I shouldnt be suprised at this point...

[discernment]

Still not going to post IP addresses and get banned. Also still not going to post the name of who told me.

I'll tell you what, though, just to show that I play fair: You prove - scientifically - that god exists, and I'll post those IP's here and risk getting banned.

I'll go you one further: you prove - scientifically, of course - that god exists, and get him to provide proof, in his or her own handwriting, along with a copy of photo ID, and I'll tell you who told me.



Yeah, that's funny story. It turns out that when I thought I blocked you from IMing me over a year ago..you know, when you were just randomly IMing obscenities at me out of the blue one evening (that's in the bible, I think, Dalmatians 25:94 "Yea, verily, I command thee to go forth and harass people anonymously on the internet) I accidentally misspelled your IM name.

I'm happy to report that I've now corrected that situation.

More wild claims. Its nice to throw out a baseless accusation and not provide any proof for it. Care to tell me about proxies and IP addressing now?

Admit you are operating on hearsay. Lord knows you have your share of usernames you have used on various sites. I mean theorectically based on what my "source" tells me.

Nice straw man though. Like his hat.

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

More wild claims. Its nice to throw out a baseless accusation and not provide any proof for it. Care to tell me about proxies and IP addressing now?

Admit you are operating on hearsay. Lord knows you have your share of usernames you have used on various sites. I mean theorectically based on what my "source" tells me.

Nice straw man though. Like his hat.

Wanna define hearsay?

Wanna tell me if its okay, according to the Bible, to own a wife or another person?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

What about the kids in those schools who are already gay? Don't you think they deserve to hear that there might be a perspective out there that doesn't believe that they are inherently sinful? I'll tell you from my personal experience that it would have been incredibly helpful to hear an alternative to the "being gay is a sin" rhetoric I heard all the way through school.

The thing is, I'm not a Christian. Why should yours be the only perspective that gets heard on this issue in the schools? Why should you be the arbiter of what is right and wrong for all people, and not just Christians?

Gay youth are two to three times more likely to commit suicide. Don't you think that constantly hearing that being gay is sinful contributes to this? Do you honestly believe that your position isn't having an effect on these kids?

Would you really rather have these kids die than love each other?

If kids in school have chosen to be gay, I recommend loving counseling to get their lives back on track. You can help people find God's path without name calling or condemnation or stressing "sin."

Better God's perspective in our schools than man's opinion.

 

[NewJersey]

If kids in school have chosen to be gay, I recommend loving counseling to get their lives back on track. You can help people find God's path without name calling or condemnation or stressing "sin."

Better God's perspective in our schools than man's opinion.

I could say so many things to this but I'll hold back. You are so clueless on this matter.

 

[MrVisible]

If kids in school have chosen to be gay, I recommend loving counseling to get their lives back on track. You can help people find God's path without name calling or condemnation or stressing "sin."

Better God's perspective in our schools than man's opinion.

So, why should children who are not Christian be exposed solely to Christian dogma on this issue?

 

[NewJersey]

Sounds like my kind of catholic! Good for her!

Wow, I'll have to tell her she's developing quite the fan base.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Thanks Joe, but I'm doing just fine. I believe God put me on this Earth for a reason, and I think he made me gay (yes I was born this way. I decided to be gay the same day you decided to be straight. Think about that). As my mom says, who's a Catholic, "Honey, the family loves you no matter what as does God. The church is full of hypocritcal sinners so don't let any of them bring you down."

Yes, God loves us all no matter what. And He provides rules for our benefit like any loving parent would. We are all born as sinners, but we don't have to stay that way.

We are who we are in life based on the decisions we make. God thru His Word shows us how to choose wisely.

 

[NewJersey]

So, why should children who are not Christian be exposed solely to Christian dogma on this issue?

You're talking on deaf ears.

 

[VanBrujah]

If kids in school have chosen to be gay, I recommend loving counseling to get their lives back on track. You can help people find God's path without name calling or condemnation or stressing "sin."

Better God's perspective in our schools than man's opinion.

The ones who have chosen to be gay are not the problem. They'll be just fine.


It's the kids who are born gay who have a difficult time adjusting, thanks to the nonsense spewed out by people like you and the OP.

 

[NewJersey]

We are all born as sinners, but we don't have to stay that way.

According to what I think God says, I'm not committing a sin with my lifestyle.

It seems we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

 

[JennyMominRI]

. We are all born as sinners.

I can tell you right now that I would never be a part of a religon that believes this,nor do I see the appeal of a religon that beleves this

 

[MrVisible]

You're talking on deaf ears.

I know I'm not going to change the minds of JoeEpcotRocks or discernment. But I just can't let these things go unchallenged, lest the people reading this think that they have a valid point. You do the debate for the audience, not for the opposing team. I have hope that there are people reading this who are still open-minded enough to learn.

 

[cardaway]

ts nice to throw out a baseless accusation and not provide any proof for it.

You mean like posting that gays are liars based on the confusion of "ex-gays".

 

[discernment]

You mean like posting that gays are liars based on the confusion of "ex-gays".

calling someone a liar and saying you believe they are wrong are two different matters regardless of trying to frame it "either I am right" or "I am lying" matter when it comes to accepting one's experience as proof of a theory.

can you provide me with a post where i actually called someone a liar?

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

So, why should children who are not Christian be exposed solely to Christian dogma on this issue?

You act as if public schools are neutral on the issue of homosexuality. Seems they are getting only secular dogma.

 

[Saxsoon]

I can tell you right now that I would never be a part of a religon that believes this,nor do I see the appeal of a religon that beleves this

I don't know much about Judaism, but don't you consider it a sin everytime you break a commandment or something God asked you not to do. I mean, sacrificing a pure animal was a way to get rid of these sins. I am not criticising, just trying to understand.

I did just find this. Just wondering if you agree with this or not.
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=812&letter=S&search=sin

Btw, thanks for the PM on Doctor Who!

 

[NewJersey]

I know I'm not going to change the minds of JoeEpcotRocks or discernment. But I just can't let these things go unchallenged, lest the people reading this think that they have a valid point. You do the debate for the audience, not for the opposing team. I have hope that there are people reading this who are still open-minded enough to learn.

And that's why I'll continue to fight for gay marriage rights.

OT: how are your plans coming along? I remember reading on the G/L thread about your story. It was great!!

 

[MrVisible]

calling someone a liar and saying you believe they are wrong are two different matters regardless of trying to frame it "either I am right" or "I am lying" matter when it comes to accepting one's experience as proof of a theory.

can you provide me with a post where i actually called someone a liar?

It's not proof of a theory. It's my life experience we are debating here. I have experience with this, while you don't.

I told you that I never chose to be gay. I recall the events of my childhood clearly. I am not delusional, nor am I under the influence of drugs or hypnosis.

You believe that I chose to be gay. You are either wrong, or I am lying.

Choose.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I know I'm not going to change the minds of JoeEpcotRocks or discernment. But I just can't let these things go unchallenged, lest the people reading this think that they have a valid point. You do the debate for the audience, not for the opposing team. I have hope that there are people reading this who are still open-minded enough to learn.

God's Word is valid and He makes many good points!

How come "open-minded" so often means ignoring His Word? Learn from the best teacher -- God!

 

[MrVisible]

You act as if public schools are neutral on the issue of homosexuality. Seems they are getting only secular dogma.

Proof?