I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[Muziqal]

All insults, no meat.

God loves us all unconditionally but like any loving parent, He has rules for our benefit. In God, we are all strong.

Talk about no meat.

Rrrrrrright...this is exactly why I'd love to meet you in person. These funny little quip responses you give out only work when you have a message board.

Proof your Absolute Truth exists then...that's all I ask from any god loving Christian. And proof that every other religion or spirituality is wrong.

Why is it that the believers in the bible are the only ones who feel they need to "save" the rest of the world. I don't get why most of you are so insecure.

You don't see a Buddhist ever start a thread like this!! Come to think of it, the really smart Jewish lady on here. She doesn't go out of her way to start threads like this.

But leave it to the Christian fascists and the Muslim fascists to create the hate in your country. If you weren't so busy trying to prove everyone else wrong all the time, you might have time to hear how incredibly zealous you sound.

So again:

1. prove you're right and they're wrong without a quote from your book of tales.

2. answer why you feel the need to do this? If your faith and love for him is strong, why so much effort here on the Dis?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

God's word has been translated several times over centuries. Jesus spoke using parables. Many lettes and events in the bible were not trabnscribed until years after the actual events,including the birth and death of Christ. To me it seems reasonable that something may have been lost in translation, omitted entirely or miscontrued over time. The bible is open to interpretation depending upon who is reading it and for what purpose. For example I think that you and your pal discernment are using the Lord and the Bible to spread your hate agenda which is not at all what any Christians that I know believe at all.

Your ignorance of the Bible's translation is surpassed only by your baseless accusation of a "hate agenda."

If you read the intro to most Bibles they will explain the painstaking care taken in translating the Bible.

 

[goofygirl]

I thought following Christ was about being on the side of those who are despised and rejected by the dominant culture.

Gays have gone through so much rejection. Jesus identified himself with the oppressed and those who suffered. To be on the side of homosexuals, and any other group who has suffered is to be Christian.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Talk about no meat.

Rrrrrrright...this is exactly why I'd love to meet you in person. These funny little quip responses you give out only work when you have a message board.

Proof your Absolute Truth exists then...that's all I ask from any god loving Christian. And proof that every other religion or spirituality is wrong.

Why is it that the believers in the bible are the only ones who feel they need to "save" the rest of the world. I don't get why most of you are so insecure.

You don't see a Buddhist ever start a thread like this!! Come to think of it, the really smart Jewish lady on here. She doesn't go out of her way to start threads like this.

But leave it to the Christian fascists and the Muslim fascists to create the hate in your country. If you weren't so busy trying to prove everyone else wrong all the time, you might have time to hear how incredibly zealous you sound.

So again:

1. prove you're right and they're wrong without a quote from your book of tales.

2. answer why you feel the need to do this?

You continue to hurl personal insults, but I'll answer your questions anyway.

I did not start the thread.

Chrisitian try to save everyone because Christ commanded it.

The Bible is not a book of tales -- it is the Word of God. People can choose to believe God's Word (or not) just as they can choose their lifestyle. God gave us all free will, but He also gave us guidance to choose wisely.

"Proof your Absolute Truth exists" is in the writings of the Bible itself.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I thought following Christ was about being on the side of those who are despised and rejected by the dominant culture.

Gays have gone through so much rejection. Jesus identified himself with the oppressed and those who suffered. To be on the side of homosexuals, and any other group who has suffered is to be Christian.

Following Christ is about doing the will of the Father, per the Word of God.

To be on the side of immorality is not Christian. Jesus healed and said "sin no more." Through His love many came to repentence.

 

[Muziqal]

You continue to hurl personal insults, but I'll answer your questions anyway.

I did not start the thread.

Chrisitian try to save everyone because Christ commanded it.

The Bible is not a book of tales -- it is the Word of God. People can choose to believe God's Word (or not) just as they can choose their lifestyle. God gave us all free will, but He also gave us guidance to choose wisely.

"Proof your Absolute Truth exists" is in the writings of the Bible itself.

Again, though if you find that the majority of people here in this thread disagree wiht your version of the truth, why waste all of His teachings on us? Your arguments don't sound like you're attempting to "save" anyone...only berating them. Outside of christianity we call that just tacky.

Just doesn't make sense to me...why attempt to save those who say "Thanks, but no thanks"? You're as persistent as a used car salesman (personal insult #5). It almost seems like you're getting some sort of enjoymont from it as well. That's odd...no?

You say your bible is true...the majority of the world does not. I asked for proof besides the book in your nightstand. And proof everyone else is wrong. Listen, my friend, listen.

 

[jimmiej]

Originally Posted by auntpolly
I'm just starting to notice people who pay so little attention to what Jesus did say was a sin, and so much attention to what he never said at all!

Paul wrote the NT Scripture re: sexual sins. I know some of you don't regard his writings as Scripture. You say we should follow ONLY the teachings of Jesus. Here's what Paul wrote to the church in Galatia:

Galatians 1
1Paul, an apostle—sent not from men nor by man, but by Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him from the dead— 2and all the brothers with me, 3Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, 4who gave himself for our sins to rescue us from the present evil age, according to the will of our God and Father, 5to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!
10Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ.
11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

Paul spent two years after his Damascus Road experience receiving a revelation from Christ. And remember, prior to this, Paul was a devout and well-educated Jew. He hated Christianity and even stood by (holding the murderer's cloaks) while others stoned Stephen to death, a disciple of Christ.

*Sorry for the long Scripture. I wanted to leave it in context. I highlighted the part I wanted to emphasize.

 

[Muziqal]

JimmieJ, you made it back! Would love to meet up with you and JoeEpcot over a coffee sometime!

And please, don't interpret this as me wanting to "punch you in the nose" again. After those 4 PMs last night, it really sounded like I got under your skin with an innocent comment.

So, over to you...why the need to try and prove everyone else wrong?

 

[goofygirl]

"Saving", all this talk about "saving"..... Christians are taught to "save".

How far must you go to save? Pointing your finger and yelling at someone who cannot help the way they are? That is "saving"???

How about torturing and slaughtering those who refuse to believe you? I am sure those who participated in the Crusades in the name of Jesus thought they were "saving" too.

To me, saving isn't any of that. Saving is helping the sick, the poor, the homeless, the addicted and saving them from a bad life. That's what the Salvation Army does not only at Christmastime, but all year. That is real salvation.

 

[auntpolly]

Paul wrote the NT Scripture re: sexual sins. I know some of you don't regard his writings as Scripture. of Christ.

You're right. I don't. I think he was on crack or something. I'm more interested in what Jesus had to say.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Again, though if you find that the majority of people here in this thread disagree wiht your version of the truth, why waste all of His teachings on us? Your arguments don't sound like you're attempting to "save" anyone...only berating them. Outside of christianity we call that just tacky.

Just doesn't make sense to me...why attempt to save those who say "Thanks, but no thanks"? You're as persistent as a used car salesman (personal insult #5). It almost seems like you're getting some sort of enjoymont from it as well. That's odd...no?

You say your bible is true...the majority of the world does not. I asked for proof besides the book in your nightstand. And proof everyone else is wrong. Listen, my friend, listen.

The Bible proves itself through the prophecy contained within it as well as its historical accuracy.

For further details do a web search on "proof that the Bible is the Word of God". There are many excellent articles.

Yes, I'd rather talk about salvation than sin. Sin talk often comes off as "berating."

 

[Muziqal]

The Bible proves itself through the prophecy contained within it as well as its historical accuracy.

For further details do a web search on "proof that the Bible is the Word of God". There are many excellent articles.

Yes, I'd rather talk about salvation than sin. Sin talk often comes off as "berating."

Do you really think you've saved someone with your talk of salvation in this thread? And who? No one's spoken up in close to 50 pages. There's a whole lot of you saying you're right, defending your views and telling everyone else they're wrong. Attractive religion your christianity...

 

[bananiem]

To those that are so against homosexuals...
What would you do is your son/daughter came home and announced they were gay?
Or you father/mother or sister/brother/best friend?
What if your spouse realized the truth and announced they are gay?

 

[JennyMominRI]

Yes, I'd rather talk about salvation than sin. Sin talk often comes off as "berating."

The thing is Joe,some people are just bothered by the idea that humans are so bad they are in need of salvation,especially innocent babes. OR by the idea that a *loving* G-d condemns people to eternal torment for what they believe or because of who they sleep with.. You are turning some people off with the basic idea of salvation in the first place.. They have no desire to be a part of such a belief system

 

[JennyMominRI]

What if your spouse realized the truth and announced they are gay?

Directed at Joe not Bananiem..Just adding on. What if your daughter married someone who was tying to fit into the heterosexual mode. He tries to be a good Christian, and as such they were miserable and unhappy and he gave her a AIDS because he felt he had to keep him homosexualty/bisexuality a secret.. That would be what my mother had to face..
Maybe if my ex wasn't trying to deny who he really was,he never would have married me ,and I wouldn't have AIDS today.. My kids wouldn't have a broken family and he wouldn't be ignored by most of his own family

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Do you really think you've saved someone with your talk of salvation in this thread? And who? No one's spoken up in close to 50 pages. There's a whole lot of you saying you're right, defending your views and telling everyone else they're wrong. Attractive religion your christianity...

You misread my post.

I meant I'd rather talk about salvation -- not that I have been on this thread.

Yes on a debate thread people do defend their positions.

 

[jimmiej]

Muziqal,

Private Messages are just that-private! Please ask permission before posting something meant to be between two posters. I'm sorry to come across in a harsh manner, but you need to be careful in the future.

I can't prove God's existence, although I know beyond a shadow of a doubt He DOES live, because as the old hymn says, "How do I know He lives? He lives within my heart!" I can tell you what He's done in my life, but I doubt that would be proof enough for you.

On the other hand, you can't prove God doesn't exist either. So, that debate doesn't help much.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

The thing is Joe,some people are just bothered by the idea that humans are so bad they are in need of salvation,especially innocent babes. OR by the idea that a *loving* G-d condemns people to eternal torment for what they believe or because of who they sleep with.. You are turning some people off with the basic idea of salvation in the first place.. They have no desire to be a part of such a belief system

God condemns no one. People have a choice to accept salvation or not, and regardless of any sin (sexual or otherwise).

Your quote.
You are turning some people off with the basic idea of salvation in the first place

Salvation (thru Jesus) is the cornerstone of Christianity.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

To those that are so against homosexuals...
What would you do is your son/daughter came home and announced they were gay?
Or you father/mother or sister/brother/best friend?
What if your spouse realized the truth and announced they are gay?

If they were looking to choose the gay lifestyle, I would help them thru loving Christian counseling to return to God's path.

A "realization" that you are "gay" is not a realization of the truth.

 

[bananiem]

If they were looking to choose the gay lifestyle, I would help them thru loving Christian counseling to return to God's path.

A "realization" that you are "gay" is not a realization of the truth.

So you would deny them happiness?