I want a goldendoodle or a labradoodle....

[Lanshark]

Anyone have any pictures?

 

[miste76]

Once the non-ethical breeders learn of the popularity of the breed and the value of the pups, you can be darn sure that the market, and soon the shelters, will be flooded with doodles.

Unfortunatly, the unethical breeders have already realized the money that can be made on this breed. The commercial breeders (puppymills) are breeding them already. They claim the dogs are quality and can only be called labradoodles if they are second generation (must have labradoodle parents.)
I think an earlier poster hit the mark when they stated that rescue groups/animal control organizations will see these as nothing more than a mix and will therefore not be adopted as quickly.

 

[babsandgator]

My three previous dogs have been rescues from the pound. All were wonderful pets. When we decided it was time to get another dog, we were hesitant to go to the pound because we had three young children and thought we'd be better off knowing something of the dog's history.

I started researching the right dog for our family. I really wanted a no/low shed, friendly dog and found the labradoodles and goldendoodles. I fell in love with the looks and personalities of these dogs. We were on a wait list for our first dog and paid $800 for him. He is a gorgeous, wonderful, laid back dog. Our 2nd doodle was a bit more expensive and had him shipped down from Canada. He is a silly, loveable, pet. Both dogs are easily trained, well behaved, loving animals!

I love these dogs and they were worth every cent! Why is it so wrong to go out and purchase a dog with all the qualities a person is looking for, regardless of what type of parents the dog has? Why is it wrong to purchase a mixed breed as opposed to a recognized breed if it meets all your needs? It boggles my mind how many people have a problem with the doodles.

The good breeders typically have been breeding either labs, retrievers, or St Poodles for years before breeding the doodles and know what they are doing as breeders. The doodles are highly intelligent dogs and many are put into service which is great for those who need service dogs but are allergic to them.

When I go to the pound (I'm always looking), I see that most of the dogs available are either pit bulls or chi's. I'd think there would be more of an outcry against pure bred breeders of these types of dogs. I think that the price of these doodle dogs is not out of line compared with other breeds of dogs. The high price is one way to ensure the dogs are well cared for and don't end up like so many others in shelters. When a family does need to rehome a dog, the breeders take the dogs back and help find the dogs homes. On the rare occasion a doodle does end up in a shelter, the discussion forums post the listings and these dogs usually don't last the day out in the shelter. Can't say that about some of those *pure bred* dogs.

I think myself very fortunate for being able to have the two best dogs I've ever owned. If shedding or allergies is an issue, this is the dog to have (although keep in mind, not all are hypoallergenic and some do shed - good breeders can help you select the right dog for your situation).

Barbara

 

[doodlelover]

that all akc registered dogs were bred together to create each different breed of dog recognized by the akc,,what in the world do you think akc is,, big deal,,they get ahold of dogs to register thru them and then people breed them to death breeding the health and the brains out of them,,these breeds goldendoodle and labradoodle are hybrids,,healthier then ANY akc breed, both these breeds are in the top 5most intelligent breeds in the world.Most doodle breeders have NO desire to have them recognized by akc,,it would defeat the whole reason for breeding these hybrids,,i personally have donated 5 dogs for service dogs to date and will continue to do so,,being recognized by akc doesnt mean diddley!!!!
as far as the cost,,,,my breeding dogs lab,goldens and poodle range from 800-1500.00 ,,it is only good business sense to charge the same as any reputable breeder charges these are popular breeds and as the saying goes you get what you pay for,,you can get them cheaper,,but if initial cost going to do any good if you dont have a breeder that stands behind its pup for its lifetime?? i think not,,good luck in your search, i hope you find you perfect doodle

 

[airhead]

"being recognized by akc doesnt mean diddley!!!!"(says doodlelover)

It does if you want to compete in any of their events.

 

[buddy&wooz]

So, is my cockapoo a cockadoodle now? When did that change?

(she's a sweetie by the way and I'd get another in a heartbeat.)

 

[KristiKelly]

miste76, There are different generations of both labra & goldendoodles. I got this info from the Goldendoodles.com

"Generations are F1 (retriever bred to a poodle) F2 (F1 bred to F1). etc. As sometimes an F1 is bred back to a poodle, called F1 backcross, the abbreviation used will be F1 B or simply the percentage of retriever to poodle - as in R25P75."

All are considered Goldendoodles or Labradoodles. Annabelle's mother was a Golden Retriever & father a Chocolate Standard Poodle. She is an Apricot Goldendoodle (F1) with more wavy hair and coloring more of a Golden, she is low shedding & does not effect our allergies.

Years from now, AKC may recognize this breed, but I personally hope not. The are so many variations of these breeds as far as coat type & coloring go. To become AKC, some traits (or variations) would have to be "worked out" for consistency. I think that is part of the beauty of a Doodle, no 2 really look the same. Yes, it is a crap shot as to what you will get. Some may shed a little, some may have more poodle coat, some may have more retriever coat, but for the most part they are low to no shedding. Annabelle does shed some, but after a bath I realize that I lose more hair daily than she does - LOL!

Lanshark, You can see a pic of Annabelle a few posts back.


A MUST have for all Doodle owners - a Swiffer!!! All this rain (from Francis) = MUD - a playground for Annabelle. I have to keep old towels by the door for whiping feet & the Swiffer. - LOL

 

[KathyTX]

Originally posted by KristiKelly

Priceless!!! Have a Doodly day!!!

That's got to be one of the sweetest faces I've ever seen.

 

[babsandgator]

<img src=http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4db31b3127ccebe19824940520000001610>
this is Flash the Goldendoodle

<img src=http://im1.shutterfly.com/procserv/47b4d627b3127cceb39d5e2595b70000001610>
Cooper the wonder Dood!

Can't say enough about these tremendous dogs!

 

[KristiKelly]

Bab & Jen, all these pics of doodles - I thought I was on the wrong board there for a second. LOL!

 

[phillybeth]

Originally posted by doodlelover
that all akc registered dogs were bred together to create each different breed of dog recognized by the akc,,what in the world do you think akc is,, big deal,,they get ahold of dogs to register thru them and then people breed them to death breeding the health and the brains out of them,,these breeds goldendoodle and labradoodle are hybrids,,healthier then ANY akc breed, both these breeds are in the top 5most intelligent breeds in the world.Most doodle breeders have NO desire to have them recognized by akc,,it would defeat the whole reason for breeding these hybrids,,i personally have donated 5 dogs for service dogs to date and will continue to do so,,being recognized by akc doesnt mean diddley!!!!
as far as the cost,,,,my breeding dogs lab,goldens and poodle range from 800-1500.00 ,,it is only good business sense to charge the same as any reputable breeder charges these are popular breeds and as the saying goes you get what you pay for,,you can get them cheaper,,but if initial cost going to do any good if you dont have a breeder that stands behind its pup for its lifetime?? i think not,,good luck in your search, i hope you find you perfect doodle

Hybrid vigor is a fallacy. And all of your careful breeding goes right out the window once these dogs are being produced in every puppymill in the country.
It is not the cost that I object to, but the fact that most (not all) doodles are coming from so-called breeders that are only in it for the quick profit, NOT the betterment of the dogs or the honest creation of a new breed.

BTW, how many generations do your doodles go back? I've heard that less than three generations and you can't guarantee ANY trait for inheritance in terms of non/low shed, coat, temperment, etc.

 

[KathyTX]

These three doodles are some of the cutest dogs I've ever seen.

No, they're not AKC recognized. But that does not matter to a family that's looking for a pet, and who values the qualities that these dogs have.

Standard poodles and Labs/Goldens are all loyal and intelligent family pets.

Folks who are looking to breed or show AKC standard dogs are looking for one set of qualities, families looking to add a big playful furball looking for a different set.

This isn't a debate about puppy mills; I don't think ANYONE here condones the practice of indiscriminately producing litter after litter of dogs like livestock, purely for profit. But the fact that the AKC doesn't recognize these mixes as a breed does not mean that the breeders or the owners are careless, and certainly doesn't qualify the breeders as "puppy mills."

As a lover of Labs, Goldens, and Standard Poodles, I would welcome any cross of these breeds into my home as a new family member. And an initial cost of $1000 is NOTHING compared to the cost of owning a pet over the years...

 

[phillybeth]

It's not the money or the AKC that I have a problem with. It's people thinking that doodles are a BREED. They are not. Not yet, anyway.

I have no objections to new breeds, but it takes years and years of development, breeding, weeding, evaluation, etc to develop a true breed. You can't just take two dogs, put them together, and expect consistent offspring time after time. People say they want doodles for their traits, well, if there is no breed development you cannot have consistent, reliable traits.

Obviously there is a need for a large, non-shed, family friendly dog. Right now the doodle may fit that niche. But without breeding, the doodle might not fit that niche much longer.

 

[skiwee1]

I can't imagine anyone paying that much for a mutt. That's what it is. I don't think those dogs are any different then any other mixed breed.

 

[TheOtherVillainess]

Hmm....
Horrible grammar and only ONE post which crops up in the doodle thread. His(her??)name is Doodle something or other.

*sniffsniff*

I think I smell a

TOV

 

[poohlover]

poohlover's DH at this point.....

We started with Rotties, paid min $1K each. Had 3, lost the last one (MY GIRL) at 10 mos due to bone cancer. For all u Rott fans out there, apparently this is becoming an issue, at least in CT. Then went to Mastiffs, had 2, still have one. Great dogs, short lived unfortunately. Then got on to Newfs, and we will stay there. Have 3 Mom, dad, & son. We always meant to breed them, but the first litter was an "oops".

I went to Canada fishing, DW & Kids went to WDW.I picked the dogs up at the kennel day before DW et al returned....I'll spare the graphics...let's suffice to say I learned the hard way our 9 mos old Newf came in to her first heat. 'least they were both Newfs!

All said and done, we had pups. Had to put one down for reasons not important here. Kept 1, sold 4. Sold them at an average of $ 1,250 each.

WOW, $, 5,000!!!! After all was said and done, when we figured up all the costs involved, whelping box, vet bills, food, etc, etc, we MAY have "made" $ 100 per pup. Six kids, won't pay for too much tuition like this!

Do it again?? Sure, these are Newfs! We aren't breeding for show at this point, just "lowly" pet dogs. Doesn't mean we aren't JUST as concerned about everything the "show" breeder is.


Wanna good dog, go to a breeder. Beware what you may get at "puppies plus". Good price, likely from a "mill".

TTFN, and what ever breed you like, buy well!


By the way... any Landseer owners out there???

 

[Jennifer S]

 

[phillybeth]

Poohlover and DH-

As a rescue volunteer, THANK YOU for being reputable, responsible hobby breeders.

No, you don't have to breed for conformation (show) to be a good breeder- quite the opposite. There are some show breeders I wouldn't take a dog from, because I know them too well unfortunately. And there are some wonderful hobby breeders (like yourselves) that produce beautiful, healthy, pet-quality pups, in loving homes.

Your tag line is right- "Whatever breed you like, buy well!" for those who want to buy a dog.

 

[KristiKelly]

little confused by the previous post by TheOtherVillainess.

Anyway, I'm not surprised this has turned into such a debate - that's why I've been wearing my heavy flame retardant suit all day.

So far, people are breeding these dogs for the pure love of the breed. No one has really pushed or really wants, for that matter, to be recognized by the AKC. I had an AKC registered Dalmatian, I think his papers are in a file cabinet somewhere, I certainly didn't have them framed.

These dogs (they are still dogs aren't they, even though they're not AKC recognized) have been bred for service dogs & allergy sufferers, they have proven themselves in this. On another board, there is a family with 3 doodles that have been trained for search & rescue. Others have been taken to hospitals to cheer up children with cancer & nursing homes to cheer up older folks. I don't think it takes AKC recognition to put a smile on someone's face.

I think the problem with some is that there is a new kid in town, a mutt at that , that people are falling head over heels in love with. Yes, they do cost, hopefully this will raise the question as to why they cost & those that aren't truly passionate about this breed will pass them by. That's right, pass them by, open the newspaper & pick out one of 60 AKC FOR SALE ads and buy that dog for $175.00. Personally, I think people would be much more inclined to put a dog in the pound that they'd pay $100-200 for over $800-1500.

I see why some of you don't approve & understand this. Just like others don't understand why people spend $1,000's a year to go to WDW. It's our choice & our passion. We are not asking others to buy doodles, we will offer all the info we can & even try to talk someone out of it, if they are not willing to make the lifetime commitment. No one wants to see these or any dogs over bred and end up in shelters. If this dog fits the lifestyle that someone needs so be it, let's not beat each other up over it.

Proud Doodle Mom!! Doodle kisses to all!!

 

[KristiKelly]

By the way, Sorry, I just learned how to post a pic today so I'm getting a little Picture Posting happy with Annabelle - but isn't she a cutie?!?