I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[brerrabbit]

I have posted in the past on these issues and really don't understand where certain people are coming from. They want to quote the Bible and shout to the mountain tops what is sinnful and how you should lead your life if you wish Gods forgiveness. However as I read the Bible the things that shine through for me are these. We are all sinners, by accepting Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior we will be saved. We will not be the final judge of anyone, that is for God and God alone to decide. We are to love our fellow man as we love God himself. Note it does not say only love the non sinners.
In reading the teachings of, and the life of Jesus I recall very few instances where he lost his temper, raised his voice, or got very upset as he preached his message. Therefore those who would point to scripture and write the things they have written here and say they are true Christians in every way are only fooling themselves.

If you profess to be a Christian, then act like a Christian, not only on Sundays, and Wednesdays, but every day of the year, every day of your live live the principle. Live the teachings and stop trying to beat people over the head with your message. Live the principle with everyone even those you say to be sinners, because brother your a sinner too!

 

[MrVisible]

auntpolly, brerrabbit, I want to thank you for those last two posts. It's people like you who make me respect Christianity as an institution, even though I'm not a believer. Growing up, I always thought that being Christian was all about kindness and charity and understanding, and it's only been in the past few years that that image has been getting tarnished. But I have faith that with people like you in the congregation, churches will emerge from this trial to shine once again.

Like I say, I'm not Christian, but I've read the Bible a couple of times. I keep trying to imagine Jesus Christ, the man I read about in the New Testament, telling me and my boyfriend that we can't love each other anymore.

Last year, my appendix went. For you young'uns, that's no big deal, but once you're well into putative adulthood like me, it's problematic. It was a month of hospitalization, complications, infections, incisions, drains, antibiotics, painkillers, and pain. My boyfriend was there every day, for hours when I was in the hospital, making sure I had everything I needed, letting me know how much he loves me. He cried on the way home, some nights, because there were times when he thought I might not make it, but he never cried when he was with me. When I got out, he had the job of packing my wounds, every day and every night for weeks. It was a frankly disgusting chore, and it hurt every time, and every time I hurt he hurt for me. But he never complained, and he took pride in doing it as well as he possibly could.

I needed him, and he was strong for me. He showed me his love and his dedication and his devotion in the most concrete way possible; he was there for me, even when it hurt him. He stood by me. He took care of me. And I will take care of him the same way, for life.

The Jesus I read about didn't seem like he was a big fan of laws getting in the way of real, genuine love. He seemed like the kind of guy who'd break rules when the rules were hurting people. And I think that he'd see how happy we make each other, how much more good we can do in the world as a couple than as single, miserable people, and he would be happy for us.

The Old Testament God, though, he'd have us ripped up by bears or something. He was scary.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Wow the Christian fudamentalist whakos have really declared war on the thread and i think it's hliarious they really disqualify themselves with their antiquated views. .... homosexuality is a sin.... no abortion (that's easy for a man to say)... God, discernment, Joe..., do you really think anyone cares for this sh...t. Well I have to dissapoint you no one does and no matter how much you rant the world will not change and embrace your stupid rules which you believe are "made by god". They are not, it's just some book written by some delusional men. There will always be homosexuality, abortion, sex before marriage and that's good. And there is nothing you can do against it, so keep dreaming of your fundemtalist Christian world order because that's all it will ever be a dream.

And GET A LIFE

"A book written by delusional men." Nice research.

My views are antiquated?? Oh yeah, abortion and homosexuality are "progress."

I'm a "whako". Attack the messenger, I guess.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I have read the rest of the story,the thing is,there were already ways for sins to be overcome,that didn't involve anyone dying

Except Jesus.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Secular Dogma=Failure to force ultra right wing bigotry down everyone's throat.

That's some conclusion -- if people aren't being "secular" then they must be:

ultra right
bigots
forcing stuff down everyone's throats

 

[Saxsoon]

Quote:
Originally Posted by oelpa
Wow the Christian fudamentalist whakos have really declared war on the thread and i think it's hliarious they really disqualify themselves with their antiquated views. .... homosexuality is a sin.... no abortion (that's easy for a man to say)... God, discernment, Joe..., do you really think anyone cares for this sh...t. Well I have to dissapoint you no one does and no matter how much you rant the world will not change and embrace your stupid rules which you believe are "made by god". They are not, it's just some book written by some delusional men. There will always be homosexuality, abortion, sex before marriage and that's good. And there is nothing you can do against it, so keep dreaming of your fundemtalist Christian world order because that's all it will ever be a dream.

And GET A LIFE




This was one thing I did want to write about before I left.

How is sex before marriage good? I mean come on, STD's. Please explain that one. Not just them take this Sh. . .t. I guess I take it too. I just don't agree the same as them with homosexuality. I won't get into abortion as that deserves a thread of its own. You and several others were especially making me angry equating to what I believe to be hogwash. I know others have done it too, but does that mean you have to stoop to another's level to make a jab.



I believe some in this thread have equated hate speech to saying something someone believes in is silly, stupid, and a lie.

So Discernment, that is an example of Hate Speech.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Why should I? I'm not a Christian. We were debating whether the Christian perspective should be the only one allowed in schools, as it seems to have a deleterious effect on gay children. A deadly effect, in some cases.

Is your position so weak that it can't stand up to having alternatives expressed? Do you really have so little faith in your position that you feel it can only flourish where there is complete ignorance of any other?

Really?? Am I the one who doesn't allow BOTH views taught in school? Do you mean public schools are actually discussing the Christain viewpoint of homosexuality as a valid and moral viewpoint. And publilc schools are allowing a day of rebuttle to the "Day of Silence." If so -- that works for me!!

 

[JennyMominRI]

Except Jesus.

I understand that is the Christan belief..according to Jewsh beliefs no one needs to die for our sins,nor is there any Hell to be saved from

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

auntpolly, brerrabbit, I want to thank you for those last two posts. It's people like you who make me respect Christianity as an institution, even though I'm not a believer. Growing up, I always thought that being Christian was all about kindness and charity and understanding, and it's only been in the past few years that that image has been getting tarnished. But I have faith that with people like you in the congregation, churches will emerge from this trial to shine once again.

Like I say, I'm not Christian, but I've read the Bible a couple of times. I keep trying to imagine Jesus Christ, the man I read about in the New Testament, telling me and my boyfriend that we can't love each other anymore.

Last year, my appendix went. For you young'uns, that's no big deal, but once you're well into putative adulthood like me, it's problematic. It was a month of hospitalization, complications, infections, incisions, drains, antibiotics, painkillers, and pain. My boyfriend was there every day, for hours when I was in the hospital, making sure I had everything I needed, letting me know how much he loves me. He cried on the way home, some nights, because there were times when he thought I might not make it, but he never cried when he was with me. When I got out, he had the job of packing my wounds, every day and every night for weeks. It was a frankly disgusting chore, and it hurt every time, and every time I hurt he hurt for me. But he never complained, and he took pride in doing it as well as he possibly could.

I needed him, and he was strong for me. He showed me his love and his dedication and his devotion in the most concrete way possible; he was there for me, even when it hurt him. He stood by me. He took care of me. And I will take care of him the same way, for life.

The Jesus I read about didn't seem like he was a big fan of laws getting in the way of real, genuine love. He seemed like the kind of guy who'd break rules when the rules were hurting people. And I think that he'd see how happy we make each other, how much more good we can do in the world as a couple than as single, miserable people, and he would be happy for us.

The Old Testament God, though, he'd have us ripped up by bears or something. He was scary.

Excellent post! (although I must disagree with a small with part of it)

Yes, Jesus did break the rules -- of men -- when the rules were hurting people. But He had to do the will of the Father, and for the rules of the Father He told people (after helping them) "go and sin no more." The Father did have rules on sexual relations.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Trying to pass off your own fallibility in interpreting the bible as God's infallibility again are we?

Read it in it's entirety for yourself then.

 

[JennyMominRI]

Read it in it's entirety for yourself then.

Lots of people have and just don't view it the way you do. I spent years studying the Christian bible.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Like I said, I'd love to meet this discernment or joeepcot in person. It would either validate my suspicions that they are true s or I'd find that they're much weaker individuals than they even appear to be here...in which case I'd feel nothing but pity for them.

So you think people who believe that the Bible is the Word of God are crazy or weak??

Nice.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Lots of people have and just don't view it the way you do. I spent years studying the Christian bible.

And you think it condones homosexuality??

 

[JennyMominRI]

And you think it condones homosexuality??

I think the Torah forbids certan sexual acts between Jews. ..Whether or not those verses are talkng about temple purity or not, I don't know... The G-d of the Jews doesn't condemn someone for failing to fulfill one of the 613 Mitzvot anyway..And as Jewish Law only applies to Jews, it really doesn't matter if other people follow that mitzvah or not

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Rest assured singingpixie, that most of us are very, very aware that the two posters on this thread are very much not like most true Christians. We are very aware that they are very much like those that picket military funerals, etc... Don't ever worry that we think they are representative of an entire religion. Unlike them, we don't judge an entire community... because, well... that'd be incredibly ignorant wouldn't it?

More insults.

I won't judge all the moderators on these boards by your insults.

And I wouldn't picket a military funeral (or any funeral).

 

[snowwite]

Okie doke!

83 of 152!

54.6% and counting!

And you didn't debunk anything. Exodus International was founded by two "ex" gay men who then realized the error of their ways, came out of the closet and become lovers.

I met them dude. ETA, sorry, I met one of them. His partner (the other founder) has since passed away.

So, gimme another post so I can keep counting!

Rick, I think you have the best responses and I love that you do it without angry words. I tend to get mad when dealing with people like discernment and flip off a quick response that I sometimes live to regret. You keep it light and we sure need that.

 

[Muziqal]

So you think people who believe that the Bible is the Word of God are crazy or weak??

Nice.

I find people who have to posture their beliefs like you do (ignorantly?) on the internet weak. I find people who attack homosexuals and tell them to go get cured weak. I find someone who has nothing better to do than shove the dogma they were brainwashed with since they were kids down other people's throats weak. I find people who must resort to grouping themselves in a religion derived from "love" yet excludes and berates all those who do not believe what he believes and practices what he practices weak.

Yes...I find you very, very weak. And that's why you fascinate me. You're quite the religious addict, zealot and Christian fascist. I find that interesting...and weak all at the same time. Like watching a monkey throw his own poop against the glass wall in his enclosure - he's not helping or hurting anyone but himself. You just have to watch.

 

[goofygirl]

welcome all my friends to the thread that never ends, we're so glad you can attend, come inside, come inside..............

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I find people who have to posture their beliefs like you do (ignorantly?) on the internet weak. I find people who attack homosexuals and tell them to go get cured weak. I find someone who has nothing better to do than shove the dogma they were brainwashed with since they were kids down other people's throats weak. I find people who must resort to grouping themselves in a religion derived from "love" yet excludes and berates all those who do not believe what he believes and practices what he practices weak.

Yes...I find you very, very weak. And that's why you fascinate me. You're quite the religious addict, zealot and Christian fascist. I find that interesting...and weak all at the same time. Like watching a monkey throw his own poop against the glass wall in his enclosure - he's not helping or hurting anyone but himself. You just have to watch.

All insults, no meat.

God loves us all unconditionally but like any loving parent, He has rules for our benefit. In God, we are all strong.

 

[snowwite]

See the Bible then -- God's Word speaks for itsself.

God's word has been translated several times over centuries. Jesus spoke using parables. Many lettes and events in the bible were not trabnscribed until years after the actual events,including the birth and death of Christ. To me it seems reasonable that something may have been lost in translation, omitted entirely or miscontrued over time. The bible is open to interpretation depending upon who is reading it and for what purpose. For example I think that you and your pal discernment are using the Lord and the Bible to spread your hate agenda which is not at all what any Christians that I know believe at all.