Idaho college murders

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Best I've got is that she didn't call police b/c she was worried about facing legal culpability for the possible substances in her system. Those substances both clouded her judgment and gave her bad judgment.

The only other thing I got is that more illegal things happened in that house on the regular related to substances - thus calling the frat brothers over for the discussion before the 911 call.

I mean, I'd hate to think her parents taught her so few life skills and yet let her go away to college and that she didn't call b/c she didn't know to do so. I mean, 911 is what you teach 5 year olds to call in an emergency.

That explains maybe why she didn’t call, but why was she spared? The guy surveilled them for months. All hours of the day. He must have known every person in the house and when they came and went, so he knew there were two more roommates in the house. Why would he leave them? I’m not placing blame on her, because we only know a fraction of the details, but at first glance this seems very odd. It’s doubtful, but maybe some of the victims would have lived if she reported it earlier. I try to look at all the sides, and I can’t make it make sense.

 

[DLgal]

there is a part of me that LOVES the fact that the accused who was working on his phd in criminology and has been described by multiple former and current friends/educators/students as very arrogant and self-impressed of his own intelligence/proactive to make certain others aware of it-found out today it was a wsu campus cop who thought to run the car description through the parking permit database.

This guy made a lot of mistakes. Stalking in his own car in the day and age of Ring cameras everywhere? Leaving he leather knife sheath on the bed??? Coming back to the scene of the crime a few hours later?

 

[DLgal]

I don’t get how he goes through all that effort to “learn” & then leaves a knife sheath with dna? The whole thing is so bizarre.

Rookie move. He wanted to be caught, is my guess.

 

[GreatLakes]

Best I've got is that she didn't call police b/c she was worried about facing legal culpability for the possible substances in her system. Those substances both clouded her judgment and gave her bad judgment.

The only other thing I got is that more illegal things happened in that house on the regular related to substances - thus calling the frat brothers over for the discussion before the 911 call.

I mean, I'd hate to think her parents taught her so few life skills and yet let her go away to college and that she didn't call b/c she didn't know to do so. I mean, 911 is what you teach 5 year olds to call in an emergency.

I'd hate to think her actions might have cost a life. I'm not sure if anyone that was stabbed was savable at that point but my God, you need to try.

 

[barkley]

That is the part I have a hard time understanding. I know more may come out but I'm trying to image a scenario where I hear sounds that are suspicious, then see a masked man in my home, and don't think to do something other than go to bed when they leave. If she was too scared to go into the room he just exited why go back to bed? Further how do you call the police and tell them their visibly stabbed roommates were "unconscious".

I'm trying to put myself in that place and I can't imagine not checking in on my roommates or at the very least calling/texting them to see what the heck was going on. It is very bizarre.

it's strange for sure but there was an established habit of random people being in the house all days and hours to the extent that the police had responded to a noise complaint by the neighbors 10 weeks before the murders to find a party going on with NONE of the roommates even present. if she had been drinking or imbibing in something she might not have been as 'frozen with fear' in the moment as she was after the fact when questioned by police AFTER learning what had transpired. she might have blown it off, locked the door and crashed out asleep. i know-the guy was wearing 'a mask' but we had VERY COLD weather hit us early this year and that week in moscow it was getting down to around 16 degrees overnight so seeing someone with a ski mask on their face as they exit a house is really not unusual.

my oldest shared a house with 7 other people in college and there was never a point in time some roommate wasn't making some kind of noise-they all acclimated to it and just ignored.


i'm interested to learn how one person managed to take out four-they haven't released the full autopsies so i wonder if he may have snuck in and somehow sedated them. he was supposedly there for such a short period of time so how he managed to stab to death each one without alerting another is perplexing. i'm wondering maybe a hypodermic of something or a cloth with cholorform over the face (there are plenty of vet supply places local that sell to the public). could explain hearing the one victim whimpering and crying vs. screaming which i think would be the normal reaction.


time will hopefully tell.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

With a knife like that, there was little hope anyone could survive such a savage attack.

I don’t understand not calling 911, either.

There were stories out that when she finally did call 911, she passed out, and a friend picked up the phone and finished the 911 call, saying the caller was “unconscious” (apparently after seeing the bodies).

We probably won’t know exact details until the trial, as others have said, unless more trickle out.

 

[DLgal]

I'd hate to think her actions might have cost a life. I'm not sure if anyone that was stabbed was savable at that point but my God, you need to try.

She could have been high as heck, and not sure of what she even saw. We don't know. There has to be a good reason why she didn't call 911 earlier and why she panicked when she found her roommates like that and didn't call 911 right away. Some people have no coping skills in stressful situations.

The police have said they are confident that the other 2 roommates are not suspects, but that could also be a lie, I suppose. Maybe they had some sort of involvement and forgot what they were "supposed to do." Who knows at this point. It is odd that Brian asked who else had been arrested.

 

[GreatLakes]

She could have been high as heck, and not sure of what she even saw. We don't know. There has to be a good reason why she didn't call 911 earlier and why she panicked when she found her roommates like that and didn't call 911 right away. Some people have no coping skills in stressful situations.

The police have said they are confident that the other 2 roommates are not suspects, but that could also be a lie, I suppose. Maybe they had some sort of involvement and forgot what they were "supposed to do." Who knows at this point. It is odd that Brian asked who else had been arrested.

I don't think she is a suspect, though who know with this kind of drama filled case, but it just seems so off to me.

it's strange for sure but there was an established habit of random people being in the house all days and hours to the extent that the police had responded to a noise complaint by the neighbors 10 weeks before the murders to find a party going on with NONE of the roommates even present. if she had been drinking or imbibing in something she might not have been as 'frozen with fear' in the moment as she was after the fact when questioned by police AFTER learning what had transpired. she might have blown it off, locked the door and crashed out asleep. i know-the guy was wearing 'a mask' but we had VERY COLD weather hit us early this year and that week in moscow it was getting down to around 16 degrees overnight so seeing someone with a ski mask on their face as they exit a house is really not unusual.

my oldest shared a house with 7 other people in college and there was never a point in time some roommate wasn't making some kind of noise-they all acclimated to it and just ignored.


i'm interested to learn how one person managed to take out four-they haven't released the full autopsies so i wonder if he may have snuck in and somehow sedated them. he was supposedly there for such a short period of time so how he managed to stab to death each one without alerting another is perplexing. i'm wondering maybe a hypodermic of something or a cloth with cholorform over the face (there are plenty of vet supply places local that sell to the public). could explain hearing the one victim whimpering and crying vs. screaming which i think would be the normal reaction.


time will hopefully tell.

The bolded is true but at the same time she said she "froze in fear" not that she didn't think anything of it. That is one of the many things that just doesn't add up to me. She was frozen in fear yet didn't do anything to at the very least see what was going on in the house. Time will hopefully tell for sure.

 

[LSUmiss]

it's strange for sure but there was an established habit of random people being in the house all days and hours to the extent that the police had responded to a noise complaint by the neighbors 10 weeks before the murders to find a party going on with NONE of the roommates even present. if she had been drinking or imbibing in something she might not have been as 'frozen with fear' in the moment as she was after the fact when questioned by police AFTER learning what had transpired. she might have blown it off, locked the door and crashed out asleep. i know-the guy was wearing 'a mask' but we had VERY COLD weather hit us early this year and that week in moscow it was getting down to around 16 degrees overnight so seeing someone with a ski mask on their face as they exit a house is really not unusual.

my oldest shared a house with 7 other people in college and there was never a point in time some roommate wasn't making some kind of noise-they all acclimated to it and just ignored.


i'm interested to learn how one person managed to take out four-they haven't released the full autopsies so i wonder if he may have snuck in and somehow sedated them. he was supposedly there for such a short period of time so how he managed to stab to death each one without alerting another is perplexing. i'm wondering maybe a hypodermic of something or a cloth with cholorform over the face (there are plenty of vet supply places local that sell to the public). could explain hearing the one victim whimpering and crying vs. screaming which i think would be the normal reaction.


time will hopefully tell.

That’s what I was thinking is that in retrospect she remembered what she had seen but didn’t really think it was that big of a deal at first. But why not call the police first before the frat boys?

 

[DCLMP]

Best I've got is that she didn't call police b/c she was worried about facing legal culpability for the possible substances in her system. Those substances both clouded her judgment and gave her bad judgment.

The only other thing I got is that more illegal things happened in that house on the regular related to substances - thus calling the frat brothers over for the discussion before the 911 call.

I mean, I'd hate to think her parents taught her so few life skills and yet let her go away to college and that she didn't call b/c she didn't know to do so. I mean, 911 is what you teach 5 year olds to call in an emergency.

Maybe she was used to her roommates having guys spend the night. One night stands are not uncommon for that age group....and a mask on a guy...also not that weird these days due to Covid phobia...but weird if your hooking up with someone. Maybe she was too drunk too process all that.

The police had been called to this house multiple times for loud parties. Obviously they were all really drunk that night. I was this age a hundred years ago and I can't say any of my bad choices were because my parents were negligent.

 

[theluckyrabbit]

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I mean, I'd hate to think her parents taught her so few life skills and yet let her go away to college and that she didn't call b/c she didn't know to do so. I mean, 911 is what you teach 5 year olds to call in an emergency.

There are people in college whose lack of common sense and life skills would surprise you. When I was in college, one of the sorority houses had a small fire (started by a curling iron or some such appliance). The girls wasted precious time arguing whether to call 911 (emergency) or 411 (telephone information). They really didn't know what to do. By the time they figured out which number to call, the fire had spread. By the time the fire department arrived, the whole house was on fire.

 

[Disneytrippin']

just saw a report where it was said his home state is now looking into unsolved cases to see if there could be any connection to him b/c based on the profiles of these types it's almost unheard of to have one start out with a quadruple murder.

I was talking to my family about this. How would someone successfully stab 4 people to death without the fear of being caught if it were their first time? One person maybe, but not 4.

 

[snikki]

That explains maybe why she didn’t call, but why was she spared? The guy surveilled them for months. All hours of the day. He must have known every person in the house and when they came and went, so he knew there were two more roommates in the house. Why would he leave them? I’m not placing blame on her, because we only know a fraction of the details, but at first glance this seems very odd. It’s doubtful, but maybe some of the victims would have lived if she reported it earlier. I try to look at all the sides, and I can’t make it make sense.

Maybe he did it to throw off investigators and have two “suspects” in the home. The two survivors were most likely initial suspects. People who find a body are questioned immediately to rule out as suspects.

 

[LSUmiss]

I was talking to my family about this. How would someone successfully stab 4 people to death without the fear of being caught if it were their first time? One person maybe, but not 4.

But otoh I thought maybe that’s why he made so many mistakes & ended up leaving a survivor.

 

[DLgal]

But otoh I thought maybe that’s why he made so many mistakes & ended up leaving a survivor.

Weren't there 2 survivors?

 

[Disneytrippin']

Weren't there 2 survivors?

Yes. The two roommates on the first floor.

 

[LSUmiss]

Yes. The two roommates on the first floor.

Oh I didn’t know the 2nd was also home too. So what has she said about that night?

 

[Disneytrippin']

Oh I didn’t know the 2nd was also home too. So what has she said about that night?

Nothing has been said so far other than speculation that Bethany may have been the one to call 911 while Dylan was passed out.

 

[WEDWDW]

Yes. The two roommates on the first floor.

It turns out that only one Roommate Bethany,lived on the first floor.

Dylan and Xana on second.

Maddie and Kaylee on third

 

[LSUmiss]

It turns out that only one Roommate Bethany,lived on the first floor.

Dylan and Xana on second.

Maddie and Kaylee on third

So which one saw him?