If Florida repeals "The Reedy Creek Improvement Charter", how does that change Disney going forward?

[gorkt]

I think people here just sound….old. I mean, what ideas did your parents have that you find outdated and distasteful. Guess what, this is YOU now. Adapt or die.

 

[jjb1974]

I just checked and Song of the South is available on DVD at Amazon so you can still plop your kid down to watch it if you so choose.

The format of the media isn't really the point of the comment.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

In your perspective, what has Disney done recently thru storytelling that attacks societal values?

In fairness, much of it has not YET reached the storytelling. However, as I understand it, Disney did just green light a lesbian kiss in a childs movie. I consider that a societal issue.

I consider the changes in the parks to be societal issues. PoTC underwent a number of liberal changes and Jungle Cruise is still under way for similar changes. Of course, we won't mention Splash Mountain; although I think that one was due anyway.

The removal of Boys and Girls... are we getting rid of Princesses and Princes in the movies?

Ariel I guess is now adopted since she has a Spanish father, and she's black?

The halcyon days when I could just plop my kid down and breathe easy as "Song of the South" spun up on the VHS?

Fair point.

This may be true. But, I just cannot agree that this is a lot of smoke and no fire.

I think there has been a growing resentment (for lack of a better term) that every day folks have with the special privileges that large corporations get from government. I think this resentment can be seen in government action as small as local TIF districts, local condemnations for business and some fairly large, broad-scale examples. In the 2000s, there were bail outs for Wall Street, but not so much for Main Street (to use the parlance of politicos). The public noticed. In 2020, with COVID-19, the public health officials closed a lot of small businesses but your large corporations were able to keep their doors open. The public noticed again.

You do make a good point. Up to now, it would have been difficult to challenge RCID. Chapek basically handed them an open window.

 

[nancipants]

To be clear, this is not Republican vs Democrat. This is Conservative vs Liberal.

There is a DISTINCT difference. MOST people are somewhat more complex. For example, I am conservative on some issues, and liberal on others. I have a daughter who is Lesbian. I love her and support her no matter what. However, I am against teaching a 4 year old gender identity through planned curriculum. I am not a Republican or a Democrat, although I tend to lean more toward the former.

I think a large number of people who tend to identify with a party are actually more fluid based on the issues.

But what happens when an elementary school age kid tells their parents they are gender non-conforming, transgender, etc., and those parents (as is their right) allows their child to transition. The kids at school are gonna ask questions. I would imagine the teacher would have to tell the class the kid's new name, or the kid would do so themselves during class time. Can parents of the classmates then say the school is pushing a liberal agenda by allowing a kid to transition in their school?

That's why this law concerns me. It's very vague and even if nobody goes to court over it, teachers could easily get fired because of parental complains. Florida is an at-will employment state.

 

[pahoben]

The format of the media isn't really the point of the comment.

Neither was it mine. It was just a statement of fact.

 

[gorkt]

You want kids to embrace your values? This ain’t it chief. Repression of ideas never works, parental disapproval has the opposite effect. Abusing the legal system won’t keep a single child from being gay, it just keeps them from coming out. It just alienates your own children from you.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

But what happens when an elementary school age kid tells their parents they are gender non-conforming, transgender, etc., and those parents (as is their right) allows their child to transition. The kids at school are gonna ask questions. I would imagine the teacher would have to tell the class the kid's new name, or the kid would do so themselves during class time. Can parents of the classmates then say the school is pushing a liberal agenda by allowing a kid to transition in their school?

That's why this law concerns me. It's very vague and even if nobody goes to court over it, teachers could easily get fired because of parental complains. Florida is an at-will employment state.

You bring up fair nuances. As I said early on, I do not have a problem with the laws INTENT as I understand it - that gender identity should not be a PLANNED CURRICULUM. That does not mean that the law as written may not need adjustment. I am not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one on TV.

My problem is that DISNEY has no business here. This is a problem for the elected officials in Florida, the voters, and the courts. Disney does not in fact own the courts, nor does it employ teachers of elementary schools.

 

[starlite_]

In fairness, much of it has not YET reached the storytelling. However, as I understand it, Disney did just green light a lesbian kiss in a childs movie. I consider that a societal issue.

I consider the changes in the parks to be societal issues. PoTC underwent a number of liberal changes and Jungle Cruise is still under way for similar changes. Of course, we won't mention Splash Mountain; although I think that one was due anyway.

The removal of Boys and Girls... are we getting rid of Princesses and Princes in the movies?

Ariel I guess is now adopted since she has a Spanish father, and she's black?

So you don't think Disney should have removed what was basically women trafficking from one of it's more popular rides? Since you are against Disney involving themselves on societal issues.

A lesbian kiss is something a kid shouldn't see but Aurora and Phillip kissing is fine?

The exclusion of non-binary folks is fine for you?

Ariel being Black is a "societal issue" that shouldn't exist within Disney because , uh, guess Black folks shouldn't be mermaids in Disney movies?

Cause this is what you are implying and I really feel bad for your Lesbian daughter if you think her kissing a partner in public where kids are is somehow wrong.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

So you don't think Disney should have removed what was basically women trafficking from one of it's more popular rides? Since you are against Disney involving themselves on societal issues.

A lesbian kiss is something a kid shouldn't see but Aurora and Phillip kissing is fine?

The exclusion of non-binary folks is fine for you?

Ariel being Black is a "societal issue" that shouldn't exist within Disney because , uh, guess Black folks shouldn't be mermaids in Disney movies?

Cause this is what you are implying and I really feel bad for your Lesbian daughter if you think her kissing a partner in public where kids are is somehow wrong.

The question was where I feel Disney is injecting societal issues, not necessarily my agreement or disagreement with them. I am not going to make this an issue about my personal beliefs.

Agree or not, these are examples where Disney is changing things to appease, comment, or focus on societal issues.

 

[Fishaiden]

This bill, like all the CRT bills floating around, has nothing to do with parental rights. Most of the parents showing up to rant and rave about these non-issues could not find their school board building with a map prior to being whipped up into a frenzy by fox news and demagoging politicians. These are just the latest iterations of trying to convince people that the "others" are coming to steal your country and your way of life to motivate them to vote against their own interests. For those saying "do your research and read the bill," I would say go back a little further in your research and take a look at the history of the politicians and outside groups pushing these bills to understand what they are really about.

 

[DduzDis]

There was a time I could put on a specific and appropriate show on for the kiddos to watch. Now Disney through their short stories, commercials (whatever) promotes an agenda. I don’t feel my child needs to be Influenced about these subjects at such a young age. We are trying to raise critical thinkers who reach their own conclusions not programmed robots. Just my thoughts

Yep - if I have to preview everything Disney puts out for children before I trust it, that will be the end of our Disney+ subscription. It's sad when those who brought us 'The Wonderful World of Disney' can no longer be trusted for wholesome content.

 

[Kestryl]

The halcyon days when I could just plop my kid down and breathe easy as "Song of the South" spun up on the VHS?

Oh that’s a better example than mine! I first thought of Hunchback of Notre Dame. Genocide, racism, sin, lust… still got a G-rating, even with Frollo literally singing about his “desire” for Esmeralda. (And, you know, everything else.)

Pretty sure my parents still have the hand puppets from Burger King, I think.

 

[TiggerBouncy]

Ariel being Black is a "societal issue" that shouldn't exist within Disney because , uh, guess Black folks shouldn't be mermaids in Disney movies?

And thank you for putting words in my mouth to try to make me look bad by using a straw man argument. I never said I have any issue with Ariel's race. I actually said I was confused how her father was NOT black, but she is. The only way that works is if Queen Athena was black. EXCEPT that doesn't work either since they cast Athena's sister as white.

So they just kinda jumbled up all the genetics with no regard to the actual story. I mean it's been a while since I took genetics, but I don't think it's changed THAT much.

 

[DeeBee3]

But what happens when an elementary school age kid tells their parents they are gender non-conforming, transgender, etc., and those parents (as is their right) allows their child to transition. The kids at school are gonna ask questions. I would imagine the teacher would have to tell the class the kid's new name, or the kid would do so themselves during class time. Can parents of the classmates then say the school is pushing a liberal agenda by allowing a kid to transition in their school?

That's why this law concerns me. It's very vague and even if nobody goes to court over it, teachers could easily get fired because of parental complains. Florida is an at-will employment state.

I find it hard to believe that a Kindergarten student would ever think in these terms if a guardian/parent didn't inject those specific topics into their thoughts. Most 5 year olds just play and create. They don't have the complex thinking skills to go into the terms you mention.

 

[DCLMP]

They are shaking the skeletons out of the attic. Disney’s agenda is being exposed. It’s not a great look IMO

I always found it concerning that Disney killed off the parents in most of it's movies. I'm starting to see why now.

 

[DCLMP]

I never mentioned sex. I'm not talking about sex at all. I asked them about perspectives different than theirs. Never did I once thought or mentioned sex you weirdo.

If not thinking a 5-year-old should be taught gender identity and any topics that have to do with sex makes me weird then I'm happy to be weird.

 

[nancipants]

I find it hard to believe that a Kindergarten student would ever think in these terms if a guardian/parent didn't inject those specific topics into their thoughts. Most 5 year olds just play and create. They don't have the complex thinking skills to go into the terms you mention.

Well, it's the parents' prerogative to raise their kids the way they want to, right?

 

[Obi-J Kenobi]

Man, I miss the masking threads.

My head hurts...

 

[roctavia]

You bring up fair nuances. As I said early on, I do not have a problem with the laws INTENT as I understand it - that gender identity should not be a PLANNED CURRICULUM. That does not mean that the law as written may not need adjustment. I am not a lawyer, nor do I pretend to be one on TV.

My problem is that DISNEY has no business here. This is a problem for the elected officials in Florida, the voters, and the courts. Disney does not in fact own the courts, nor does it employ teachers of elementary schools.

Disney is one of the largest employees in the state of Florida, and those employees have families that are impacted by this legislation. It is a good thing for a corporation to advocate for their employees. Just like productions leaving states with restrictive laws that could harm their employees/ families.

I'm also sure the politicians are very happy to continue to have Disney's money involved in their campaigns...

And thank you for putting words in my mouth to try to make me look bad by using a straw man argument. I never said I have any issue with Ariel's race. I actually said I was confused how her father was NOT black, but she is. The only way that works is if Queen Athena was black. EXCEPT that doesn't work either since they cast Athena's sister as white.

So they just kinda jumbled up all the genetics with no regard to the actual story. I mean it's been a while since I took genetics, but I don't think it's changed THAT much.

You took a class on mermaid genetics??? Wow, I didn't realize we had actual real mermaids to study.... Maybe mermaids work differently than humans, since they are you know a magical creature that doesn't exist and skin tone might not follow typical genetic patterns.

Also in humans, there can be a lot of variance in how skin tones are expressed in mixed race families. If both parents are mixed race, their children can have a wide variety of different racial skin tone/traits depending on how the genetics shake out.

 

[DCLMP]

Disney is one of the largest employees in the state of Florida, and those employees have families that are impacted by this legislation. It is a good thing for a corporation to advocate for their employees. Just like productions leaving states with restrictive laws that could harm their employees/ families.

I'm also sure the politicians are very happy to continue to have Disney's money involved in their campaigns...



You took a class on mermaid genetics??? Wow, I didn't realize we had actual real mermaids to study.... Maybe mermaids work differently than humans, since they are you know a magical creature that doesn't exist and skin tone might not follow typical genetic patterns.

Also in humans, there can be a lot of variance in how skin tones are expressed in mixed race families. If both parents are mixed race, their children can have a wide variety of different racial skin tone/traits depending on how the genetics shake out.

What about the majority of employees that support the bill? The majority of voters also support the bill.