I was very impressed with the President's speech tonight

[Elwood Blues]

I thought he did a great job. I saw part of Kerry's speech. Well only as much as I could take before switching to Sponge Bob.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by jjskribs
Dawn........ Senator Kerry talked about a lot of other things tonight besides Vietnam. The point he made about Vietnam was that Cheney received deferrment after deferrment. How dare he attack John Kerry's service to this country. I find "chicken hawks" like Cheney to lack credibility.

I certainly didn't here Cheney attack Kerry's service to this country. I do have to say however that many commanders went AWOL from their hospital beds to return to their troops. DH never heard of one to use "three purple hearts and your out", to get home. What Kerry did when he returned home was deplorable but thats a road we have been down a few times.

 

[AirForceRocks]

The point he made about Vietnam was that Cheney received deferrment after deferrment. How dare he attack John Kerry's service to this country. I find "chicken hawks" like Cheney to lack credibility.

Could you please provide a link to where VP Cheney has attacked Senator Kerry's military service?

 

[Elwood Blues]

Originally posted by jjskribs
Dawn........ Senator Kerry talked about a lot of other things tonight besides Vietnam. The point he made about Vietnam was that Cheney received deferment after deferment. How dare he attack John Kerry's service to this country. I find "chicken hawks" like Cheney to lack credibility.

Are you completely satisfied with Kerry's record (military, post military and elected public service)?

I've heard quite a few on the right (here and elsewhere) being critical of certain Bush policies and actions but I can't really recall anyone on the left being critical of anything Kerry has done.

Or did I fall asleep when that happened?

 

[disney4us2002]

EB, you haven't been asleep. It isn't about pro-Kerry; it's about anti-Bush. Kerry is irrelevant.

 

[DawnCt1]

Originally posted by disney4us2002
EB, you haven't been asleep. It isn't about pro-Kerry; it's about anti-Bush. Kerry is irrelevant.

That is exactly right. The left found a "vessel", (Kerry) for their hate. The problem is, the American people are discovering the vessel is empty and there is nothing behind the man. Kind of like the Wizard of Oz.

 

[LisaSt]

Well I have not followed it much only what we see on the news and in the media which is biased. Mind you the statement about nothing being behind Kerry also goes for Bush the only thing behind him again from what we get here in Canada from your news etc is that your husbands and sons and wives are over in Iraq dying for a war that is terribly unjust according to many news casts and shows we see about it. Sorry politics does nothing for me and the badmouthing that has gone on between your candidates makes me laugh wetehr then approve of the campain ads or not it is really stupid publicity for the both of them.

 

[luvthatduke]

It's the Dubya we know & love!!

A grand slam for our President

And in agreement with the previous post:
"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain..."

Landslide, anyone??

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by DawnCt1
That is exactly right. The left found a "vessel", (Kerry) for their hate. The problem is, the American people are discovering the vessel is empty and there is nothing behind the man. Kind of like the Wizard of Oz.

Oh, I completely agree. . .though they'll never never admit it, will they!

 

[Tuffcookie]

I was very impressed with him tonight! When he went to New York City, after 9-1-1 and talked with families who had lost loved ones, you could see he was very emotional. We NEED a president who has compassion but can still make the tough decisions to keep this country safe. And the bottom line is...yes, there are other issues to be addressed but if we don't have homeland security what good is all the rest?

TC

 

[luvthatduke]

To my Canadian friend:

"Well I have not followed it much only what we see on the news and in
the media which is biased..."

"...from what we get here in Canada from your news etc
is that your husbands and sons and wives are over in Iraq dying for
a war that is terribly unjust according to many news casts and shows we see about it."

I believe you answered yourself?

Blessings

 

[LisaSt]

lovethatduke thanks I think LOL.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by Tuffcookie
I was very impressed with him tonight! When he went to New York City, after 9-1-1 and talked with families who had lost loved ones, you could see he was very emotional. We NEED a president who has compassion but can still make the tough decisions to keep this country safe. And the bottom line is...yes, there are other issues to be addressed but if we don't have homeland security what good is all the rest?

TC

I completely agree with you! However, the Democrats keep harping about our Domestic issues. Here, the administration talked about brand new initiatives and programs that are in the works domestically, as well. The democrats, imo, just hate him in a visceral way, though they won't admit it. (A certain poster on another thread said, "Do i hate Bush? No. Loathe him? Yes." hahaha.)

I was so impressed with the entire convention. It was spectacular. Those that still aren't impressed with Bush are those that have no understanding that 9-11 was the watershed event of our lifetimes so far. This critical issue defines everything else. They don't get it.

 

[LisaSt]

Ok so where does 9-11 rate to say Pearl Harbour I would have though that would have been higher on the list than 9-11 but who knows. Especially for what that represented to your country and the the second wold war.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by LisaSt
Ok so where does 9-11 rate to say Pearl Harbour I would have though that would have been higher on the list than 9-11 but who knows. Especially for what that represented to your country and the the second wold war.

i'm sorry, i wasn't clear. WWII was not in my lifetime. I almost said "century", but 9-11 happened this century, and WWII last century.

9-11, as did WWII for the generation before us, is the watershed event of our lifetimes so far (better?)

Let me explain: Whether we want 9-11 to have that much importance in our lives, it DOES have that much importance. It has changed the way we think. For those of us who may have felt invincible, it made us feel vulnerable. For those of us who weren't even certain we had an enemy, were able to see that we did have one. It also made us ANGRY. . .not scared. . .this point isn't addressed sometimes. We aren't "scared" as much as really really PO'd!) It changed our policies, our expectations. This terror attack was the culmination of so many other terror attacks. . . the "final straw".

If you watched Bush' speech, you would have seen that he addressed how 9-11 changed everything. I don't think I'd be incorrect to say that his explanation of 9-11's importance is exactly how most of his supporters feel. I think you may have missed the speech, but it's already posted on the web, so you can do a search and read it yourself.

 

[mommytutu]

Originally posted by LisaSt
Ok so where does 9-11 rate to say Pearl Harbour I would have though that would have been higher on the list than 9-11 but who knows. Especially for what that represented to your country and the the second wold war.

To me, 9/11 ranks higher. It was an attack that caught us comepletely by surprise. At least with WWII, we knew there was a war going on. On Septmeber 10, we had no idea that someone hated us so much. Another difference would be that with Pearl Harbor, we could declare war on a country...with 9/11, what the hell do we do? Who declared war on us and who do we declare war on? The circumstances surrounding the two events are different. It's a few days short of 3 years since 9/11 and I still cry when I hear and read stories of the families. I still get a lump in my throat as if I want to throw up from disgust with terrorists. I haven't forgotten the exact moment my FIL called on 9/11 and dh called me out of bed to watch TV and my emotions haven't changed. Maybe that's how some people still feel about Pearl Harbor, I don't know, but from conversations with dh's Nana 9/11 was a different deal all together.

Anyways, I really try not to mix my Disney with my politics.

 

[MinnieYC]

Originally posted by Kendra17
Those that still aren't impressed with Bush are those that have no understanding that 9-11 was the watershed event of our lifetimes so far. This critical issue defines everything else. They don't get it.

I'm sorry, but that is simply wrong. September 11, 2001 happened in my home town! The place where I was born and raised, and the place I love more than anywhere else in the world. I've spent countless hours in downtown Manhattan in the vicinity of the towers, and even in the towers, as I had several relatives who worked in them. I was in downtown Manhattan the day it happened, I saw the burning towers from my window at work, and I saw what remained of the towers first hand right after they fell. Later I visited Ground Zero too many times to remember.

My father is an emergency room physician. He originally had September 11-13 off from work. But he decided to volunteer his time without pay, in the hopes that he could help with the many people to save. With this anticipation, I volunteered to lend a hand with some of the clerical and other miscellaneous work, as I'm familiar with this particular emergency department, and I got the days off from work. But after the first few hours of the attacks, the beds and stretchers remained empty, with their crisp, white sheets untouched. No ambulances came. The shelves remained fully stocked with unused supplies. The gut feeling I got is one I'll never forget.

I lost close family friends that day. We still miss them, and mourn for them. Yes, the United States as a nation pulled together after 9/11. But the people of New York pulled harder. We did it for our beloved city. For each other. Not for the sake of any politician or because of their influence, whether it was Bush, Giuliani, Hillary Clinton, or any of the rest of them. It was for us.

I'm sorry if you think that because I will not be voting for Bush that I have "no understanding" of 9/11. That is just wrong. I didn't see 9/11 through a television screen. I was there. I know fully well what happened that day.

 

[Kendra17]

Originally posted by MinnieYC
I'm sorry, but that is simply wrong. September 11, 2001 happened in my home town! The place where I was born and raised, and the place I love more than anywhere else in the world. I've spent countless hours in downtown Manhattan in the vicinity of the towers, and even in the towers, as I had several relatives who worked in them. I was in downtown Manhattan the day it happened, I saw the burning towers from my window at work, and I saw what remained of the towers first hand right after they fell. Later I visited Ground Zero too many times to remember.

My father is an emergency room physician. He originally had September 11-13 off from work. But he decided to volunteer his time without pay, in the hopes that he could help with the many people to save. With this anticipation, I volunteered to lend a hand with some of the clerical and other miscellaneous work, as I'm familiar with this particular emergency department, and I got the days off from work. But after the first few hours of the attacks, the beds and stretchers remained empty, with their crisp, white sheets untouched. No ambulances came. The shelves remained fully stocked with unused supplies. The gut feeling I got is one I'll never forget.

I lost close family friends that day. We still miss them, and mourn for them. Yes, the United States as a nation pulled together after 9/11. But the people of New York pulled harder. We did it for our beloved city. For each other. Not for the sake of any politician or because of their influence, whether it was Bush, Giuliani, Hillary Clinton, or any of the rest of them. It was for us.

I'm sorry if you think that because I will not be voting for Bush that I have "no understanding" of 9/11. That is just wrong. I didn't see 9/11 through a television screen. I was there. I know fully well what happened that day.

I certainly can't argue your experience. For your loss and grief, I'm sorry.

I firmly believe--and I realize they are only my beliefs--that those that don't see 9-11 as the defining event of our lifetimes do NOT get it's larger impact. You pulled together--which is wonderful--for yourselves and not for any politicians. On a similar scale, we ALL pulled together. You grieved, but you don't hold the monopoly on grief.

In the larger picture, 9-11 had an astounding impact all over this country--all over the world. My point before, whether you agree or not--is that, like WWII, we fight the enemy and don't cower or wait for the next attack. 9-11 was huge, but it definitely wasn't the first attack. . .it was only the most successful of countless other attacks. . .for SO many reasons.

When I said, "they don't get it", I meant just that. It changed our world--present and future. That's what you still might not get, New Yorker or not. From now on, we don't accept terrorism. . .we did before 9-11, but we won't anymore. I'm not sure this is an arguable point, really. You don't get why we feel the way we do. . .we've continually tried to explain it--as Bush did tonight-- but you still don't believe our present foreign policy's justifiable, and we certainly do believe it is.

 

[MinnieYC]

Originally posted by Kendra17
When I said, "they don't get it", I meant just that. It changed our world--present and future. That's what you still might not get, New Yorker or not. From now on, we don't accept terrorism. . .we did before 9-11, but we won't anymore. I'm not sure this is an arguable point, really. You don't get why we feel the way we do. . .we've continually tried to explain it--as Bush did tonight-- but you still don't believe our present foreign policy's justifiable, and we certainly do believe it is.

Please don't say what I "get" or "don't get." I don't claim to "get why" you feel the way you do, and neither should you claim to know why I have certain political beliefs.
I KNOW the impact of 9/11, and I KNOW that it was a major worldwide event. Perhaps you feel that you must support Bush to realize this, but that is not the case. The impact of 9/11 is felt among ALL, regardless of political status. In my lifetime, it has unfortunately been the most major event. I never claimed to hold a monopoly on grief, but the fact is, while 9/11 was a loss for the nation, it held (and still holds) a different impact for the people of New York and the surrounding areas.

Fewer than 10% of New York City residents are registered Republicans (NYC has a population of over 8 million, for reference). Do you feel that the rest of the city "doesn't get" 9/11, because they may not feel that Bush is the best choice for President?

So, feel that I am wrong. Feel that I am not making the right choice when I cast my ballot for Kerry. Frankly, I don't care if you do. But don't tell me what I "get" or "don't get." And don't tell me that I "accept terrorism." You are so far off from the truth.

 

[tar heel]

I'll admit that math was my weakest subject, but . . .

. . . I still don't get how we can add programs, fight a very expensive war that shows no signs of ending and lower taxes and it not affect the country's future.

Interesting comment about "behind the curtain" b/c that's EXACTLY the way I think of Bush. Remember the people of Emerald City thought the wizard was big and strong and would take care of them, but he was really just a man who was made to look like more and who said big things.