I'm Done!!! Too Many Changes We Don't Like

[WDSearcher]

I did not feel your listed questions were biased and seemed to convey a genuine interest. However, your additional comment that the OP should simply "just not go" without announcing it in any way to this board suggests that you object to their right to express this opinion regardless of reason. I realize it was phrased as a question but it seemed rhetorical.

So long as the conditions of use of this board are met, the OP is within their rights to announce to this group of "strangers" whatever their heart desires to express.

Let's reverse it. If the OP had said, "The new changes have really been great for my family and I, for one will going more often"....Would you have listed five questions asking why they posted that?

Maybe -- but as I said above, people who post "I loved it" posts are generally pretty clear about the "why". When someone who has been a fan for decades suddenly declares they're "done" because of a change they've yet to experience themselves, that just seems to warrant questions.

If someone were to post, "I've hated Disney all my life, but I've read a couple articles about this FP+ thing, and I have just reworked my vacation budget to include annual trips to WDW for the foreseeable future" then, yes, I'd have been just as confused as to what kind of response the poster was hoping for there.

 

[agavegirl1]

Maybe -- but as I said above, people who post "I loved it" posts are generally pretty clear about the "why". When someone who has been a fan for decades suddenly declares they're "done" because of a change they've yet to experience themselves, that just seems to warrant questions.

If someone were to post, "I've hated Disney all my life, but I've read a couple articles about this FP+ thing, and I have just reworked my vacation budget to include annual trips to WDW for the foreseeable future" then, yes, I'd have been just as confused as to what kind of response the poster was hoping for there.

That is a fair assessment and reinforces my original thought that your questions are genuine. Maybe it is difficult for the OP to process the exact "reason" and their general level of frustration IS the reason. Your explanation is well said.

 

[Planogirl]

Maybe -- but as I said above, people who post "I loved it" posts are generally pretty clear about the "why". When someone who has been a fan for decades suddenly declares they're "done" because of a change they've yet to experience themselves, that just seems to warrant questions.

If someone were to post, "I've hated Disney all my life, but I've read a couple articles about this FP+ thing, and I have just reworked my vacation budget to include annual trips to WDW for the foreseeable future" then, yes, I'd have been just as confused as to what kind of response the poster was hoping for there.

Now you've told me more than once to just not go any more too. That is a valid suggestion but really not what I'm personally looking for. I want someone to suggest how best to deal with changes that cause me worry or at least to pat me on the back and tell me that it will be all right.

Seriously, I believe that like me, most people who come here in a tizzy are upset and confused about something and I always assume that they have good reason since I can't step into their world and see everything that they have to deal with. I believe that there are usually solutions or ways to handle uncomfortable situations - the big question is what are those?

Anyway, lecture over at least until the next meltdown.

 

[ArwenMarie]

Maybe -- but as I said above, people who post "I loved it" posts are generally pretty clear about the "why". When someone who has been a fan for decades suddenly declares they're "done" because of a change they've yet to experience themselves, that just seems to warrant questions.

Eh, FP+ isn't rocket science. It doesn't need to be "experienced" to get the idea. If people are accustomed to getting more than 3 FPs a day and now they are going to get 3, that's a decrease. Same for offsite complaints right now, etc. And there are plusses too of course, but what people see as a pro or a con, and how they all balance out depends on the person.

 

[WDSearcher]

Wait...... you can get me into the castle?

I'd certainly be a lot more popular if I could.

 

[WDSearcher]

Eh, FP+ isn't rocket science. It doesn't need to be "experienced" to get the idea. If people are accustomed to getting more than 3 FPs a day and now they are going to get 3, that's a decrease. Same for offsite complaints right now, etc. And there are plusses too of course, but what people see as a pro or a con, and how they all balance out depends on the person.

If everyone toured WDW in exactly he same way, I'd agree with you. And if we knew what the final parameters of FP+ were going to be as opposed to what's being tested, I'd also agree.

But neither of those things are the case at this point.

For the record, I get the frustration. We, as CMs have it as well. It would be nice if things could work perfectly and be complete out of the gate. It would make everyone's life easier.

 

[Colleen27]

Eh, FP+ isn't rocket science. It doesn't need to be "experienced" to get the idea. If people are accustomed to getting more than 3 FPs a day and now they are going to get 3, that's a decrease. Same for offsite complaints right now, etc. And there are plusses too of course, but what people see as a pro or a con, and how they all balance out depends on the person.

Exactly. I can't remember the last time we rode Test Track or Soarin' standby. Now we have to choose which ONE we want to use FP for. How that could possibly be spun as a positive by even the most die-hard Disney apologist is beyond me.

 

[Mommy2Corinne]

Exactly. I can't remember the last time we rode Test Track or Soarin' standby. Now we have to choose which ONE we want to use FP for. How that could possibly be spun as a positive by even the most die-hard Disney apologist is beyond me.

I totally agree.

 

[Mad Hattered]

If everyone toured WDW in exactly he same way, is agree with you. And if we knew what the final parameters of FP+ were going to be as opposed to what's being tested, I'd also agree.

But neither of those things are the case at this point.

For the record, I get the frustration. We, as CMs have it as well. It would be nice if things could work perfectly and be complete out of the gate. It would make everyone's life easier.

I totally respect you for that reply (for what that's worth in regards to me). I am a LONG TIME fan and visitor. I know you are in a precarious situation during the transition and I don't envy your position at all. But that being said, I surely hope you realize and understand that when someone posts something like this thread that it's not just meant to hurt Disney.

I LOVED WDW for what it was. Then I got disappointed in it for more than one reason. Then you add THIS to the mix and it's like a knife in the back at times. We really, really want to continue to like the place...but they are just making it soooooo hard to do so. You also have to understand that point, as we do yours.

It's the unknown that frustrates people. That isn't your fault, it's your employer's problem.

 

[cjbcam]

First off I'm going to say I have not read all posts in this thread but read a few about people not liking the ADR cc thing. I think that is an excellent change. Now people that don't intend to show up for an ADR that I couldn't get will probably cancel letting people that intend to show up get it. It's not greedy it's business and I would bet if it was your business you would do the same.

 

[k5thbeatle]

...I LOVED WDW for what it was. Then I got disappointed in it for more than one reason. Then you add THIS to the mix and it's like a knife in the back at times. We really, really want to continue to like the place...but they are just making it soooooo hard to do so. You also have to understand that point, as we do yours..

This!

 

[larryz]

They are still doing it but just cancelling the reservation before the CC charge hits them (24 hours before). So that guarantee doesn't make it any easier for you to land that "coveted" reservation you are trying to get at 30 or 100 or 180 days out.

Yes, when they cancel it you will have a chance to snag it. But then who knows what your plans are when it shows up available just 24 hours before?

So, to make the ADR credit card reservation work, WDW will have to actually charge peoples' cards when they make the reservation, then rebate the $10 per person when they actually pay their check.

I don't know anyone who would be foolish enough to pay 80 bucks just for the flexibility of having two sets of ADRs.

 

[Mad Hattered]

So, to make the ADR credit card reservation work, WDW will have to actually charge peoples' cards when they make the reservation, then rebate the $10 per person when they actually pay their check.

I don't know anyone who would be foolish enough to pay 80 bucks just for the flexibility of having two sets of ADRs.

Your scenario would definitely stop the situation. Or at least curb the abuse dramatically. Otherwise it's the same ole same ole (as long as you cancel 24 hours beforehand).

Due to FP+ they are requiring people to pay attention to their phone more than normal. The ADR hoarders have, and will adapt accordingly until they take the measures that you listed.

 

[bumbershoot]

Exactly. I can't remember the last time we rode Test Track or Soarin' standby. Now we have to choose which ONE we want to use FP for. How that could possibly be spun as a positive by even the most die-hard Disney apologist is beyond me.

That's what it is doing NOW. Who knows what they might be tweaking tomorrow or next week?

I make plans in advance. I fly across the country, and know that half of my fave attractions might all be down when I'm there. Or maybe they will be testing FP+ so it's alphabetic, and because we don't have one family name we can't ride any FP+ rides together. Etc. but maybe they will only be doing that for one day of the trip and not the rest. If I change my flights and go home because of it or cancel my trip because I assume that this is THE way it's going to be (despite how often things have changed and how often what people think is the new way has just been an error in the being-tested system) I would feel really foolish when I get home to find they've changed it yet again.

 

[WDSearcher]

I totally respect you for that reply (for what that's worth in regards to me). I am a LONG TIME fan and visitor. I know you are in a precarious situation during the transition and I don't envy your position at all. But that being said, I surely hope you realize and understand that when someone posts something like this thread that it's not just meant to hurt Disney.

I LOVED WDW for what it was. Then I got disappointed in it for more than one reason. Then you add THIS to the mix and it's like a knife in the back at times. We really, really want to continue to like the place...but they are just making it soooooo hard to do so. You also have to understand that point, as we do yours.

It's the unknown that frustrates people. That isn't your fault, it's your employer's problem.

Yes it is. And I admit that I live in that optimistic crazy little world where it all works out and a few months from now someone starts a thread titled: "FP+ -- Why Doesn't Everyone Have This?"

Yeah ... I'm a dreamer.

(And yes, MH ... I thank you for your respect and comments. Although again, you ARE mad, so it really could all turn on me at any second ...)

 

[robpa]

If the problem is people don't know where they want to eat 180 days out why not do away with ADR all together. I mean lots of people go out to eat every day all over the world but they aren't reserving it 180 days before hand. I think I know the reason why Disney does this but what does everyone else think?

 

[onelugnut]

Between FP+, not being able to get FP- for at decent times unless there before RD, the changes to GAC/DAS, and the new upcoming ADR CC policy, I really think no more visits to WDW. No longer a vacation. Anybody else feel the same?

Yup. Ditto

This will most likely be our last
This trip has been the worst to plan

 

[Mad Hattered]

Yes it is. And I admit that I live in that optimistic crazy little world where it all works out and a few months from now someone starts a thread titled: "FP+ -- Why Doesn't Everyone Have This?"

Yeah ... I'm a dreamer.

(And yes, MH ... I thank you for your respect and comments. Although again, you ARE mad, so it really could all turn on me at any second ...)

Thanks, WD. I'm not as evil as the person I play on TV sometimes. I truly love and have grown up with WDW. I just have an odd way of stating that I hope they realize what they might be doing is drawing a line in the sand.

If they were to draw a circle around themselves instead of just a line...well then I think that would be like trying to cross a moat. In the movies I've seen, the people can never get across the moat except for an exceptional few. It's like a sink or swim kinda thing.

I don't think Disney should blow up the bridge.

 

[robpa]

Thanks, WD. I'm not as evil as the person I play on TV sometimes. I truly love and have grown up with WDW. I just have an odd way of stating that I hope they realize what they might be doing is drawing a line in the sand.

If they were to draw a circle around themselves instead of just a line...well then I think that would be like trying to cross a moat. In the movies I've seen, the people can never get across the moat except for an exceptional few. It's like a sink or swim kinda thing.

I don't think Disney should blow up the bridge.

They already placed the TNT

 

[bookgirl]

Between FP+, not being able to get FP- for at decent times unless there before RD, the changes to GAC/DAS, and the new upcoming ADR CC policy, I really think no more visits to WDW. No longer a vacation. Anybody else feel the same?

Nope, not yet. Just got back and have another trip planned for March. Didn't have much a problem with the new systems. MB, FP+, DAS (or actually lack of a DAS since it no longer covers what my mom would have gotten a GAC for), I just worked the system as it stands. I'll keep watching the evolution and adjust my plans or go somewhere else, but as of now I don't see anything that will keep me from returning.

If you think the new policies ate too overwhelming for you, then you should quit going to WDW, there's nothing wrong with spending your money somewhere else if you'll get more enjoyment at another location.