I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[Aidensmom]

I've only made it to page 21 of this thread, so forgive me if I am repeating anyone....

Just wanted to comment on the Christian belief that what gets you to heaven is accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior...

1) It seems like a lot of Christians say that, then try to pinpoint behaviors that will keep them out. The bible says we need to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Period. It also says we ALL sin. Telling someone else thier "sin" is worse is nothing but hypocrisy.

2) A lot of non-Christians try to discredit Christianity by saying that what would make us "behave" if all we had to do is accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. All I can say is you are missing the point. The point being that there is no one on Earth that is perfect, whether or not you believe. We all do "bad" things, every single one of us. Recognizing and accepting that no one can be God is the point. (And actually, now that I am writing this, I think there are some that need to develop the "discernment" to realize this teaching. ) If you DON'T believe in God, what makes you "behave?" Why do you think it is a different thing for people who do believe?

3) I think it is really sad that there are so many people on this board, on both sides of the issue, that strongly dislike, or even hate people who have different beliefs than them. That is not a bragging right for anyone, it just shows your closed-mindedness, no matter how open minded you claim to be. I have to laugh every time I see certain posters write things that basically write off a whole section of society based on some label in their next post try to claim how friendly and accepting and morally superior they are.

And finally, it is everyone's OWN lives they should be concerned with. No one is so perfect or so all-knowing as to tell anyone else how they should live. Even if you believe in God, you should realize that it is God's place to judge others, our job is just to LOVE others.

 

[VanBrujah]

Much the same way gay activists targeted Dr. Laura when she started to speak out against homosexuality. Its easier for some groups to cave to the gay agenda than listen to claims of homophobia and being hate-filled if they refuse.

Was that before, or after those lovely porn shots of Dr. Laura appeared on the internet? I can never remember.

It's a good thing that we have someone as moral and upright as Dr. Laura looking out for us, isn't it? She's a fine example of a decent, upstanding, bible-believing christian.

 

[MrVisible]

You mean the post about the APA and NARTH?

There is nothing more to be said on it. The APA caved in 1973 to gay activist groups and changed their position. The other organizations have been lobbied heavily by homosexual political action groups as well.

You do realize though that some members of NARTH are also part of the APA.

Much the same way gay activists targeted Dr. Laura when she started to speak out against homosexuality. Its easier for some groups to cave to the gay agenda than listen to claims of homophobia and being hate-filled if they refuse.

Nice tactics. But they are working.

That's because truth and love always win in the end.

Oh, and I was referring to this post.

 

[NewJersey]

Here is what I have taken from this thread, and others in the past about homosexuality and the religious right.

"We pick and choose what to believe from the Bible. Heck, if there's something out there that is a sin that I'm not doing, I'll be the first to judge and condemn their sins. But, shhhh, don't tell about the skeletons in my own closet."

 

[JennyMominRI]

Was that before, or after those lovely porn shots of Dr. Laura appeared on the internet? I can never remember.

It's a good thing that we have someone as moral and upright as Dr. Laura looking out for us, isn't it? She's a fine example of a decent, upstanding, bible-believing christian.

Actually,she converted to Judaism and then changed her mind ,LOL

 

[discernment]

That would be too easy. There is no challenge in that.


I am posting on this because you are wrong. You have always been wrong on this subject, and as long as you continue to use your belief in The Imaginary Person In The Clouds to discriminate against ANY group of people, you will continue to be wrong.

And I shall be happy to remind you of that particular fact of life.

Still waiting on you to back up your claims.

I even tried to IM ya but of course you turned that off when you saw my message.

 

[discernment]

That's because truth and love always win in the end.

Finally you said something I can agree with you on of course for different reasons.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Joe, Discernment, obviously some people on this thread don't care for listening to the Bible. They treat it like the Dems treat Fox news, or how you treat the liberal media. If everyone in this thread was Christian, it might be a different story because everybody would be on the same page. This case is not true here. Since neither side can bring up evidence that will keep the other side appeased, this is a never ending debate. Live and let live. If you won't hear it from the people you believe are the heathens, hear it from one of the "non-heathens". I don't mean this to be rude, just getting a point across.

I don't see you (collective) out there going against Divorce, lieing, waving signs saying the premaritel sex will send you to hell, and theft. Answer this question straight, did your body convulse every time a gay couple holds hands. I think this is the only way it would affect you. If the answer is no, then this conversation is moot. And yes, your posts come out as hate filled, even if you do it unintentionally. I am sorry I have to tell you this, but hopefully you will get the idea. You are not doing any good trying to get your point across. You are using a source, that while you and I believe is true, not everyone does. That makes your point pointless in many eyes.

I think I too will stop posting here unless it really is something that calls to my attention. Well back to the sidelines! It is more fun to watch at times.

I've never said anything about hell. Thru the blood of Jesus all sin is forgiven to those who believe and all sin is ranked the same. The sin of homosexuality is the topic at hand. Sin effects society and many are trying to convince our children in our public schools that homosexuality is OK. Children's lives could be destroyed as a result. If the homosexual commnuity thinks that their homosexual lifestyle is their private business -- well, then keep it private!

Abortion is another example. It is the sin of murder that is now legal "thanks" to activists who convinced society (including certain ungodly judges) that it is ok.

 

[Saxsoon]

I love the hyprocisy on both sides of this thread. The non Christians saying don't hate the gays but hate the Christians, and of course we all now what the other side says. Keep it up. I especially loved that crack about the imaginary figure in the clouds.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Was that before, or after those lovely porn shots of Dr. Laura appeared on the internet? I can never remember.

It's a good thing that we have someone as moral and upright as Dr. Laura looking out for us, isn't it? She's a fine example of a decent, upstanding, bible-believing christian.

Yes, she's an excellent example. She overcame her habitual sin with God's help and repented.

We all have the opportunity to do the same -- change our lifestyle choices to line up with the Word of God.

 

[cardaway]

1) It seems like a lot of Christians say that, then try to pinpoint behaviors that will keep them out. The bible says we need to accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. Period. It also says we ALL sin. Telling someone else thier "sin" is worse is nothing but hypocrisy.

2) A lot of non-Christians try to discredit Christianity by saying that what would make us "behave" if all we had to do is accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. All I can say is you are missing the point. The point being that there is no one on Earth that is perfect, whether or not you believe. We all do "bad" things, every single one of us. Recognizing and accepting that no one can be God is the point. (And actually, now that I am writing this, I think there are some that need to develop the "discernment" to realize this teaching. ) If you DON'T believe in God, what makes you "behave?" Why do you think it is a different thing for people who do believe?

3) I think it is really sad that there are so many people on this board, on both sides of the issue, that strongly dislike, or even hate people who have different beliefs than them. That is not a bragging right for anyone, it just shows your closed-mindedness, no matter how open minded you claim to be. I have to laugh every time I see certain posters write things that basically write off a whole section of society based on some label in their next post try to claim how friendly and accepting and morally superior they are.

1) ITA

2) Most of the non-Christians I know believe that the belifs common in all major religions are the "absolute truth" and all they have no problem with those being the rules for "behavior".

3) JMO, but what you are describing is more often than not person ro person issues rather than a person having issues with an entire group.

 

[JennyMominRI]

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Abortion is another example. It is the sin of murder that is now legal "thanks" to activists who convinced society (including certain ungodly judges) that it is ok.

Actually accordng to Jewish law it ismandated in some cases ..The Talmud gives specfic instructions on how to do it

 

[VanBrujah]

Still waiting on you to back up your claims.

Still not going to post IP addresses and get banned. Also still not going to post the name of who told me.

I'll tell you what, though, just to show that I play fair: You prove - scientifically - that god exists, and I'll post those IP's here and risk getting banned.

I'll go you one further: you prove - scientifically, of course - that god exists, and get him to provide proof, in his or her own handwriting, along with a copy of photo ID, and I'll tell you who told me.

I even tried to IM ya but of course you turned that off when you saw my message.

Yeah, that's funny story. It turns out that when I thought I blocked you from IMing me over a year ago..you know, when you were just randomly IMing obscenities at me out of the blue one evening (that's in the bible, I think, Dalmatians 25:94 "Yea, verily, I command thee to go forth and harass people anonymously on the internet) I accidentally misspelled your IM name.

I'm happy to report that I've now corrected that situation.

 

[MrVisible]

Sin effects society and many are trying to convince our children in our public schools that homosexuality is OK. Children's lives could be destroyed as a result. If the homosexual commnuity thinks that their homosexual lifestyle is their private business -- well, then keep it private!

What about the kids in those schools who are already gay? Don't you think they deserve to hear that there might be a perspective out there that doesn't believe that they are inherently sinful? I'll tell you from my personal experience that it would have been incredibly helpful to hear an alternative to the "being gay is a sin" rhetoric I heard all the way through school.

The thing is, I'm not a Christian. Why should yours be the only perspective that gets heard on this issue in the schools? Why should you be the arbiter of what is right and wrong for all people, and not just Christians?

Gay youth are two to three times more likely to commit suicide. Don't you think that constantly hearing that being gay is sinful contributes to this? Do you honestly believe that your position isn't having an effect on these kids?

Would you really rather have these kids die than love each other?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

So according to this argument, people who are born into poverty are screwed, right?

No!! What are you talking about??

Lots of hard working people in the Bible who succeeded no matter where they started.

 

[Saxsoon]

I've never said anything about hell. Thru the blood of Jesus all sin is forgiven to those who believe and all sin is ranked the same. The sin of homosexuality is the topic at hand. Sin effects society and many are trying to convince our children in our public schools that homosexuality is OK. Children's lives could be destroyed as a result. If the homosexual commnuity thinks that their homosexual lifestyle is their private business -- well, then keep it private!

Abortion is another example. It is the sin of murder that is now legal "thanks" to activists who convinced society (including certain ungodly judges) that it is ok.

Sorry It is usually when I do hear about this, I see the signs about God hates you and will send you to hell and stuff like that. I do agree with you, all sins are equal, and homosexuality is the topic at hand. I do agree on abortion too. It just seems, I don't know, very hateful, and like I said, you may not mean it, but it does come across like that. Of course what you have said doesn't come close to what others have said about Christianity.

 

[NewJersey]

Yes, she's an excellent example. She overcame her habitual sin with God's help and repented.

We all have the opportunity to do the same -- change our lifestyle choices to line up with the Word of God.

Thanks Joe, but I'm doing just fine. I believe God put me on this Earth for a reason, and I think he made me gay (yes I was born this way. I decided to be gay the same day you decided to be straight. Think about that). As my mom says, who's a Catholic, "Honey, the family loves you no matter what as does God. The church is full of hypocritcal sinners so don't let any of them bring you down."

 

[JennyMominRI]

Thanks Joe, but I'm doing just fine. I believe God put me on this Earth for a reason, and I think he made me gay (yes I was born this way. I decided to be gay the same day you decided to be straight. Think about that). As my mom says, who's a Catholic, "Honey, the family loves you no matter what as does God. The church is full of hypocritcal sinners so don't let any of them bring you down."

Sounds Like you have an awesome Mom

 

[NewJersey]

Sounds Like you have an awesome Mom

Thanks Jenny! I do.

Sounds like your kids are lucky to have you as well!

 

[VanBrujah]

Thanks Joe, but I'm doing just fine. I believe God put me on this Earth for a reason, and I think he made me gay (yes I was born this way. I decided to be gay the same day you decided to be straight. Think about that). As my mom says, who's a Catholic, "Honey, the family loves you no matter what as does God. The church is full of hypocritcal sinners so don't let any of them bring you down."

Sounds like my kind of catholic! Good for her!