I thought Nicole Kidman had a son?

[Imzadi]

If ou listened to her speech, she thanked her younger ones because this project took her away from them so much. She wanted them to know there was a reason for it, as they're obviously too young to watch this piece of work. The award is tangible.

She thanked the people in her household and it was specific about her time away from home and their support in that.

As for her older kids, while they are her children, as adults and still Scientologists, I don't imagine they're close to her. Even if what Isabella said is true and they do talk, my guess is they're essentially strangers to each other.

Yes, just what I said. She thanked her two kids at home with her and what that situation is like for them.

 

[mjkacmom]

Actually @ronandannette I have been in a situation very much like that but it's not something I'm going to discuss here.

I'm simply stating my opinion on her, if that somehow offends you then oh well, sorry.

What else could she do? I'm sure the only reason she stayed as long as she did was for her kids, and he kicked her out, the kids were brainwashed, the organization is huge and powerful. What would you do? It would be like trying to break your kids out of jail, when they didn't want to leave.

Watching that documentary was a real eye opener, I feel so sorry for those that got out or got thrown out, losing their families.

 

[Imzadi]

I would love to know what Katie Holmes had on him, cause she got away and with her child, Thank God!

He's allegedly gay. (One has to use the word "alleged" when talking about Cruise or Scientology, or they sue you up the wazoo. ) According to Leah Remini and other sources who were Scientologists, one cannot be gay period. Homosexuality doesn't exist in Scientology. There is no such thing to them. There also aren't any mental illnesses, like autism, or whatever John Travolta's son had and died from. (Notice we haven't heard too much from them in regards to Scientology since their son died. And Kelly Preston did admit in public that their son had autism. It must be heartbreaking knowing he died from not having the proper treatment at the time, and it was due to their beliefs in that "religion." )

So if one has gay feelings or drives, they must get them documented during one of the MANY Scientology courses. Write it all down & get it verified, (so they have this all in Tom Cruise's own handwriting and witnessed,) and then they purge it out of him with vitamins & supplements and auditing and more courses.

If Cruise is allegedly gay and can't "get over it" with those vitamins & supplements, then the fault is HIS. If he admits to still having those feelings/drives/compulsions, (in their viewpoint, not mine,) then he is a shameful failure to Scientology and may be a Suppressive Person himself. Since he has spent so much time with this cult religion which has become a family to him, and has publicly announced over and over how much they have helped him and done for him, he can't have them turn away from him and shun him. And for some reason, he thinks being gay would affect his acting career. He'd lose EVERYTHING, if Scientology or Katie outed him with definitive proof.

There is a GREAT South Park episode on Tom being in the closet. It should be on YouTube. It is one of South Park's most famous & most watched episodes. Scientology can't sue them for satire.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

Yes, just what I said. She thanked her two kids at home with her and what that situation is like for them.

Great minds think alike! We must have been posting at the same time.

 

[Wishing on a star]

Nobody should underestimate the sheer evil and power, and reach of that organization.

I am so, so, so, sorry for both Nicole and her children who are all victims.

It is nothing short of amazing that Suri's mother managed to get her and her daughter out of there.
What she had to do was like some kind of war/spy novel.

 

[wenrob]

He's allegedly gay. (One has to use the word "alleged" when talking about Cruise or Scientology, or they sue you up the wazoo. ) According to Leah Remini and other sources who were Scientologists, one cannot be gay period. Homosexuality doesn't exist in Scientology. There is no such thing to them. There also aren't any mental illnesses, like autism, or whatever John Travolta's son had and died from. (Notice we haven't heard too much from them in regards to Scientology since their son died. And Kelly Preston did admit in public that their son had autism. It must be heartbreaking knowing he died from not having the proper treatment at the time, and it was due to their beliefs in that "religion." )

So if one has gay feelings or drives, they must get them documented during one of the MANY Scientology courses. Write it all down & get it verified, (so they have this all in Tom Cruise's own handwriting and witnessed,) and them they purge it out of him with vitamins & supplements.

If Cruise is allegedly gay and can't "get over it" with those vitamins & supplements, then the fault is HIS. If he admits to still having those feelings/drives/compulsions, then he is a shameful failure to Scientology and may be a Suppressive Person himself. Since he has spent so much time with this cult religion which has become a family to him, and has publicly announced over and over how much they have helped him and done for him, he can't have them turn away from him and shun him. And for some reason, he thinks being gay would affect his acting career. He'd lose EVERYTHING, if Scientology or Katie outed him with definitive proof.

There is a GREAT South Park episode on Tom being in the closet. It should be on YouTube. It is one of South Park's most famous & most watched episodes. Scientology can't sue them for satire.

(allegedly) Gay or not I do not think Suri is biologically his. For lack of a better word I don't think he's able to "produce" and that would surely be a failure to these people who have set him up to be head crazy pants. I have no basis for this other than little tidbits over the years and a gut feeling, the way he dumped Nicole and that Katie looks like she could be his sister.

 

[Imzadi]

It is nothing short of amazing that Suri's mother managed to get her and her daughter out of there.
What she had to do was like some kind of war/spy novel.

I had read that Katie's father is actually a divorce attorney. So he had made sure that the prenup was written in a certain way so they could later use it to ensure Katie got whatever she did get, once he helped her escape.

 

[Imzadi]

(allegedly) Gay or not I do not think Suri is biologically his. For lack of a better word I don't think he's able to "produce" and that would surely be a failure to these people who have set him up to be head crazy pants. I have no basis for this other than little tidbits over the years and a gut feeling, the way he dumped Nicole and that Katie looks like she could be his sister.

I agree. They couldn't fix that with all their vitamins & supplements.

 

[Imzadi]

The Church of Scientology is known for threatening and menacing people the rest of their lives. It's all well and good to think you know what you'd do in a situation like that but you really have no clue. Maybe the choice for her was to let her children have peace rather than trying to battle the brainwashing they were born into and the madness that is their father.

Scientology uses a machine called an E-meter. It basically works like a lie detector. After taking any course, and after dealing with a suppressive situation, members are hooked up to the E-meter to detect their responses to the situation.

Since Nicole is considered an Suppressive Person, probably after any visit she's had with them, Connor & Bella probably had to go through extensive reconditioning to make sure any positive affects & feelings they had with their visit with her were wiped out. It's not like they can HIDE or B.S. what they think & feel about her. The E-meter would detect it. I presume that if she mentions them in public, like thanking them, and they have positive feelings about that, they would be brought in for E-meter testing and again have those positive feelings reconditioned out of them. This isn't one person doing this mind control, it is a whole organization.

As stated above, perhaps to not have her children go through that continual trauma, Nicole pointedly doesn't mention them. This wasn't Nicole's first award win. Maybe she was very careful in setting up the current home situation she mentioned, SO that she could thank her two children at home and NOT mention Connor & Bella. Maybe it wasn't so coincidental how they were left out of her thanks.

 

[Erzengel]

I don't think Suri is his biologically child. I think Katie was already pregnant when they got together.

I feel that way too.

Cruise has been married twice to Mimi Rogers and Nicole Kidman. He adopted with Nicole. After both divorces, Rogers and Kidman were able to have children.

Conspiracy maybe. I use to think maybe he was gay, but from a lot of the interviews and specials on Scientology, I think he's just really into it or maybe asexual.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

What else could she do?

Try to kidnap her children, get caught, get sent to The Hole, and die mysteriously.

 

[wenrob]

Scientology uses a machine called an E-meter. It basically works like a lie detector. After taking any course, and after dealing with a suppressive situation, members are hooked up to the E-meter to detect their responses to the situation.

Since Nicole is considered an Suppressive Person, probably after any visit she's had with them, Connor & Bella probably had to go through extensive reconditioning to make sure any positive affects & feelings they had with their visit with her were wiped out. It's not like they can HIDE or B.S. what they think & feel about her. The E-meter would detect it. I presume that if she mentions them in public, like thanking them, and they have positive feelings about that, they would be brought in for E-meter testing and again have those positive feelings reconditioned out of them. This isn't one person doing this mind control, it is a whole organization.

As stated above, perhaps to not have her children go through that continual trauma, Nicole pointedly doesn't mention them. This wasn't Nicole's first award win. Maybe she was very careful in setting up the current home situation she mentioned, SO that she could thank her two children at home and NOT mention Connor & Bella. Maybe it wasn't so coincidental how they were left out of her thanks.

And we don't know that she didn't fight for her kids. She may very well have fought tooth and nail for them. Not everyone who fights for their kids wins. Just ask all those dads out there who have spent every last penny they have fighting for their kids to no avail. They're seen as victims and heroes but women who have their back up against a wall and have done everything they possibly could have are seen as failing and not trying hard enough.

 

[moon]

Do actors usually mention.their adult children?

Yes, all the time. Why wouldn't they be mentioned? They don't stop being their children and members of the family because they are adults

 

[JaneBanks]

It's possible that she didn't mention her adult children in fear of them suffering some kind of punishment.

 

[Mizzoufan]

Yes, all the time. Why wouldn't they be mentioned? They don't stop being their children and members of the family because they are adults

I have never seen it

 

[wenrob]

Yes, all the time. Why wouldn't they be mentioned? They don't stop being their children and members of the family because they are adults

Granted I don't watch award shows anymore but the only times I can think of actors mentioning their grown kids individually are if they are actually there at the ceremony, were involved in the project the award is for or have recently done something notable be it good or bad. Generally they mention their SO and their family. Given the history I'm not surprised at all that they weren't mentioned. Doesn't mean she doesn't love them. On the contrary, I think she loves them fiercely and is why she stays silent on the topic.

 

[NHdisneylover]

Hmm, I am not one to watch awards shows, but I looked for a clip in light of this thread. Seems like a non issue to me---even id Kidman were still married to the father of her adult children no longer living at home, mentioning them would not have been relevant in her comments about how filming the series took her away from home life recently and hopefully the award shows the kids (still at home, missing Mommy) a tangible reason why. I can't see any sort of malice or dislike for her older kids in that AT ALL.

As to the rest---yeah, I find it odd that a few posters seem so intent on painitng her as the bad guy somehow. Nohting in her history indicates she wanted to abandom her teen kids when Cruise left her, or that she had much, if any, choice in the matter. The way comments focus on a "mother abandoning her children" I feel the same vitrol would not be hurled towards a father in a similar situation--nor even towards one who clearly really DID stop seeing his kids in spite of a custodial parent trying to make it easier for him to do so and teens who wanted a close relationship with him---niether of which appears to be the case for Kidman.

 

[Disneylover99]

I thought Nicole's kiss on the lips with Alexander Skarsgard was more newsworthy, then the fact she didn't mention her adult children in her acceptance speech.

 

[Hikergirl]

Hmm, I am not one to watch awards shows, but I looked for a clip in light of this thread. Seems like a non issue to me---even id Kidman were still married to the father of her adult children no longer living at home, mentioning them would not have been relevant in her comments about how filming the series took her away from home life recently and hopefully the award shows the kids (still at home, missing Mommy) a tangible reason why. I can't see any sort of malice or dislike for her older kids in that AT ALL.

As to the rest---yeah, I find it odd that a few posters seem so intent on painitng her as the bad guy somehow. Nohting in her history indicates she wanted to abandom her teen kids when Cruise left her, or that she had much, if any, choice in the matter. The way comments focus on a "mother abandoning her children" I feel the same vitrol would not be hurled towards a father in a similar situation--nor even towards one who clearly really DID stop seeing his kids in spite of a custodial parent trying to make it easier for him to do so and teens who wanted a close relationship with him---niether of which appears to be the case for Kidman.

You can find it odd and that is OK.
It's funny, I thought the same people defending her actions as a mother would be the first in line screaming about it if it were a dad to do the same thing.

Just so you know, I have no respect for any parent who abandons their children, whether they are a mother or father. And yes I do consider what she did abandonment. I've read enough about her relationship with her kids with Tom to form that opinion. Just because you don't share it doesn't make what she did any less what it is.

 

[Magpie]

You can find it odd and that is OK.
It's funny, I thought the same people defending her actions as a mother would be the first in line screaming about it if it were a dad to do the same thing.

Just so you know, I have no respect for any parent who abandons their children, whether they are a mother or father. And yes I do consider what she did abandonment. I've read enough about her relationship with her kids with Tom to form that opinion. Just because you don't share it doesn't make what she did any less what it is.

Sure, because everyone's a hypocrite, right?

I can sometimes be pretty judgmental of celebrities, but I won't judge her for this one. Families are complicated, as I well know from my own family history. And no, even though my father chose not to visit me as a child, I don't feel "abandoned" by him. I don't think I would have necessarily benefited by having him be part of my life growing up, either. I just feel lucky I've finally gotten to know him as an adult.

I am sure, like most people of any gender, that she did the best she could, under the circumstances. Most everyone does. And, having seen a broken marriage from the inside, I'm not interesting in judging other people on how they handle the breakdown of theirs.

Plus, I sincerely hope she doesn't give a flip whether any of us have any "respect" for her. She's still getting work, winning awards, and apparently maintaining a marriage and home life. And it's clear, by this manufactured controversy (since she was obviously acknowledging the people directly impacted by her work on her latest film), that there's a lot of people with knives out, just waiting to pounce on her. Putting on my tinfoil hat here... I do wonder how much of this latest hullabaloo was created by the Scientologists. It'd be as simple as arranging for a few tweets, which are then picked up by non-Scientologists who don't like the woman anyway and are happy to believe anything bad about her.