banned by the AKC for some reason or another. I know personally of one Dane breeder here in MA who was banned from the AKC for life for falsifying registrations (my dog’s included). Instead of closing up shop, she happily switched to another pseudo registry and is still busily scamming people to this day

The parvo vaccinations also give me cause for concern because an over-vaccinated puppy, as others have pointed out, often suffer from a lifetime of allergies and neurological problems.

I hate to pile on here because I know that you just want to be excited about your new baby, I just hope that if it’s not too late you may change your mind. It really is worth the extra effort to find a puppy that is well bred and well socialized.

Good luck in whatever you decide!

Jynohn

 

[In a hurry]

Ok I HAVE TO POST HERE!!!!!

I only made it through page 1 and cannot believe what I am reading. THere is so much beng told that is purely not true!!

I have a chihuahua, my parents have 2 poms and a chihuahua, and none of the dogs have even growled at much lesss snapped or bit my 18 month old son or 10 year old son!

IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU RAISE THE DOG!!!!!!!!!

This is almost as ridiculous as the bans on pit bulls. Are they a dangerous dog? Yes if you train them to be....I have a friend who has pits and they are the nicest dogs ever because he trained them.

So people please do not post negetive comments about dogs like this especially when they are not true. The owner makes the dog!!!!

So you don't believe dogs can be bred for temperment?

 

[Am_I_There_Yet]

I for one learned about my breed of choice (Golden Retriever) after the fact. I had always wanted a Golden and knew they were good with kids, and that was about it.

I had never heard the term "backyard breeder", but knew about puppy mills. In my convoluted thinking, I found a breeder in a newspaper and bought Chloe, my Golden. I wouldn't have dreamed of buying one from a pet store, but instead supported someone who probably sells them their puppies. Pure ignorance.

Then, I got online (AOL at the time) and got on their pet's board. One was specific to Goldens and boy, was it an eye-opener. I love, love, love my dog, but if I would have known then, what I know now, I never would have bought her. I would have spent ten times more to buy her, and spent ten times less at the vet taking care of her.

After the fact, I ordered her pedigree and learned how few had had their hips, eyes and hearts checked and how mediocre at best, the ones that had been checked were. Now I have to worry how long it'll be before I see the results of her bad breeding. She already has thyroid issues, so weight is a problem. I won't be the least bit surprised to see her develop hip issues down the road. She has so much going against her.

All I'm trying to say, is don't make the mistake I did. Don't buy a dog without doing proper research. What you learn could make all the difference in the world.

 

[VSL]

Ok I HAVE TO POST HERE!!!!!

I only made it through page 1 and cannot believe what I am reading. THere is so much beng told that is purely not true!!

. . .

IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU RAISE THE DOG!!!!!!!!!

. . .

So people please do not post negetive comments about dogs like this especially when they are not true. The owner makes the dog!!!!

Don't know how reliable it is, but this website says otherwise.

 

[In a hurry]

Am I There Yet, I did the exact same thing! I thought I was doing what was best, but wound up with a Westie who died from an intestinal disorder at 8 months, and then a Sheltie who also had issues. I thought I did my homework better for the second pup, but still would have made better choices with better information!

Like you I loved them both with all of my heart, but I suspect that I would have recouped all of the initial investment by saved vet bills.

 

[Am_I_There_Yet]

Ok I HAVE TO POST HERE!!!!!

I only made it through page 1 and cannot believe what I am reading. THere is so much beng told that is purely not true!!

I have a chihuahua, my parents have 2 poms and a chihuahua, and none of the dogs have even growled at much lesss snapped or bit my 18 month old son or 10 year old son!

IT'S ALL IN HOW YOU RAISE THE DOG!!!!!!!!!

This is almost as ridiculous as the bans on pit bulls. Are they a dangerous dog? Yes if you train them to be....I have a friend who has pits and they are the nicest dogs ever because he trained them.

So people please do not post negetive comments about dogs like this especially when they are not true. The owner makes the dog!!!!

I for one, totally disagree with this. Yes, I think a dog's owner can help shape its temperment, but all dogs have instincts that we can't control. Some of those instincts are aggressive by nature.

Some dogs dig, some dogs herd, some dogs retrieve, some dogs hang on for dear life, with jaws of steel. All of it is inbred.

I couldn't train my Golden to not carry things in her mouth. She's bred to carry ducks softly, after a kill. She walks around carrying her babies all the time. I never taught her that. She taught me that.

YMMV

 

[Am_I_There_Yet]

Don't know how reliable it is, but this website says otherwise.

That was very interesting.

I've told this story on here before and am too lazy to tell the whole thing again, but I had a Beagle severely mauled by a pit bull in my old neighborhood.

Of course the owner said he had never been aggressive before. Tell that to my (now deceased) Beagle.

 

[VSL]

Some dogs dig, some dogs herd, some dogs retrieve, some dogs hang on for dear life, with jaws of steel. All of it is inbred.

Tell me about it!

Like I've said previously, my dog (had to be 'put down' before Christmas 2005) was a Border Collie (although we think he may have been mixed with Lab as he had the pattern but was not fluffy.. and had big paws) and had spent only the first few weeks of his life on a farm - in fact, the farmer (who we believe beat the dogs with a belt and smoked a pipe*) gave him to my uncle who in turn gave him to us.

Well, one day, we were taking Bouncer on a walk and we came across a farm (we live in a very rural area - come to the UK and you'll see that there are farms everywhere!) and he jumped in and started rounding up the cows!
He also used to stalk the pidgeons that would fly into my back garden, much like a lionness stalks her prey (only Bouncer was doing it in clear view of the birds, up the garden path, while lionness' are usually hidden by tall grass)!

*We think this because
- Bouncer adored my dad and one day, after we'd had him for a few years, my dad came home from the pub and took his belt off and Bouncer immediately ran and hid under the table and simply would not come out
- My Uncle (not the one who picked Bouncer up) who Bouncer also liked smoked a pipe, and he would (again) hide under the table if my uncle got his pipe out

 

[Am_I_There_Yet]

Well, one day, we were taking Bouncer on a walk and we came across a farm (we live in a very rural area - come to the UK and you'll see that there are farms everywhere!) and he jumped in and started rounding up the cows!
He also used to stalk the pidgeons that would fly into my back garden, much like a lionness stalks her prey (only Bouncer was doing it in clear view of the birds, up the garden path, while lionness' are usually hidden by tall grass)!

When I lived in Florida, I had friend who had a Sheltie. I'd put Chloe in the backyard with her and they'd play.

She used to drive Chloe crazy though, because she wouldn't let Chloe get near the fence line. The Sheltie was always on the inside keeping Chloe beside her. It was funny to watch.

Chloe would try to fake her out by turning in the other direction. The sheltie would have none of it and would turn in the same direction and keep right on herding!

 

[VSL]

Chloe would try to fake her out by turning in the other direction. The sheltie would have none of it and would turn in the same direction and keep right on herding!

!

 

[foolishmortal]

I hear what you all are saying but I am speaking of my own experience with 4 dogs from 4 different places that all ct the same way because of ownership.

Others in my family also have a chow (supposedly mean), sharpeis (supposedly mean 1 person dogs), and a german shepard. NONE of them have ever did anything bad to me has a child growing up, or other kids in the family, and we are talking over 15 years of dogs and kids here.

I also grew up with a doberman in the house that I had for 12 years, and that was the biggest wuss of a dog ever, but by looking at her you would never know, but people just assumed she was mean, when that was further from the truth.

So you can throw websites, and such at me, but I have seen all different types of breeds which are all supposedly not good for families with kids and I have seen nothing but love from all these dogs!

I stand by the owner has more to do with it than anything.

Now do dogs have characteristics bred into them of course! But with training, persistance, and a loving enviroment those will not be brought.

 

[cindermomma]

First of all congrats on your new family member ! I was raised with pekingneses - so I LOVE small dogs ! When we got our last peke 7 years ago, we just constantly took him outside - like right after he drank and we waited until we saw him do his business - and then probably like every hour or hour and a half. We gave lots of praise when he went. He has never once had an accident in the house - not even during training! So, I would say just take him out lots and give lots of praise (we used puppy treats). Best of luck and have lots of fun!

 

[Nana Annie]

OP -

You said the puppy was arriving on Thursday. Did you get her? Let us know how she is doing. And pics would be great We all love puppy pictures.

 

[pugslee]

OP -

You said the puppy was arriving on Thursday. Did you get her? Let us know how she is doing. And pics would be great We all love puppy pictures.

 

[MommyPoppins]

Sorry, I'm just sitting here eating my humble pie. I took all your advice and talked to the owner. I was able to get a refund and I am going to be patient and wait until the right time/dog/breeder. Thanks everyone for your support.

 

[Nana Annie]

No need to eat humble pie!!!

Glad you could get a refund. The right puppy WILL come along. Contact the American Pomeranian Society and start interviewing breeders. Then get on their waiting list. Then, while you are waiting is a wonderful time to pick the brain of your breeder. You will be a Pom expert in no time!!

Good luck on your puppy search and keep us posted. And we need pics as soon as you get your puppy!

There is nothing as sweet as puppy breath

 

[VSL]

OP - I really hope you don't feel bad. I think that people just started posting frantically when they found out about the breeder because they didn't want you to get an unhealthy dog, which may have caused you and your family a lot of heartache in the future (I know it sounds cruel to reject a dog because it's not from the right background, but I think the only way to stop such breeders is to stop supporting them and also, you you have been the one to suffer).

 

[Am_I_There_Yet]

Sorry, I'm just sitting here eating my humble pie. I took all your advice and talked to the owner. I was able to get a refund and I am going to be patient and wait until the right time/dog/breeder. Thanks everyone for your support.

You're doing the right thing! And knowing that, will make your new puppy all the more special.

 

[Jynohn]

Amanda:

I know that must have been a tough decision to make, but I think you did the right thing. I wish my sister would have taken the same advice thought things through like you did. She loves her new puppy, but he is already having health problems and who knows what's coming down the road

I know in the end you'll be rewarded for your patience with a healthy puppy with a great temperament.

Good luck with your search!

Jynohn