I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[JoeEpcotRocks]

So you would deny them happiness?

God's path is a happy path.

 

[JennyMominRI]

God condemns no one. People have a choice to accept salvation or not, and regardless of any sin (sexual or otherwise).

Your quote.
You are turning some people off with the basic idea of salvation in the first place

Salvation (thru Jesus) is the cornerstone of Christianity.

I understand that and my point is,to many of us the idea of humans needing salvation,including innocent babies, keeps us from ever being Christans.. We find the entire premise to be hurtful.
And it's not as simple as *accepting salvation*... I can't make myself believe in Jesus.. I can't do it.. I tried for 30 years.. I can't make myself believe in Jesus anymore than I can make you believe that Regis Philbin is G-d..And according to your theology I will burn in hell for that fact irregardless of the fact that I have tried to live my life as a good human being and to do what I believe in my own heart that G-d wants me to do.

 

[bananiem]

God's path is a happy path.

You mean your version of God's path is a happy path.

 

[JennyMominRI]

If they were looking to choose the gay lifestyle, I would help them thru loving Christian counseling to return to God's path.

A "realization" that you are "gay" is not a realization of the truth.

I watched my ex try to to do that..I watched the chronic depression and the suicidal behavior , the self hatred... He is what he is and trying to fit into your (general) mold has destroyed and damaged lives.

 

[bananiem]

I must be on jj's ignore list.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

You mean your version of God's path is a happy path.

The Bible lays out God's path. It's all in writing.

I'm glad you think "my version" is happy too.

 

[Muziqal]

Muziqal,

Private Messages are just that-private! Please ask permission before posting something meant to be between two posters. I'm sorry to come across in a harsh manner, but you need to be careful in the future.

I can't prove God's existence, although I know beyond a shadow of a doubt He DOES live, because as the old hymn says, "How do I know He lives? He lives within my heart!" I can tell you what He's done in my life, but I doubt that would be proof enough for you.

On the other hand, you can't prove God doesn't exist either. So, that debate doesn't help much.

Funny...careful doesn't seem to be the theme of this thread.

No, I can't prove god exists. Nor can I prove the beliefs of Allah or Buddha. Or any other faith for that matter. But I never said I could. Your friend Joe says he can by the prophecies and writings in the bible. There are many many people, prophecies come true and beliefs in this world. What I don't get is why so many Christians like you go out of their way to spend hours on a thread like this attempting to prove their belief is the only one through posting scripture when it's obvious no one is agreeing with you. No one is asking to be saved. discernment writes a contraversial post which will turn into a heated debate. You and joe have become his disciples in the "save all the homosexuals" cause. It's a bit ludacris that any one of you three think you're doing god's will and contributing to mankind in a positive way by posting what you post. But, you see things as you do...and I see things the way I do.

But I've yet to run into anyone in this post who has been saved by your scripture. It seems a bit to me...that's all.

 

[bananiem]

Joe, the irks me.
What faith do you practice? I can't remember.

 

[Muziqal]

The Bible lays out God's path. It's all in writing.

And can be picked up for a nominal fee at your local christian church.

Joe, Joe, Joe...you still don't get it. Who are you saving now by writing your little semi-sarcastic quips in this thread? Jesus got the point at his end...you think you'd learn from your savior.

Seriously though...why still like the energizer bunny. You can no more prove the bible is the word of god than I can prove it isn't. Your faith and love seem to wrapped up in this thread though arguing with a non-christian about what is true and what is not. Surely there are more christian acts you could be doing at this hour.

I'm glad you think "my version" is happy too.

And watching the Passion was anything but happy. Performing as Judas in JC Superstar was anything but happy. The Christian crusades were anything but happy. Christianity isn't all that happy, my friend.

 

[jimmiej]

Let me remind everyone the OP was about a Christian minister and her interpretation of Scripture. It seems to have evolved into a Christian vs. non-Christian. I've tried to direct my posts to those who are Christian, although sometimes I slip.

To those that are so against homosexuals...

I'm not against homosexuals. For the umpteenth time, I'm distressed that a Christian minister would preach and teach contrary to the Bible. Yes, God is Love, first and foremost. But, Love has rules for our own good. You cannot deny that fact if you have children! I don't know about you, but I didn't like all my parent's rules. I didn't understand their purpose until I had children of my own.

I know I'm a whipping boy on these religious threads, and that's fine. I wouldn't be here if it bothered me too much. Although I don't have any homosexuals in my family, I work with three gays. I would never confront them about their homosexuality. If they ever asked me (about spiritual matters), I'd have to be honest with what I believe.

 

[Muziqal]

I know I'm a whipping boy on these religious threads,

Now that's living similarly to Jesus...fo sheezy...

 

[JennyMominRI]

Let me remind everyone the OP was about a Christian minister and her interpretation of Scripture. It seems to have evolved into a Christian vs. non-Christian. I've tried to direct my posts to those who are Christian, although sometimes I slip.



I'm not against homosexuals. For the umpteenth time, I'm distressed that a Christian minister would preach and teach contrary to the Bible. Yes, God is Love, first and foremost. But, Love has rules for our own good. You cannot deny that fact if you have children! I don't know about you, but I didn't like all my parent's rules. I didn't understand their purpose until I had children of my own.

I know I'm a whipping boy on these religious threads, and that's fine. I wouldn't be here if it bothered me too much. Although I don't have any homosexuals in my family, I work with three gays. I would never confront them about their homosexuality. If they ever asked me (about spiritual matters), I'd have to be honest with what I believe.

Jimmie,Generally your delivery is pretty good.

 

[bananiem]

Let me remind everyone the OP was about a Christian minister and her interpretation of Scripture. It seems to have evolved into a Christian vs. non-Christian. I've tried to direct my posts to those who are Christian, although sometimes I slip.



I'm not against homosexuals. For the umpteenth time, I'm distressed that a Christian minister would preach and teach contrary to the Bible. Yes, God is Love, first and foremost. But, Love has rules for our own good. You cannot deny that fact if you have children! I don't know about you, but I didn't like all my parent's rules. I didn't understand their purpose until I had children of my own.

I know I'm a whipping boy on these religious threads, and that's fine. I wouldn't be here if it bothered me too much. Although I don't have any homosexuals in my family, I work with three gays. I would never confront them about their homosexuality. If they ever asked me (about spiritual matters), I'd have to be honest with what I believe.

You say you aren't against homosexuality, yet you believe it's wrong. Hmmm, that seems like a contradiction to me.
As for my parent's rules...Hmmm, some of them I didn't like at the time. Yes, I understand them now. However, my parents never had a rule about who I could love.
So I'm asking again...Your child just came home and wants to move in with their life partner. What do you say?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

And can be picked up for a nominal fee at your local christian church.

Joe, Joe, Joe...you still don't get it. Who are you saving now by writing your little semi-srcastic quips in this thread? Jesus got the point at his end...you think you'd learn from your savior.

Seriously though...why still like the energizer bunny. You can no more prove the bible is the word of god than I can prove it isn't. Your faith and love seem to wrapped up in this thread though arguing with a non-christian about what is true and what is not. Surely there are more christian acts you could be doing at this hour.

I've offered proof that the Bible is the Word of God -- you refuse to read what I've suggested. Are you seeking the truth or not?

People keep asking questions, I'm answering.

 

[Saxsoon]

This is for those that the New Testament is based on lies and delusional old men. I encourage everyone to read this. It is about the Historical accuracy of the NT. I mean, if they got this stuff right, who is too say they didn't everything else either.

I know someone will spin this as a biased report, but oh well. Your life, your choice. But do please give it a chance.

http://www.scripturessay.com/cev2.html

It gets really good in the second half.

btw, they give proof OUTSIDE the Bible. They use a lot of common sense too when it comes to the eyewitness stuff too.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

And watching the Passion was anything but happy. Performing as Judas in JC Superstar was anything but happy. The Christian crusades were anything but happy. Christianity isn't all that happy, my friend.

Yes it is is because Jesus did all the heavy lifting.

We have God's grace --
God's
Reward
At
Christ's
Expense

 

[Muziqal]

I've offered proof that the Bible is the Word of God -- you refuse to read what I've suggested. Are you seeking the truth or not?

People keep asking questions, I'm answering.

I've been to many a Christian gathering and have had people like you and even decent christians tell em what they believe. It's either true to an individual or not. I think you used the word "choice" before. You chose to stick to the bible...I tend to research a lot more than the sites you suggest and hold my beliefs close to me rather than plastering them on a public forum.

But again, you believe that your truth exists and the Buddhist who lives next to you believes his truth exists. My bet is you'd be hounding him as you both bbq in the backyard as you try to convince him he's wrong and he walks aways thinking you're a .

I think it's an issue of respectability and credibility...two things that have evaded you in your quest here on the Dis. I hope not a lot of christians are like this...and some of them here have proven they aren't.

 

[Thizz]

I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

 

[Muziqal]

I bear witness that there is no God but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah.

Thank god! I was hoping the thread wouldn't close before a Muslim got in the ring!

Are you ready to rrrrrrumble...

 

[Muziqal]

Yes it is is because Jesus did all the heavy lifting.

We have God's grace --
God's
Reward
At
Christ's
Expense

Killing in the name of Jesus had nothing to do with what he lifted...acronym or no acronym.